Hey everyone!
First of all - sorry for yet *another* thread about diy JBC stations.... I know....
I have been playing around with the idea of designing and building a multi-tool JBC station: If I am going to open this rabbit hole, I might as well get it done once and for all!
I have done some basic prototyping and testing, and feel like I have a handle on most aspects.
There are a however a few points I would like to discuss, I decided to bunch them into one post to keep the number of JBC topics down.
1) Tool Selection
I would love to hear from people who have had the opportunity to use multiple JBC tools, to pick a good combination of hand pieces.
Right now I was planning of having a channel each for:
- T470 high power iron
- T240 standard iron
- T210 precision iron
- AM120 precision tweezers
- NT115 nano handle
- AN115/NP115 nano tweezers
I realize that this is very excessive, but I don't plan on buying all tools right from the get-go. If I am going to go through the trouble of designing this station I might was well keep my options open.
Specifically:
- How different are the precision iron (T210) and tweezers (AM120) from the Nano iron/tweezers? Is having both a benefit? Or do their use cases overlap a lot? The feature creep enthusiast in me wants to support both, but I would like to get a sense of just how over-kill that would be.
- Does anybody have experience with both the NP115 and AN115 nano tweezers? While the AN115 is adjustablem the NP115 looks very ergonomic.
- right now I did not plan for any higher-power tweezers than the AM120s (40w per side). Am I right in thinking that something like the AT420 would not provide that much utility?
2) Channel Isolation
Based on
this thread and
this reverse-engineered schematic, JBC stations power the heater and monitor the thermocouple as such:
Plus, that is how Marco Reps wired his iron, so it *must* be correct (;P).
The upside here is that, as shown above, both C245-style (with seperate TC and heater, also including the C470) and C210 stylecartridges can be connected in the same fashion.
However, by not having the AC supply for the heater referenced to mains earth directly, there are some challenges when trying to create a multiple channel unit:
If 2 C245 cartridges are connected to the same supply, this will parallel their thermocouples, which wouldinterfere with readings:
IF a C210 is thrown into the mix, it would short out a thermocouple through the two heaters:
Both are of course no good.
The easiest solution is of course isolated AC suppplies, but that makes sourcing a transformer a pain. If I do want to have the 6 channels proposed above, I would end up needing the following 8 transformer secondaries:
42V / 250W : T470
24V / 130W : T240
3x 24V / 40W : T210, AM120 Tweezers
3x 9V / 14W : Nano iron + tweezers
That would require a custom transformer (or a few transformers) and seems like a brute-force solution.
Another idea would be to introduce two switches per heater:
However this only works as long as C240-style and C210 style cartridges are not mixed. It would allow heater current to pass through the TC in parrallel.
It is worth noting that powering multiple C210-style cartridges from the same source should not be a problem, as the AC source would simply end up being earth-referenced through the shorted parts of the cartridge:
(but I have not tested this)
Another option would be powering the cartridges in a non-standard way, and earth referncing all sources:
I think this is what the
300w 2 channel station from bavaria is doing, but I feel a bit uneasy about doing this. I would rather stick to the 'official' setup.
Right now I am tending towards the following solution using two transformers.
The first transformer would be a 2x24V transformer and could be used to power both the C245 and C470 using the double-switch technique:
The second transformer would feature a 24V and 9V winding and would be used to power all precision and nano tools.
By not having each channel completely isolated, I can't have combined 245/210 channels like the original JBC station does, but it allows for simpler transformers.
Has anyone else gone through this? Am I way off base? Is there a simpler solution?
Pineapples?
Thank you in advance for your input