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Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« on: February 07, 2022, 05:09:35 pm »
I want to put a small audio amp on the underside of my desk to drive two bookshelf speakers at my computer desk. The speakers will be driven by my computer, which has an optical audio out, which Ive never used. I dont need to use it, if that adds a lot to the price. Anyway, this is the first upgrade to my computers audio in years so I'd like to use the best fairly inexpensive audio amplifier module I can find within a modest price range.

I dont play music super loud but I like a good dynamic range. What are the best ones to look at value wise.  I have 12 volt and 5 volt power supplies I can use. I am probably going to buy a pair of fairly decent bookshelf speakers  so I can leave the ones that are currently on my stereo there.

Does anybody have any thoughts on the choice of amplifier module??

It doesnt have to be pretty as its going to be totally out of sight (screwed to the bottom of a wooden table)
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2022, 06:26:06 pm »
Do a search on AliExpress and you will find a plethora of cheap little amplifiers.  Or search IC manufacturers' catalogs.  There are many and these things are cheap so don't waste a lot of time designing one.
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2022, 07:17:25 pm »
I have and I've seen a lot of recommendations. What 'd like is some peoples real world experience using them and their favorites. That is better than just guessing which one to buy based on price or whatever.  I do like good robust sound but I am not an "audiophool"
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2022, 02:00:49 am »
Look up "class D board", particularly the ones based on TI chips. I would suggest the TPA3255, but that needs at least 20V and ideally 40-50V.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2022, 02:33:27 am »
I have been very happy with a Fosi Audio BT30D 2.1 channel amplifier for my PC.  I have thought about getting their Audio Q4 DAC so I can use the optical output on my PC but I have not had any hum or noise problems with the direct analog connection.

Last year when I upgraded my PC, I accidentally killed the power supply for my ancient powered speakers and subwoofer.  So besides the above amplifier, I picked up a pair of Edifier P12 passive bookshelf speakers and built a Dayton Audio 6-1/2" passive mini subwoofer kit, shown below, which worked out excellently.  (1) I initially tried using the old subwoofer as a passive one, but its performance was just horrible.  The Edifier P12 speakers have really low efficiency which is to be expected for such small enclosures, but the power of the BT30d makes that acceptable.

If I did it again, I might build some kit base-reflex bookshelf speakers from Dayton but convert them to forward firing.

(1) There is a forum discussion where I asked about low frequency AC response of multimeters because the subwoofer required measurements for tuning below that were most of my multimeters worked, but I got it worked out without too much trouble.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2022, 10:16:43 am »
Funny this subject appeared at this time.
I have been considering the Fosi Audio BT20A Bluetooth 5.0 Amplifier myself.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the BT20A?
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2022, 02:43:44 pm »
Does anyone have any thoughts on the BT20A?

"no audible noise when Bluetooth connection is established"

That's actually a great feature. I tested several of the cheaper BT amplifiers - and they all come with an annoying and very loud "connected" signal. Made me absolutely mad, who thought that was a good idea?!?
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2022, 04:50:35 pm »
Does anyone have any thoughts on the BT20A?

"no audible noise when Bluetooth connection is established"

That's actually a great feature. I tested several of the cheaper BT amplifiers - and they all come with an annoying and very loud "connected" signal. Made me absolutely mad, who thought that was a good idea?!?

I tried out the Bluetooth support on my BT30D and found the latency to be completely unacceptable.  There might be a USB to Bluetooth dongle which would allow negotiating a low latency connection, but I was unable to find one short of testing them all.

 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2022, 07:35:04 pm »
Does anyone have any thoughts on the BT20A?

"no audible noise when Bluetooth connection is established"

That's actually a great feature. I tested several of the cheaper BT amplifiers - and they all come with an annoying and very loud "connected" signal. Made me absolutely mad, who thought that was a good idea?!?

Thanks,
I was actually looking for a wired connection from my tv.
These do not sound like something I should get.
I have a pair of Polk Model 9 towers and my Pioneer 1010 receiver from the 80s finally died.


 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2022, 08:50:14 pm »
Check out TPA6021A4.  20 pin DIP package stereo amplifier capable of up to 2W per channel.  Works with a single ended power supply.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2022, 09:24:41 pm »
I was thinking more like 50W per channel.  The Polk speakers don't require a lot of power for floor speakers.  I choose them instead of the Bose 901 which cost twice as much and sounded basically the same.

The Pioneer 1010 was 100W per channel.  I really should take it apart and check it out.
It runs okay for a few minutes and then the safety relays kick out and all the switches need cleaned.
The only time I use it any more is to listen to a music program on the tv.

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2022, 09:36:45 pm »
I've been using a TDA8950 board to drive my Overnight Sensations for quite a few years now. The filtering on the board is definitely insufficient both for power handling and for EMI, but it sounds fine and has served me well. It won't run on 5V or 12V though (needs 25V min). Should give about 80-90W of relatively clean power from a 70V supply. I can't remember what supply voltage I'm running it from, I think it might be a +/-22V toroid, but it has more than enough oomph for these speakers.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2022, 09:53:57 pm »
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2022, 10:09:35 pm »
Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread.

