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Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« on: September 30, 2025, 06:16:14 pm »
I'm looking to replace the batteries in my UPS, as one of them has gone bad. But I don't know which parameters to compare when looking at alternatives. The manufacturer says to replace with only their own type of battery, but oddly enough a different type of battery was installed in the UPS.

I have now found a third type of battery that I would like to install, mostly because they are cheaper - but also because they claim a longer shelf life. What parameters should I compare to determine if the batteries are compatible - apart from voltage and ampere-hours, ofcourse?

Original manufacturer battery: https://files.plytix.com/api/v1.1/file/public_files/pim/assets/18/55/4e/5e/5e4e551814d5697e060409a6/texts/41/ca/5f/62/625fca41f35177c342dddc9b/PowerWalker%20PWB12-9.pdf
Battery mounted in UPS: https://www.baterije.org/specifikacijebaterija/MS9-12.pdf
Possible third battery option: https://dealers.lakuda.de/media/blfa_file/JAPCELL_JCL12-9.pdf

I have a gut feeling that all 12V lead-acid batteries are essentially compatible, but each battery lists something slightly different for "float" and "cycle" use. Are those parameters just recommendations for voltage range in the different use cases, or whats going on?
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2025, 09:56:44 pm »
Depending on reliability of power in your area, the battery will spend practically all, if not all, its time floating for the next 3-5 years. Given the type of battery you are discussing your UPS is not a large commercial one so there is little point chasing cycle or depth of discharge performance. Buy something not terrible at reasonable cost. The manufacturer's preferred product will be nothing special.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2025, 07:19:46 pm »
Thanks for your reply. I take the "just buy something not terrible" to mean that there isn't any real compatibility issues with the batteries?
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2025, 11:17:17 pm »
Yes, all of those are designed for UPS use so will be fine.

If you want it to last longer you can also consider replacing with a Lifepo4 battery.
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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2025, 11:21:11 pm »
None of which I am aware. My UPS and NBN box have had a variety of battery brands used as replacements with little regard for what was in there before.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2025, 11:50:37 pm »
That 12 volt 9 amp-hour battery is a standard format with many sources.  I would not worry about an exact match for something which was probably not specified that closely.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2025, 05:24:48 am »
the discharge current on a SLA is alot higher than a LifePo4 battery, about x10 times.

I would not go near a  Lifepo4 for a UPS battery replacement when it specified SLA's or wet cells

20Ah Lifepo4 battery is in the 20Amps
20Ah SLA or lead acid is in 100A's range.
 
same with smaller units of LifePo4 9Ah is about 10Amp tops. -> 120W about max ideal conditions
so to get the same discharge rate you going to need at least a 100Ah LifePo4 which defeats the point of a small 9Ah SLA

it one of reasons UPS's have gone to higher battery voltage requirements, not using large transformers as well.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2025, 10:35:52 pm »
Thanks for your inputs!
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2025, 04:08:46 am »
I used to design UPS systems, and the directions that the guy gave you above are really good comments.

The small UPS systems are designed with very little margin, so don't use them anywhere near their rated power. The batteries definitely will have no margin, so you only get rated power and runtime on a brand new system / batteries. I generally don't use a UPS above 70% of rated.

Also, pay attention to the Faston tab type. There are 2 flavors of those (1/4 inch and some smaller size, maybe 3//16 inch). Most UPS systems will use the 1/4 inch size. The smaller Faston tab batteries are used in lower discharge applications like alarms systems.

Yes, I sure wish the US was using metric ...
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2025, 08:51:14 pm »
Thanks for your input, chasnc!

The blade/spade connectors(for some never heard the FASTON tab name before) are 6.3mm, so I guess that equates to 1/4 inch.

One question that I was kinda puzzled about is the behavior of the UPS as I discovered the issue.. The self-test feature, which run automatically at certain intervals, started giving low-voltage errors and the fan was running all the time. The side of the UPS was pretty hot, so I of course disconnected everything and took it apart, which revealed one of the batteries being quite hot. Testing each battery(there are a total of four) with an electronic load revealed that the same battery dropped to a very low voltage(5-ish volt) upon basically any kind of load. So i guess the cells were collapsed or something. Anyway, my question is  regarding the safety of charging a collapsed cell. Isn't that a fire risk, if the battery just heats up?
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2025, 09:50:11 pm »
unfortunately 9 amp hour form factor lifepo4 batteries are still more expensive than lead acid.

