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C002-3T chip?
« on: October 18, 2025, 08:20:27 pm »
I'm trying to identify this chip with markings C002-3T

It's part of a cheap water leak alarm.

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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2025, 08:58:51 pm »
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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2025, 12:18:05 am »
Interesting... they probably took one of those "window alarms" and repurposed it as a water leak detector.
 

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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2025, 08:08:25 am »
Didn't find a data sheet though. And I'm not so sure about that "Norgren" thing either.  It's probably more of a Chinese IC.
This shop here has some diagrams under "Description" showing that it's a simple sound IC supposed to drive a speaker/buzzer:
https://www.yoycart.com/Product/567876477067/
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1: Sounds upon power-up
2: Three selectable alarm tones (Police 110, Fire 119, Ambulance 120). Plastic-encapsulated version includes machine gun sound, fully replacing the 9561.
3: External oscillation resistor allows custom tuning (recommended range: 100K-240K). Select the appropriate frequency for your buzzer to achieve desired sound effect
Wiring: OSC pins connect to external oscillation resistor. VCC is positive power supply, VSS is negative power supply. F1 and F2 are sound selection pins. NC is unused pin.
The KD9561/CK9561 it refers to is also such a sound module for toys and the like.

There is a Chinese PDF that's about "Design and realization of calibration device for ground-water-level at Yongan seismic station[J]. Progress in Earthquake Sciences, 2020" that mentions the C002-3T
https://www.gjdzdt.cn/cn/article/pdf/preview/10.3969/j.issn.2096-7780.2020.05.002.pdf
"The alarm system utilizes the C002-3T surface-mount, SOP8 alarm IC, enabling power-on alarm functionality. The oscillator resistor is externally connected and can be adjusted independently."

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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2025, 05:38:47 pm »
Ok thanks for all of the pointers.

The same chip seems to be available on Aliexpress is you search for "110/119/120 Three-tone optional burglar alarm chip IC voice module music integrated circuit C002", e.g.:

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808407664015.html

The interesting thing is that the leak alarm runs on 9V:

https://www.amazon.com/Topvico-Basements-Detector-Overflow-Moisture/dp/B0BYHS79W5/

but the C002 chip runs on 5V or less. I think the sensor operates by simply feeding 9V through the resistance of the water into the C002's Vcc pin.
 

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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2025, 06:16:31 pm »
Yeah, you would expect an LDO for VCC. Is there nothing placed on the other side of the PCB?
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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2025, 06:11:16 pm »
Below is the schematic...

The "water sensor" is simply two electrodes in an interlocking comb pattern which works as a variable resistor as water spans the electrodes.

The circuit starts to turn on when the resistance of the water between the two electrodes is about 40K.

The "?" in the schematic represents an un-populated SOT-23 device - Q1 in the photo. It looks like it's for an NPN which would give the circuit a small amount of current. The "205" resistor is connected to pin 1 of the SOT-23 device which for bi-polar transistors is usually the base.
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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2025, 09:40:52 pm »

The circuit starts to turn on when the resistance of the water between the two electrodes is about 40K.


And me designing a capacitive water sensor for pumping condensed water out from the tank of a dehumidifier... 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
 
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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2025, 12:25:48 am »
Thanks for sharing!

What does your sensor look like?

Also, I recreated the circuit in Falstad here:

(Falstad link)

The water sensor is the small cap at the top left of the page - it can also be controlled by the "Sensor Capacitance" slider on the right side.

The three LEDs are labelled "Water Detected", "Stopped" and "Running".

The timing capacitor is the 100n near the Cpulse label. I've reduced the resistor feeding that cap to 2K to make the simulation run faster.

The graph at the bottom shows the voltage at Cpulse in green and OUT in red.

The Water Detected logic seems to work this way... U1A generates pulses based on the capacitance of the sensor. More water around the electrodes results in higher capacitance and thus a slower frequency. If U1A generates pulses fast enough (i.e. low capacitance) it can keep the 22nF cap of U1B depleted. That will allow the 10nF cap at the input U1C to fill and the output of U1C will remain LOW.

Empirically it seems a sensor capacitance of 2nF or more will trigger the water detected signasl.

Please have a look at the circuit and see if the simulation works the way it's supposed to.
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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2025, 02:41:27 pm »
It works more or less as you described. The "water detect output" is pulsing in the simulation instead of being steady because {R7+RV1, C4} and (R6, C5) timing constants are very close. Instead, R7+RV1 shound be a combination that ranges between 3 and 4k Ohm, for a 250us timing of U1B while U1C would time about 400-500us. The first monostable U1B would give pulses when oscillation freq of U1A is low enough, while the second monostable U1C will output high if there are pulses, or low if there aren't.

The timing cap of the monostable made with U1D+U1E is not the 100nF one, but the 20uF. This monostable is working in "One Shot" more... Whatever happens to the input, it won't retrigger until reaching the intended elapsed time. The problem with this topology and the 40106 is that once U1E goes high and the capacitor has partially charged, then the input of U1D is going to see about 8V. This is dangerous because the "internal protection diodes at such input would be forwarded, and because of the internal design of these gates, a parasistic SCR could turn on and start a " latching Up" that would destroy the IC. The PNP transistor takes care of such situation. When U1D goes low, the emitter of the transistor will clamp the capacitor voltage to about 4.5V. Because the PNP isn't very fast in this case, the 100nF cap acts as a filter so the possible voltage spike never reaches more than 5V. Because the 20uF capacitor now (dis)charges below Vcc, there is a voltage divider at U1E output to prevent that a low level would lead the input of U1D below 0V. I prefer to not use a zener diode at U1D input because the 20uF (multilayer ceramic) is charging very slowly due to the 1/10th duty time pulse generator in order to get about 60s of timing (in that time the mini pump would extract about 2L from the tank).

The circuit has been proven to work nice in breaboard, and now i'm porting it to a protoboard for installing in an enclosure that i've yet to model for 3D printing.

The sensor is hand made. It's just a pair of high endurance enameled wire of 2m length, weaved, interleaved, in a plastic form of 2.6*3cm printed, ironically, in PET filament made of drinking water bottles. The sensor, when dry, has 85pF of capacity, when soaked in distilled water, about 1050pF, when pulled from the water while still humid, It has 650-700pF. Adjusting the trimmer for detecting a rise of 850pF is working fine.
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Re: C002-3T chip?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2025, 01:49:22 pm »
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