Thanks for the replies.
I became interested in using TVS diodes because bidirectional ones can be used with AC or DC relays and because of reading some articles that claimed they were better than simple diodes or MOVs for many applications. And partly just out of curiosity and willingness to try something different.
Here are some links:
https://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=13C3264_AppNote&DocType=CS&DocLang=ENhttps://m.littelfuse.com/~/media/electronics_technical/application_notes/varistors/littelfuse_transient_suppression_devices_and_principles_application_note.pdfhttps://m.littelfuse.com/~/media/electronics/application_notes/littelfuse_tvs_diode_overview_application_note.pdf.pdfRelay specs don't usually include coil inductances. I can measure them on relays easily enough without moving the action. For others, getting inside the case to move the action manually is problematic. So, I got out my DER EE LCR meter and checked a few where the action could be easily moved manually. First up was an A-B contactor, rated 2 HP @240VAC, 120VAC coil, M/N 700-HG47A1. Like many (most?) relays, it has a fixed core. When energized, it attracts a metal bar with contacts on it. Inductance was 829 mH until the metal bar was pushed against the core, then it increased to 836 mH. Next was a Schneider relay, 1 HP @240VAC, 24VAC coil, M/N 782XBXM4L-24A. It also had a fixed core. 249 mH without the metal bar pressed against core; 271 mH with the metal bar against the core. Next was an ACI contactor, 3HP @240VAC, 24VAC coil, M/N CK16.310-024. This one has a moving core. 14.5 mH with the core out of coil; 114 mH with the core in the coil.
Not surprisingly, if a relay doesn't have a moving coil core, coil inductance doesn't really change much when energized. If it has a moving core, there's a huge change in inductance when energized. Interesting that the moving-core ACI has a lot less inductance (with the core in) than the fixe-core Schneider even though the ACI is moving larger contacts (3 HP rated vs 1 HP rated). However, the sealed power consumption of the ACI is quite a bit more than the Schneider (12 VA vs 1.4 VA).
Both the ACI and Schneider relays will be used in the current project, which is a pump controller. Relays will change state fewer than 100 times per day. Power supply for the relays is a transformer, SquareD, M/N 9070TF50D23, primary 120/240 VAC (using 120 VAC arrangement), secondary 24 VAC, 50 VA.
In the case of the ACI contactor, coil has a sealed VA of 12. At 24 VAC, that's 0.5 A. Coil inductance is 0.114 H when activated. So using the formula 0.5*L*I^2, that's 0.5*0.114*0.5^2 = 0.0142 watt*seconds stored energy. So, how does this relate to the power rating of the TVS diode? The max clamping voltage is 77 and wattage is 600, so current limit is 7.8 A. The energy, hopefully, will be expended by heating the coil as opposed to heating the TVS diode or other components in the circuit. So the coil resistance plays a role in dissipating the energy. Coil resistance is VA/A^2 = 24/0.5^2 = 96 ohms. Once power is removed from the coil and voltage is clamped at 77 volts, current will be 77/96 = 0.80 A ... well under 7.8 A. The TVS diode should be quite comfortable.
As long as voltage stays at 77, wattage will be 77*0.80 = 62. At that rate of energy expenditure, the whole lot will be expended in 0.0142/62 = 0.000229 sec or 229 usec ... pretty quick. Will actually be somewhat longer because of coil reactance, and some of the energy will be expended after the voltage drops below 77.
For comparison, the Schneider relay has a sealed current of 1.4/24 = 0.06 A and a stored energy of 0.5*0.271*0.06^2 = 0.000488 watt seconds. Comparing with the ACI contactor, notice how the higher inductance is way more than offset by the lower current. The coil resistance is even greater than that of the ACI (1.4/0.06^2 = 389 ohms), so the wattage expenditure at the clamping voltage will be even less (77^2/389 = 15). Time to dissipate energy will be about 0.000229/15 = 0.000015 sec or 15 usec.
I may be starting to get the hang of this.
Wolfram: I'm trying to conceptualize why the supply voltage and clamping voltages should be added to get the voltage spike max. Wouldn't the supply voltage disappear when the switch controlling the relay is opened? At that point, the only energy source is the magnetic field around the coil.
Mike in California