and there are still many UPS that overheat and fail when used with a larger capacity battery, for two reasons, one being they have aluminum blocks without a fan for heatsinks, and two, there is no current limit on the battery charger, so it "works" when the battery recovers to 12volts, but fails when a larger battery holds the voltage down below 11 volts for some time, which larger lead acid and larger lifepo batteries are capable of doing. 

so there are a couple solutions: set up the software correctly to turn off the computer before the battery is depleted.
or add a fan to the heatsinks.. or use a BMS to turn off the battery when the battery is only partially depleted.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2025, 10:27:40 pm »
@petemate

Thank you for the interest. The name Faston is very old, with newer names being used such as "quick connect" or the stolen name "spade lug" and similar names. Faston is a brand name if I remember right, just like a tissue in the US is called "Kleenex", and to vacuum in the UK is to "Hoover".

Lead acid batteries have similar failure modes like other battery types including build up of dendrites internally. Over time, the many discharge and charge cycles will migrate the plate lead out to the plate surface and build the dendrites toward the opposite plate, until it breaches the separator which causes a fast discharge path. If you try to continue to charge with the low resistance dendrites, the bad cell will get very hot, as well as the other cells that are now getting over-charged (the bad cell usually gets a much smaller voltage on it with dendrites). There is usually lots of hydrogen created at this point too, so the whatever valve is being used will vent the gas - and makes things dangerous as well. The small gel cell batteries are also called VRLA for Value Regulated Lead Acid - the safety vent allowed the batteries to be used in many more applications.

If the UPS design is a good design, the charging current won't be allowed to get so high that it causes a thermal event - but caveat emptor: I have seen some that definitely provided too much current. A good mature design will even detect the battery voltage is too low or is even decreasing, and shut down the charging and cause an alarm. The designs that we had would do a monthly battery load test by dropping the load on the inverter on purpose just briefly and measure how low the battery voltage dips, paying attention to the level of the load.

Having said that, I have had a substantial part of my consulting business looking over UPS fires. The industry has convinced some of the safety agencies (UL, CE, etc.) to only require a breaker or fuse on the positive terminal, with the idea that the only other connection is the negative terminal which goes to ground. But batteries leak, and many UPS systems have a metal grounded chassis. So if you have an electrolyte leak mid string (say around the 6V cell midpoint), you will have a 6V short circuit around the bottom cells to the grounded negative terminal. As with other slow cooking failures, this battery baking is a slothful thing to do and is quite preventable. The larger UPS systems are required in nearly all countries to have a breaker path on both battery terminals, especially as you get into the 50KW to 1MW+ size systems.

Another thing that makes the smaller lead acid based UPS less dangerous is that the lead dendrites have a rather high resistance, due to the fact that it is lead. The idea is to keep the battery temperature below ~ 70 deg C or so (which is very hot to the touch). If the battery is a UL rated battery, then the plastic enclosure is coordinated to have a melting temperature above 105 deg C. and purposely has a very low flammability rating (94V0). Lithium metal, on the other hand has fairly low resistance comparatively and can get into trouble much easier. For safe lithium battery systems, the BMS implementation and/or built-in thermal trip is very important. This is where solar systems can get into trouble as well.

About 20 years ago, there were many in the industry who had good ideas on making true smart battery systems, but the marketing guys were rightfully not interested. This is because most end users are not interested in safety (or security, on IoT smart devices). People will go online an buy a cellphone charger without paying any attention that is does not have a UL/ETL/CE mark. They are just happy that they found one for 1/3 the price of the regular ones.
 
 
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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2025, 10:39:48 pm »
and there are still many UPS that overheat and fail when used with a larger capacity battery, for two reasons, one being they have aluminum blocks without a fan for heatsinks, and two, there is no current limit on the battery charger, so it "works" when the battery recovers to 12volts, but fails when a larger battery holds the voltage down below 11 volts for some time, which larger lead acid and larger lifepo batteries are capable of doing.

My experience is that there are many UPSes that overheat and fail when used with the original battery.  Cyberpower comes to mind, but APC also.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2025, 10:52:51 pm »
the discharge current on a SLA is alot higher than a LifePo4 battery, about x10 times.

I would not go near a  Lifepo4 for a UPS battery replacement when it specified SLA's or wet cells

20Ah Lifepo4 battery is in the 20Amps
20Ah SLA or lead acid is in 100A's range.
 
same with smaller units of LifePo4 9Ah is about 10Amp tops. -> 120W about max ideal conditions
so to get the same discharge rate you going to need at least a 100Ah LifePo4 which defeats the point of a small 9Ah SLA

it one of reasons UPS's have gone to higher battery voltage requirements, not using large transformers as well.

