Is this KNIPEX 97 33 02 Crimp Tool the best out there?

[bsodmike]

Hi all,

Any thoughts on this crimp tool by Knipex, it has dies that can be changed.
https://export.farnell.com/knipex/97-33-02/multicrimp-pliers-charger-w-5/dp/1560900

I'm looking for an extremely high quality crimp tool that can handle automotive crimp bits (Ring, spade, splice etc.) and Dupont crimp terminals for PCB type housing/pin-outs.

This would cost me $545 to import through my Farnell agent, thoughts?

Thanks, M.

[jfiresto]

I do not know if it is the best, but Knipex and their sister firm Rennsteig make an even nicer crimp system pliers which Tyco/AMP relabels and sells as one of their manual crimpers. I was talking to an AMP  mechanical engineers about a compatible die for one of their contacts, and I could almost hear him swoon when he talked about the tool. The only criticism I have of it is that the dies for it can be rather expensive.

[wraper]

This tool costs about $200. Even without any agents it's significantly overpriced at farnell. You cannot crimp dupont with this, this tool is for larger connectors.

[wraper]

You could order it here https://www.amazon.de/-/en/97-33-02-MultiCrimp%C2%AE-multi-component/dp/B00203M5YO/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=MultiCrimp&qid=1602796760&sr=8-3 and use some shipping forwarder. Or order at some other place which ships to Sri Lanka.

[syau]

Hi all,

Any thoughts on this crimp tool by Knipex, it has dies that can be changed.
https://export.farnell.com/knipex/97-33-02/multicrimp-pliers-charger-w-5/dp/1560900

I'm looking for an extremely high quality crimp tool that can handle automotive crimp bits (Ring, spade, splice etc.) and Dupont crimp terminals for PCB type housing/pin-outs.

This would cost me $545 to import through my Farnell agent, thoughts?

Thanks, M.

I am using Pressmaster

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/crimp-tools/4929595/

which has large variety of dies to choose from. Excellent build quality.

[tooki]

Hi all,

Any thoughts on this crimp tool by Knipex, it has dies that can be changed.
https://export.farnell.com/knipex/97-33-02/multicrimp-pliers-charger-w-5/dp/1560900

I'm looking for an extremely high quality crimp tool that can handle automotive crimp bits (Ring, spade, splice etc.) and Dupont crimp terminals for PCB type housing/pin-outs.

Knipex doesn’t have any crimping tool for DuPont pins. You might be able to do it (imperfectly) with the D-sub die, but for the price of that die, you’d do far, far better to get a cheap tool that’s actually designed for those pins. Note that of the hundreds of cheap crimp tools for sale on eBay, Aliexpress, Amazon, etc that are advertised for DuPont pins, literally only two are actually correct. See my big thread on this topic here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/affordable-crimp-tools-for-small-connectors-(dupont-etc-)/

[jfiresto]

This tool costs about $200. Even without any agents it's significantly overpriced at farnell. You cannot crimp dupont with this, this tool is for larger connectors.

It will crimp all sizes of contacts, and if you find one it does not and have the money, I bet Knipex will make a custom die for you. TE calls it the Ergocrimp tool accepting "Standard Die Envelope" (SDE) dies. Here is a die for an automotive MQS contact accepting 0.08–0.22mm^2 wires. Is that small enough for you? The big challenge with this tool is probably the cost of the interchangeable dies after connector maker's mark up. The other day, I thought I saw this MQS die for around 200 euros, or it might have been the die for the next larger range of wire sizes.

[tooki]

MQS contacts have essentially the same crimp profile as DuPont contacts, so if they make an MQS die, then it’d almost certainly work well.

What wouldn’t make any sense is to have a custom die made. For that kind of money, you’d just buy a first-party tool made for those contacts (or that is compatible), like the TE AMPMODU MOD IV crimper I have: it’s not made for DuPont pins, but it works perfectly for them. (I’ve used it for MQS contacts, and it did those admirably, too.)

