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LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« on: July 15, 2026, 02:54:12 am »
So I was inspired by MacroReps on youtube and decided to try my hand at making my own VDC standard. I think I got some of the basics of the circuit down but I'm not a full on engineer, or at least I'm only trained to investigate and repair electronics, not design them.

So given my short comings, I was hoping to ask for some nudges in the right direction.

Ohh um, quick sidenote, the UART terminals that are left open will go to a battery balancer. Also I intend to hook up an E-Ink display to the pico for battery, temp and "In Cal" status display.
Uhhh another note, the resistors on those mosfets are actually silicone heater pads that will go on the aluminum case I'm eyeballing to ovenize the main board.
Geeze I have alot of side notes... Also... I plan to snap the power circuits off the main board so they don't get ovenized.
 

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2026, 06:18:01 am »
Welcome to the forum, can you change the background color in the schematic's, it's very hard to see anything.
 
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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2026, 11:10:36 am »
The one thing that now stands out in your schematic is the 45 degree nets  ;D
I found Marco's video's on the LTZ quite amusing as well, nice that they inspired you to start designing circuits for yourself!

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2026, 01:26:31 am »
Welcome to the forum, can you change the background color in the schematic's, it's very hard to see anything.
 

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2026, 12:58:27 am »
Zoomed way in it's not so bad I guess, but I don't like the red on black very much, but whatever.

I'd say post your circuit file as well, some expert on here that knows way more about this stuff than me, should have some useful advice.
 

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2026, 02:21:55 am »
Zoomed way in it's not so bad I guess, but I don't like the red on black very much, but whatever.

I'd say post your circuit file as well, some expert on here that knows way more about this stuff than me, should have some useful advice.

Here are the Kicad files for anyone to review.
 

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2026, 03:14:27 pm »
the buck converter may detoriate the noise of your circuit,

what supply voltage do you plan to use?
do you really need the efficiency gain?

I´think better choice would be use only the LT3045 LDO


then look at the designs like marco reps for the detail in layout and thermal management
 

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2026, 07:24:42 pm »
I quickly looked over your KiCad project. It looks like a nice project that you're planning, but I think an LTZ1000-based precision voltage reference is not the best choice for a beginner project.

The components are very expensive, and especially the precision resistors required are not easy to source. In addition, the thermal design and PCB layout require a great deal of care to achieve the expected performance.

If you want to learn more about this topic, I highly recommend reading the threads in the Metrology section of this forum. Starting with an LM399- or ADR1399-based reference board would probably make it much easier to get into this rather complex subject. There are already many excellent threads here covering both the LM399 and ADR1399.

Also keep in mind that you'll need at least a 6½-digit multimeter to properly evaluate the performance of such a reference. An 8½-digit multimeter would be even better.

Anyway, it's a nice project, so keep it up! There is a lot to learn, and that's part of the fun :-+

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2026, 05:13:09 am »
I went through the KiCad files carefully. Thanks for posting the actual project rather than just screenshots — that makes a proper review possible.

Overall, the LTZ1000A core closely follows the standard datasheet circuit and looks sensible. The LT1013, 120 Ω resistor, 70 kΩ pair, 13.5 kΩ/1 kΩ temperature divider, and external heater transistor are all consistent with the intended topology. The main challenges are likely to be the resistor technology, thermal design, power architecture, and measurement setup rather than the basic LTZ circuit itself.

1. Heaters and fuse. Four 9.6 Ω heaters connected to a fully charged 16.8 V battery could draw about 1.75 A each, or roughly 7 A total, while dissipating close to 118 W. That is not compatible with a 2 A fuse.
I would first estimate the actual heat loss of the enclosure and determine how much heater power is really required. Firmware can limit the number of active zones, but it should not be the only protection against overcurrent.
The heater-current return paths should also be kept completely separate from Reference Low and the precision analog ground.

2. Precision resistors. The output stability will depend heavily on the resistor ratios, especially in the 10 V gain stage and the 1 V divider. Ordinary 100 ppm/°C resistors could easily dominate the drift and largely cancel the benefit of using an LTZ1000A.
Foil resistors or matched low-drift networks would be appropriate for the critical ratios. The LTZ loop resistors should also be selected for low temperature coefficient, long-term drift, voltage coefficient, and power coefficient.

3. Trim range and trimmer influence
The RV1 adjustment range may be adequate only if the 7.138 V value shown in the schematic is the measured output of the actual LTZ device. It will not cover the full device-to-device output spread of an LTZ1000A.
A better approach is to measure the actual LTZ output first, choose fixed resistors for the coarse gain, and leave the trimmer with only a small calibration range.
The same applies to RV2. Its contribution to the 1 V divider is relatively large, so cermet wiper drift will directly affect the output. Most of the ratio should come from fixed precision resistors, with the trimmer used only for fine adjustment.

4. 100 Ω output resistors All three 100 Ω output resistors are outside the feedback loops, so they introduce load-dependent error.
With a 10 MΩ DMM input, the loading error is about 10 ppm. With a 1 MΩ load, it becomes about 100 ppm.
Possible solutions are to sense the voltage after the resistor, provide separate Force and Sense terminals, reduce the resistor value, or explicitly specify that the outputs are intended only for high-impedance loads.

5. Buck converter and LT3045
 The buck-plus-LT3045 architecture can work, but it needs to be checked over the full battery-voltage range.
The LMR33630 is a step-down converter only. As the battery discharges, the buck stage will eventually lose regulation, followed by the LT3045. There may be a range where the circuit is still enabled but the nominal 12.4 V analog rail is no longer regulated.
The battery UVLO threshold, buck output voltage, ripple margin, and LT3045 dropout should therefore be calculated together.

The LT3045 can strongly attenuate conducted ripple, but it cannot remove magnetic coupling from the inductor, switching-node electric fields, shared-ground impedance, or thermal gradients. Making the power section detachable is therefore a good design choice.

6. Checks before layou
t Before starting the PCB, verify every imported or custom symbol against the manufacturer’s datasheet:
* symbol pin number;
* pin function;
* footprint pad number;
* physical package pin.
Then run ERC and resolve all genuine warnings.
The heater MOSFETs should also have gate resistors and gate-to-source pull-downs so that they remain off during Pico startup and reset. Ideally, use MOSFETs with RDS(on) guaranteed at 2.5–3.3 V gate drive.
The Pico is well suited to heater control, temperature logging, battery monitoring, and display functions. Its internal ADC, however, is not suitable for ppm-level characterization of an LTZ1000A. That will require an external precision ADC, a null-comparison method, or a stable 6½- to 8½-digit DMM.

Overall: the project has a solid foundation and looks achievable. Before layout, I would recalculate the heater and power sections, define the precision resistor technology, reduce the influence of the trimmers, and specify the intended output loading. With an LTZ1000A design, the PCB layout, thermal symmetry, and resistor ratios will determine whether the result is merely functional or genuinely stable.
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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2026, 12:34:16 am »
Thank you for the feedback, I've been working on it, haven't gotten around to fixing everything yet.
BUT I do have an update to share!
 

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Re: LTZ1000ACH Precision Voltage Reference Project Review
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2026, 11:07:55 pm »
Alright, here is the newest update I got.

I've started on the pcb!
 


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