This doesn't fit with my experience of LifePo4 replacement batteries for motorcycles, they seem to be able to deliver considerable cranking current (better than the SLA they replace) even though they have lower capacity and are significantly lighter.  Of course not all cells are equal, and just like regular lithium cobalt cells there are likely some better optimised for high discharge.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2025, 11:57:35 pm »
This doesn't fit with my experience of LifePo4 replacement batteries for motorcycles, they seem to be able to deliver considerable cranking current (better than the SLA they replace) even though they have lower capacity and are significantly lighter.  Of course not all cells are equal, and just like regular lithium cobalt cells there are likely some better optimised for high discharge.

I have considered LiFePO4 replacements for starter batteries, but they either say that they are not suitable for starter applications, or the brand appears questionable.
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2025, 02:33:07 pm »
@petemate

Thank you for the interest. The name Faston is very old, with newer names being used such as "quick connect" or the stolen name "spade lug" and similar names. Faston is a brand name if I remember right, just like a tissue in the US is called "Kleenex", and to vacuum in the UK is to "Hoover".

Lead acid batteries have similar failure modes like other battery types including build up of dendrites internally. Over time, the many discharge and charge cycles will migrate the plate lead out to the plate surface and build the dendrites toward the opposite plate, until it breaches the separator which causes a fast discharge path. If you try to continue to charge with the low resistance dendrites, the bad cell will get very hot, as well as the other cells that are now getting over-charged (the bad cell usually gets a much smaller voltage on it with dendrites). There is usually lots of hydrogen created at this point too, so the whatever valve is being used will vent the gas - and makes things dangerous as well. The small gel cell batteries are also called VRLA for Value Regulated Lead Acid - the safety vent allowed the batteries to be used in many more applications.

If the UPS design is a good design, the charging current won't be allowed to get so high that it causes a thermal event - but caveat emptor: I have seen some that definitely provided too much current. A good mature design will even detect the battery voltage is too low or is even decreasing, and shut down the charging and cause an alarm. The designs that we had would do a monthly battery load test by dropping the load on the inverter on purpose just briefly and measure how low the battery voltage dips, paying attention to the level of the load.

Having said that, I have had a substantial part of my consulting business looking over UPS fires. The industry has convinced some of the safety agencies (UL, CE, etc.) to only require a breaker or fuse on the positive terminal, with the idea that the only other connection is the negative terminal which goes to ground. But batteries leak, and many UPS systems have a metal grounded chassis. So if you have an electrolyte leak mid string (say around the 6V cell midpoint), you will have a 6V short circuit around the bottom cells to the grounded negative terminal. As with other slow cooking failures, this battery baking is a slothful thing to do and is quite preventable. The larger UPS systems are required in nearly all countries to have a breaker path on both battery terminals, especially as you get into the 50KW to 1MW+ size systems.

Another thing that makes the smaller lead acid based UPS less dangerous is that the lead dendrites have a rather high resistance, due to the fact that it is lead. The idea is to keep the battery temperature below ~ 70 deg C or so (which is very hot to the touch). If the battery is a UL rated battery, then the plastic enclosure is coordinated to have a melting temperature above 105 deg C. and purposely has a very low flammability rating (94V0). Lithium metal, on the other hand has fairly low resistance comparatively and can get into trouble much easier. For safe lithium battery systems, the BMS implementation and/or built-in thermal trip is very important. This is where solar systems can get into trouble as well.

About 20 years ago, there were many in the industry who had good ideas on making true smart battery systems, but the marketing guys were rightfully not interested. This is because most end users are not interested in safety (or security, on IoT smart devices). People will go online an buy a cellphone charger without paying any attention that is does not have a UL/ETL/CE mark. They are just happy that they found one for 1/3 the price of the regular ones.

Thank you very much for your detailed reply!

The "original" batteries are indeed UL rated and without knowing for sure, I'd say that the failing battery did around 60-70degC(without having measured it).

I'm a bit concerned about running this UPS in my home if there is another more serious "event". Should I be concerned about this? The UPS in question is a PowerWalker VI 3000 CI(https://powerwalker.com/product/10121105/). Do you have any experience with the quality of this particular brand?
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2025, 11:20:13 pm »
I am familiar with the Powerwalker brand but not that model. It is unfortunate for teh UPS market, but nearly every brand has had issues at some point or another. The best advice is to not use them at full power rating (don't go above 70% for sure), and to regularly change the batteries every 3-5 years depending upon how often your power glitches. Don't buy the cheap off brand units either. If you get a serious sustained blackout, turn them off when you can. On the battery shelf life, if they ever go all the way down while you are gone consider changing them sooner rather than later.