[bsodmike]

Hi again,

Thanks for all the advice and comments.  Just to say I found this:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-000-3/crimp-tool-2c-grip-burnish-0-8/dp/2517588?st=2517588

Which isn't too expensive and has a nice range of dies. I've gone for this die:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-060-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518362?ost=2518362

If you click on "624 Series" in the link above, you can see the rest of the dies.  Seems this die is compatible with Dupont/D-sub:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-674-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518382?ost=624+674+3

For crimping Dupont connectors, I bought this off Farnell a while back: Multicomp PRO HT-225D
https://export.farnell.com/multicomp/ht-225d/crimp-tool-ratchet-30-18awg/dp/1624832?ost=1624832

[jfiresto]

MQS contacts have essentially the same crimp profile as DuPont contacts, so if they make an MQS die, then it’d almost certainly work well.

What wouldn’t make any sense is to have a custom die made. For that kind of money, you’d just buy a first-party tool made for those contacts (or that is compatible), like the TE AMPMODU MOD IV crimper I have: it’s not made for DuPont pins, but it works perfectly for them. (I’ve used it for MQS contacts, and it did those admirably, too.)

Oh, that is good to know. I have a MOD IV manual crimper that we bought for a project about twenty years ago.

[wraper]

Hi again,

Thanks for all the advice and comments.  Just to say I found this:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-000-3/crimp-tool-2c-grip-burnish-0-8/dp/2517588?st=2517588

Way more expensive than knipex multicrimp when you consider cost of the dies.

If you click on "624 Series" in the link above, you can see the rest of the dies.  Seems this die is compatible with Dupont/D-sub:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-674-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518382?ost=624+674+3

No it isn't.

[wraper]

It will crimp all sizes of contacts

I have this tool and it will not.

and if you find one it does not and have the money, I bet Knipex will make a custom die for you.

If you pay them $100k so they even bother? It's easier to order at some shop which specializes on making custom tools. Not that it's financially viable anyway.

TE calls it the Ergocrimp tool accepting "Standard Die Envelope" (SDE) dies. Here is a die for an automotive MQS contact accepting 0.08–0.22mm^2 wires. Is that small enough for you? The big challenge with this tool is probably the cost of the interchangeable dies after connector maker's mark up. The other day, I thought I saw this MQS die for around 200 euros, or it might have been the die for the next larger range of wire sizes.

It has nothing to do with TE nor it uses compatible dies.

[jfiresto]

TE calls it the Ergocrimp tool accepting "Standard Die Envelope" (SDE) dies. Here is a die for an automotive MQS contact accepting 0.08–0.22mm^2 wires. Is that small enough for you? The big challenge with this tool is probably the cost of the interchangeable dies after connector maker's mark up. The other day, I thought I saw this MQS die for around 200 euros, or it might have been the die for the next larger range of wire sizes.

It has nothing to do with TE nor it uses compatible dies.

It and do are carrying a lot of water there.

Is this (283K pdf) not equivalent to your Knipex crimper? If it is not, how is it different?

[bsodmike]

If you click on "624 Series" in the link above, you can see the rest of the dies.  Seems this die is compatible with Dupont/D-sub:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-674-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518382?ost=624+674+3

No it isn't.

Why do you say that, check the datasheet for that die, the crimped connector looks like a D-sub pin.

[wraper]

Why do you say that, check the datasheet for that die, the crimped connector looks like a D-sub pin.

Die in question is for 0.5 mm² wire minimum. And it's not for D-SUB. It has wrong description saying it's for 30AWG and thicker. Check the datasheet yourself.

[wraper]

TE calls it the Ergocrimp tool accepting "Standard Die Envelope" (SDE) dies. Here is a die for an automotive MQS contact accepting 0.08–0.22mm^2 wires. Is that small enough for you? The big challenge with this tool is probably the cost of the interchangeable dies after connector maker's mark up. The other day, I thought I saw this MQS die for around 200 euros, or it might have been the die for the next larger range of wire sizes.

It has nothing to do with TE nor it uses compatible dies.

It and do are carrying a lot of water there.

