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WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« on: November 01, 2016, 02:15:26 am »
Found in with a pile of home made magnetics.
Seems to have some HV capability.
Maybe an old surge suppressor?
HV transformer for sensing?
Early flux capacitor?
the thing in the middle is a fine wire spring with one end broken.

At one end is a glass tube with a steel ball or bearing. It rotates but nothing seems to rotate with it.
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Re: WTF is this?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2016, 02:18:02 am »
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2016, 02:20:53 am »
Looks like a really old magnetron.
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Re: WTF is this?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 02:28:39 am »
That needs to be polished and stuck in the mantelpiece for viewing pleasure.
 

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Re: WTF is this?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 02:29:11 am »
The ball on a stick is a coupling to the working waveguide/cavity, and there should be some matching magnets for it to function. Its certainly a magnetron, the "wire spring" is the thermionic element.
 
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Re: WTF is this?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 02:44:18 am »
How awesome!  :-+  dont worry It will be looked after.
It's not mine but I'm quite pleased I found it. It was just on a shelf of really rubbish hand wound magnetics.
I am very interested in WWII flight and early electronics but have never been able to wrap my head around much microwave stuff.

 

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Re: WTF is this?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2016, 02:48:11 am »
The ball on a stick is a coupling to the working waveguide/cavity, and there should be some matching magnets for it to function. Its certainly a magnetron, the "wire spring" is the thermionic element.
Any photos of them?
I threw two garbage bins full of what I considered junk into a nearly full skip. It hasn't been picked up yet.
I think? I would have noticed them.


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Re: WTF is this?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2016, 03:04:18 am »
Any idea how to date this thing or find out what type of radar it would be used in?
It looks like
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0939.htm which is from the 1940s

but the pdf says 1961.
http://www.r-type.org/static/pdflogo.gif
 

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Re: WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2016, 03:49:03 am »
Probably unrelated but found nearby.

Something inside rattles a bit when moved.
 

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Re: WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2016, 04:39:05 am »
Looks like ugly peltier liquid cooled heat-exchanger block, if those wires are for TEC :)
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Re: WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2016, 04:59:56 am »
From what I can gather it was probably used in British Navy Type 277 radar at 2.997 GHz.

If this is the case then sometime after 1943.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_British_naval_radar#Type_277

also used by the RAF

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[3.2] BRITISH CENTIMETRIC RADAR

* The first operational British 10 cm (3 GHz) or "S-band" set was the shipboard "Type 271", which was rushed into production within months, with sea trials performed on a production set in March 1941. The Type 271 was a crude system, with manual direction and separate transmit and receive antennas, each in the form of a wide short open-faced box with a parabolic back and stacked on top of each other. The antenna configuration was nicknamed "Cheese", apparently because the antennas looked like they had been cut from the side of a round of cheese.

The Type 271 led to a long series of naval and ground-based radars, worth listing here though it is getting ahead of the story. The next step was the "Type 273" for major warships, with sea trials conducted in August 1941. The Type 273 used side-by-side parabolic dishes, each 90 centimeters (a yard) in diameter, and it was the first radar to be mounted on a gyrostabilized platform, like a naval gun, to keep it on target. Later versions had a PPI display.

A "CD Mark IV" version of the Type 271, sometimes just called the "Type 271 CD", was designed for coastal defense, featuring antennas with an aperture of 2 meters (6 feet 7 inches). Since the narrow microwave beam was effective at very low angles, the CD Mark IV, and its "Mark V" and "Mark VI" successors, were sometimes referred to as "Chain Home Extra Low (CHEL)". The Army CD Mark VI was also used by the RAF, being designated the "AMES Type 52", going through various refinements that were designated "AMES Type 53" through "AMES Type 56".

The Royal Navy continued to improve on the Type 271/273 design to come up with the "Type 277" 10 cm (3 GHz) radar, which was also used by the RAF in a mobile installation as the "AMES Type 14". The initial marks of the AMES Type 14 used dual cheese-style antennas, mounted horizontally, though late marks had a lighter and more effective antenna.

The Royal Navy Type 277 was used as the basis of an RAF "centimetric heightfinder (CMH)" radar, the "AMES Type 13", which preceded the AMES Type 14 into service. The CMH used Type 277 electronics, coupled to a stacked dual cheese-style antenna that was mounted vertically, creating a horizontally flattened beam that was ideal for determining heights of intruders. The AMES Type 13's antenna rocked back and forth or "nodded" vertically, from one degree down to 20 degrees up, to scan for targets. Later marks of the Type 13 discarded the heavy cheese antenna for a lighter and more effective mesh-style antenna.

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Re: WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2016, 05:37:15 am »
The portable AA twigged a memory.
 

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Re: WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2016, 05:41:13 am »
Sorry about the quality. I think the Cavity Magnetron is from this device.

Predictor A.A. No. 3 Mk II

It has been disassembled and left, unfortunately. I have no idea how to put together so many cogs.

http://www.ww2f.com/truxmodels.co.uk/page40.html

as it mentions a
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Radar AA No3 MkII

Couldn't find any magnets though.

Sorry about image quality as it is dark in there.
 

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Re: WTF is this? Solved Cavity Magnetron
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2016, 05:13:04 am »
That's beautiful.
Seems quite old. During WW2 it was one of the most closely guarded secrets in the world, up there with machine cryptology and the atomic bomb.
 


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