I modified a sine wave UPS a few years ago and paired it with a 100AH deep discharge battery and an external charger because the internal charger is too weak for such a large battery. If the power is off for more than ~10 hours, there is a circuit that I connected to the on/off switch circuit to toggle it off and save the battery. I think they are missing a market opportunity by not adding that to the software configuration. Nearly all UPS systems can be configured through the USB port.
 
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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2025, 04:18:33 pm »
I am familiar with the Powerwalker brand but not that model. It is unfortunate for teh UPS market, but nearly every brand has had issues at some point or another. The best advice is to not use them at full power rating (don't go above 70% for sure), and to regularly change the batteries every 3-5 years depending upon how often your power glitches. Don't buy the cheap off brand units either. If you get a serious sustained blackout, turn them off when you can. On the battery shelf life, if they ever go all the way down while you are gone consider changing them sooner rather than later.

I modified a sine wave UPS a few years ago and paired it with a 100AH deep discharge battery and an external charger because the internal charger is too weak for such a large battery. If the power is off for more than ~10 hours, there is a circuit that I connected to the on/off switch circuit to toggle it off and save the battery. I think they are missing a market opportunity by not adding that to the software configuration. Nearly all UPS systems can be configured through the USB port.

Thanks again for your input! I won't be running it at anywhere near full load, so I'll probably be safe on that. What about battery quality? I'm looking at the Japcell JCL12-9 and it is quite a bit cheaper than name-brand batteries(eg duracell, varta, etc).
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2025, 06:48:59 pm »
Due to the abuse that a UPS places on these batteries, I tend to stick to quality name brands. I am not familiar with Japcell. Most of my UPS systems have batteries from Panasonic, Powersonic, and Yuasa. For less abusive uses such as my alarm system, I will use other batteries but put the battery in a plastic tub/shell so if it leaks electrolyte it does not cause a lower battery ground fault like I discussed previously. My alarm has a Powersonic battery that is from 2016 and it still works very well.

When I purchase a battery, I write on it when and where I purchased it as well as record it in a spreadsheet so I know when one is getting rather old. Makes it easier for preventative maintenance. I see it as keeping down the chances for a fire. That same spreadsheet has the smoke detector / carbon monoxide detector batteries also in it. Those tend to wait until 3AM before a busy business flight to go bad.

I learned a great bit about the quality issues on lead acid batteries, some from my college days and some from experiences over my career. I was impressed with quality topics that the manufacturers follow, such as impurities in the lead as well as the overall quality of the electrolyte (concentration, using de-ionized water, etc.). Many batteries made in Asia are filled using whatever local tap water or river water is there, so the chemicals in the water like chlorine, soda ash, and calcium (from limestone) destroys the sulfuric acid quality and makes it much easier to self discharge. The same for the lead plates - metal impurities will cause discharge centers on the plate surfaces and cause the battery to fail earlier in the usable life.

The case is also a place where the cheaper brands will skimp, with impurities that leaches out of the plastic case as well as plastic debris that clogs up the plates over time. Even volumetric differences between the cells can stack up to cause significant cell AH differences and cause a battery to fail sooner. If there is a cell only capable of 8AH inside of a battery that advertises a 10AH capacity, that 8AM cell will go through deep discharges often in heavy use applications (UPS) and prematurely age that cell.

So a lot of writing to say that I suggest sticking with the top brands for UPS systems.
 
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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2025, 08:30:38 pm »
Thanks again, chasnc :) I appreciate your input!
 

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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2025, 12:20:56 am »
Already mostly covered but if you can economically buy "high discharge" lead-acid battery then do so - they will be optimised for the heavy discharge rate of UPS use. 

I don't recommend LiFePO4.  I tried one in my basic UPS and the UPS would trip the LiFePO4's BMS by pulling insane inrush current (it depended on exactly which part of the mains waveform the switchover happened at).  Some re-engineering was required (a hefty capacitor that charged via resistor and discharged via diode) in order to avoid tripping the BMS with the UPS's inrush.  Not worth the hassle really, but I was in a stubborn mood >:D.  Depending on the particular UPS and particular LiFePO4 it may or may not be a problem, but you have to do a fair bit of testing to be sure it'll switch over reliably.
 
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Re: Compatibility of 12V lead acid batteries for UPS
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2025, 01:39:24 am »
I completely agree.
 


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