Is this (283K pdf) not equivalent to your Knipex crimper? If it is not, how is it different?

[jfiresto]

Ahhh, I think you were responding to the message before mine, message #1.

[wraper]

Ahhh, I think you were responding to the message before mine, message #1.

Yes, I responded to OP. Equivalent from knipex to that TE is this, most likely the same tool from the same factory. https://www.omobihost.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=691419

I do not know if it is the best, but Knipex and their sister firm Rennsteig make an even nicer crimp system pliers which Tyco/AMP relabels and sells as one of their manual crimpers. I was talking to an AMP  mechanical engineers about a compatible die for one of their contacts, and I could almost hear him swoon when he talked about the tool. The only criticism I have of it is that the dies for it can be rather expensive.

I would not say nicer than multicrimp. Depends on your use case, it's like comparing apples vs oranges. Multicrimp allows to exchange dies rapidly so you basically have 5 crimpers at hand. Another one needs way more time and effort to change the dies.

[jfiresto]

Thank you. Assuming I have become sufficiently unconfused, a better D-Sub die for that one (Knipex 97 43 05) and the Ergocrimp might be Knipex 97 49 24 or Rennsteig 624 667 3 0.

EDIT: Has anyone ordered Rennsteig tools and dies from TGS?

[jfiresto]

I do not know if it is the best, but Knipex and their sister firm Rennsteig make an even nicer crimp system pliers which Tyco/AMP relabels and sells as one of their manual crimpers. I was talking to an AMP  mechanical engineers about a compatible die for one of their contacts, and I could almost hear him swoon when he talked about the tool. The only criticism I have of it is that the dies for it can be rather expensive.

I would not say nicer than multicrimp. Depends on your use case, it's like comparing apples vs oranges. Multicrimp allows to exchange dies rapidly so you basically have 5 crimpers at hand. Another one needs way more time and effort to change the dies.

A reviewer on Amazon and owner of a Multicrimp shares your opinion and got the advantages of both by buying four more crimping frames.  I guess he has room and now has an impressive stack of crimper carry cases or row of crimpers.

[tooki]

If you click on "624 Series" in the link above, you can see the rest of the dies.  Seems this die is compatible with Dupont/D-sub:
https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-674-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518382?ost=624+674+3

It is not. (I guess you didn’t read the thread I linked to, which explains what to look for.)

Anyway, looking at the datasheet, it looks like the die above it, model 624 053 3 0,  could be correct. The two smaller wire sizes work, and above all, it has the necessary round insulation crimp.

For crimping Dupont connectors, I bought this off Farnell a while back: Multicomp PRO HT-225D
https://export.farnell.com/multicomp/ht-225d/crimp-tool-ratchet-30-18awg/dp/1624832?ost=1624832

That’s not the right tool. As explained in my linked thread, the m-shape insulation crimp is not correct for DuPont contacts, causing the insulation crimp to get mangled. DuPont contacts require the aforementioned round insulation crimp.

[bsodmike]

Why do you say that, check the datasheet for that die, the crimped connector looks like a D-sub pin.

Die in question is for 0.5 mm² wire minimum. And it's not for D-SUB. It has wrong description saying it's for 30AWG and thicker. Check the datasheet yourself.

What about this one https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-667-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518383?ost=rennsteig+624+667+3+0

Thanks to jfiresto

[jfiresto]

... What about this one https://export.farnell.com/rennsteig/624-667-3-0/die-set-crimp-system-plier/dp/2518383?ost=rennsteig+624+667+3+0....

I would test it if I had some DuPont contacts.

[jfiresto]

Are these equivalent to "DuPont contacts"? Or AMP MODU IV? I find "DuPont connector" as suggestive as "Molex connector": there are so many, many of them.

[wraper]

Are these equivalent to "DuPont contacts"? Or AMP MODU IV? I find "DuPont connector" as suggestive as "Molex connector": there are so many, many of them.

No, and they need different crimping die. Also AMP MODU IV is different from DuPont.

AMP MODU IV


DuPont