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Offline poly123Topic starter

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MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« on: September 12, 2016, 07:59:38 pm »

Hello

I want to read this mcu

Actually i have Reneases nec programmer but it has blocked the read option(but have write option) as this mcu is used in commercial purposes

So, i want to ask that is it possible to read this device through reneases programmer or any  other programmer???




 

Offline pelule

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Re: MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 09:01:35 pm »
You can't read the 780851AGC(A) or the flash type 78F0851AGC(A).
The 780851AGC(A) is a mask rom device, the (A) states automotive grade quality.
For mask rom devices there is a secret mode (rom test mode) to read out, but I am not aware of.
If it is a 78F0851AGC(A) not may not read-out, the on-chip flash programmer function only allows erase, program and verify, but no read-out.
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Re: MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2016, 11:10:22 am »
Build a dumper?
A micro-controller, maybe some port expansion and just iterate through all the addresses and read the data byte by byte?
 

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Re: MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2016, 02:30:09 pm »
A dumper would not work - there is no external access to internal RAM or ROM.
To dump the internal data you would need an internal running part of program - not possible.
I have attached the data sheet of the 780851/52 products. This may explain why.
I know, there is a secret wy to serial dump internal ROM (is used during production test) using the X1 and some other pin(s), but I don't know the details unfortunately.
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Re: MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 06:52:13 pm »
Any solution?

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Re: MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2016, 10:47:50 am »
I know, there is a secret wy to serial dump internal ROM (is used during production test) using the X1 and some other pin(s), but I don't know the details unfortunately.
This? http://www.google.com/patents/US6408415

Depending on how much you want to spend, you can try one of the far-East reverse-engineering services or even attempt decapping and reading it yourself --- mask ROM is relatively easy to read just from a very high-resolution die image.
 

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Re: MCU NEC 780851AGC(A)
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 07:08:20 pm »
 


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