Thanks for the suggestions.  But...
I'm not looking for modules or a DIY project.
I consider the Fosi Audio BT20A a minimum solution. 
Ideally, I would like to have my Pioneer receiver repaired.

Note:  The Polk 9 speakers are NOT bookshelf speakers.
       They are large floor standing speakers.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2022, 10:50:26 pm »
I want to put a small audio amp on the underside of my desk to drive two bookshelf speakers at my computer desk [...]

I get good results with these cheap'n'cheerful Class D amps for computer use.   Don't look for massive power output, but they sound decent enough.

https://www.amazon.com/Lepy-LP-2020A-Class-D-Digital-Amplifier/dp/B01FZKA28Y
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2022, 12:38:33 am »
the specifications on all the amplifier IC modules are lame IMO.

THD level under the commonly accepted mass manufacture audio systems specifications go against the party theoretic, worker.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2022, 12:07:12 am »
Try a module based on the TPA3126d2 (or its older version the TPA3116), the slightly less powerful TPA3128 (or older TP3118), and or another in the TPA31xx series (there are numerous models, with the ‘26, ‘28, and ‘56 being the most powerful IIRC).
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2022, 12:58:43 am »
Try a module based on the TPA3126d2 (or its older version the TPA3116), the slightly less powerful TPA3128 (or older TP3118), and or another in the TPA31xx series (there are numerous models, with the ‘26, ‘28, and ‘56 being the most powerful IIRC).
The TPA3255 is currently the best. Considering a board with it is available for as little as $30, there's not too much reason to go for something lower.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2022, 01:20:36 am »
How about the sta540, https://www.st.com/en/audio-ics/sta540.html .There cheap,very few additional parts needed , they sound perfectly acceptable  to my ears and  go loud enough to let my    neighbors listen in
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2022, 09:20:53 am »
Try a module based on the TPA3126d2 (or its older version the TPA3116), the slightly less powerful TPA3128 (or older TP3118), and or another in the TPA31xx series (there are numerous models, with the ‘26, ‘28, and ‘56 being the most powerful IIRC).
The TPA3255 is currently the best. Considering a board with it is available for as little as $30, there's not too much reason to go for something lower.
The TPA3255 is far more powerful than the OP asked for, and requires a minimum supply voltage higher than what the OP said they have available. The TPA31xx series works within the OP’s requirements.
 
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2022, 01:45:50 pm »
The TPA3255 is far more powerful than the OP asked for, and requires a minimum supply voltage higher than what the OP said they have available. The TPA31xx series works within the OP’s requirements.
50W on 8 ohms is not going to happen from a 12V supply. Need at least 30V for that, which the TPA3255 would be happy to operate from.
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2022, 09:01:59 am »
The TPA3255 is far more powerful than the OP asked for, and requires a minimum supply voltage higher than what the OP said they have available. The TPA31xx series works within the OP’s requirements.
50W on 8 ohms is not going to happen from a 12V supply. Need at least 30V for that, which the TPA3255 would be happy to operate from.
The OP didn’t specify any power rating whatsoever.
 
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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2022, 04:53:09 pm »
the specifications on all the amplifier IC modules are lame IMO.

THD level under the commonly accepted mass manufacture audio systems specifications go against the party theoretic, worker.

Speakers generate several times more distortion than even a consumer grade audio amplifier, so characteristics other than distortion are more important as long as the distortion is low enough.

Like the cobbler's children go without shoes, I am the one using a consumer grade audio amplifier.

Thanks for the suggestions.  But...
I'm not looking for modules or a DIY project.
I consider the Fosi Audio BT20A a minimum solution. 
Ideally, I would like to have my Pioneer receiver repaired.

Like I said, I am very happy with the Fosi Audio BT30D, which as far as I can tell is a BT20A plus the controls and third channel for a subwoofer.  The Bluetooth functionality seems pretty useless to me but I think that is more of a problem on the source side; I am sure some people like it for connecting to their phone.

The power supply is external which is annoying but I have found it acceptable, and since that is the part most likely to wear out, that makes it easy to replace.
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2022, 05:16:00 pm »
The TPA3255 is far more powerful than the OP asked for, and requires a minimum supply voltage higher than what the OP said they have available. The TPA31xx series works within the OP’s requirements.
50W on 8 ohms is not going to happen from a 12V supply. Need at least 30V for that, which the TPA3255 would be happy to operate from.

Yep. I suppose we're talking 50W RMS. (As we know, vendors of amplifiers tend to show power figures that mean squat... just saying.)
If so, 50W RMS for a "desk" amplifier? That'd be crazy anyway. You certainly don't need that. 10W RMS or below would already be enough to make your ears bleed in loudspeakers 1m away or so.
 

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Re: Suggestions for low/medium power audio amplifier ICS?
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2022, 05:20:51 pm »
LM3886 or LM4766 if you want a good quality class AB chip amp.
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