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PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« on: March 27, 2025, 03:41:42 pm »
I have a PACE MBT350 with the blue collared intelliheat handpieces (desoldering,tweezers and soldering iron) but it uses 110v mains which I use with a 240V to 110V transformer. I'm looking for an excuse to buy the MBT360 system in a couple of years time. Has anyone used one or actually owns one of these systems, and can they work with existing intelliheat handpieces? Thanks.
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2025, 06:26:29 pm »
I have a PACE MBT350 with the blue collared intelliheat handpieces (desoldering,tweezers and soldering iron) but it uses 110v mains which I use with a 240V to 110V transformer. I'm looking for an excuse to buy the MBT360 system in a couple of years time. Has anyone used one or actually owns one of these systems, and can they work with existing intelliheat handpieces? Thanks.

The MTB360 has two AccuDrive ports and one Sensatemp.  It is not compatible with Intelliheat handpieces.  I don't have it, but I do have AccuDrive and Sensatemp systems.  They're fine, but I doubt you want to junk all of your Intelliheat stuff.
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2025, 06:34:57 am »
There's the MBT450 as well now. Main differences are GUI, integrated visifilter and hot air. Same sensatemp and accudrive channels.

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2025, 08:08:40 am »
It's a shame that neither will support my existing intelliheat handpieces? Maybe PACE should consider providing an OFFICIAL adaptor for customers with intelliheat tools?
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2025, 10:55:28 am »
Most IntelliHeat handpieces can be converted to SensaTemp by wiring on a different plug or building an adapter.

IntelliHeat really is just the SensaTemp and HeatWise systems combined into one plug.

If a SensaTemp version of the handpiece in question exists, then even the IntelliHeat versions are electrically “SensaTemp under the hood” and can be adapted. This should be all of the IntelliHeat handpieces except for the ones that use cartridge heaters (TD-100, TD-100A, and MT-100, IIRC).

Somewhere on the forum there are the pinouts one could use to make an adapter or rewire the cable with a new plug.

(The plugs are Amphenol C091B series.)
 
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2025, 02:04:23 pm »
If Accudrive is a combination of RTD-100 and heater, then it is easily adapted.
If this cartridge contains a K-type temperature sensor, then you need to study the diagram - how to adapt it.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/pace-intelliheat-pinout-for-6-to-8-pin-adaptor/
 
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2025, 03:49:31 pm »
There's the MBT450 as well now.
It is not released so nobody can buy the PACE MBT450 today!
Although...
https://paceworldwide.com/news/pace-product-announcements-august-2020
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PACE Product Announcements August 2020
Coming Soon:
    MBT 450 Multi-Channel Soldering & Rework System (available early next year)
It should have been be released in 2021, but it was not!
Even the MBT 450 photo is not available on manufacturer's website.

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2025, 06:29:07 am »
If you are buying in two years who knows there may be even more options. Here is the datasheet, it says summer 2025.

https://paceworldwide.com/sites/default/files/2025-03/MBT450%20Datasheet%202025.pdf

I always wanted from the start to run the older handpieces in perpetuity so seems counter intuitive to retire the MBT350 station  just to squeeze it's tools onto an MBT360/450. I've been considering a second MBT350 (already have a couple of accudrive stations).

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2025, 08:25:53 am »
If Accudrive is a combination of RTD-100 and heater, then it is easily adapted.
If this cartridge contains a K-type temperature sensor, then you need to study the diagram - how to adapt it.
According to other posts on the forum, AccuDrive is a K thermocouple.

SensaTemp (and the SensaTemp half of IntelliHeat) is PT100.

I don’t know what  HeatWise (and HeatWise half of IntelliHeat) uses.
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2025, 02:48:41 am »
Heatwise and Tempwise (digital) as far as I recall were the set temp stations that use interchange resistor plugs for temp setting. It's basically a temp adjustable station but with the features of a set temp station in one.

The handpiece was the TC100 and it takes 1124 series tips which as far as I'm aware are the same that work in the Intelliheats TD100 handpiece.

Edit:
For those interested there was some more technical discussion of Intelliheat and Sensatemp in this thread that Tooki participated in.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/pace-intelliheat-pinout-for-6-to-8-pin-adaptor/
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2025, 04:43:13 am »
Hi,

The entire PACE product line, with all the variety of products, is based on proven technologies.
Well, okay.
MBT450 - looks stylish, easy to change VisiFilter, touch screen, TF added for versatility.
And, in essence, SensaTemp, IntelliHeat, AccuDrive are present.
By the way, AccuDrive (thermocouple K) probably came from ST325/350, ST450, TF1800, TF2800, TF1500 - TF3000, built using OP177G Analog Devices.
Then, when the production of heating cartridges was mastered, AccuDrive organically fit into the creation of a whole line of small-sized and convenient tools.
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I, somehow, do not suffer much.
PRC2k does its job.
I redesigned the AUX channels for control via opto triacs (~220V), now, in fact, I have six controlled channels, and also installed a Chinese vacuum pump on the PULSE HEAT channel, supplementing the circuit with a network transformer.
Thus, I expanded the PIK VAK function, creating the vacuum/pressure I need in a wide range of values.
Well, if I get AccuDrive tools, I will adapt them to the ST325.
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2026, 02:18:31 pm »
I have a PACE MBT350 with the blue collared intelliheat handpieces (desoldering,tweezers and soldering iron) but it uses 110v mains which I use with a 240V to 110V transformer. I'm looking for an excuse to buy the MBT360 system in a couple of years time. Has anyone used one or actually owns one of these systems, and can they work with existing intelliheat handpieces? Thanks.

The MTB360 has two AccuDrive ports and one Sensatemp.  It is not compatible with Intelliheat handpieces.  I don't have it, but I do have AccuDrive and Sensatemp systems.  They're fine, but I doubt you want to junk all of your Intelliheat stuff.

I want to spank whosoever at Pace came up and used these marketing words instead of something more descriptive.

What on earth are AccuDrive, Sensatemp, and Intelliheat?
 

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2026, 07:51:06 pm »
I have a PACE MBT350 with the blue collared intelliheat handpieces (desoldering,tweezers and soldering iron) but it uses 110v mains which I use with a 240V to 110V transformer. I'm looking for an excuse to buy the MBT360 system in a couple of years time. Has anyone used one or actually owns one of these systems, and can they work with existing intelliheat handpieces? Thanks.

The MTB360 has two AccuDrive ports and one Sensatemp.  It is not compatible with Intelliheat handpieces.  I don't have it, but I do have AccuDrive and Sensatemp systems.  They're fine, but I doubt you want to junk all of your Intelliheat stuff.

I want to spank whosoever at Pace came up and used these marketing words instead of something more descriptive.
I don't think that would be any easier, in practice.


What on earth are AccuDrive, Sensatemp, and Intelliheat?

I wrote it up it years ago in a few threads:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/recommendation-for-de-soldering-station-for-through-hole-repair/msg3595853/#msg3595853
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/affordable-desoldering-pen/msg4905416/#msg4905416

However, since then I've learned a bit more detail, so here's an updated write-up.

You are absolutely correct that Pace loves using goofy brand names for their technologies. (They're very 1950s-style in that they often use "cutesy" spellings, like Sodr-X-Tractor, MiniTweez, ConducTweez, ResisTweez, StripTweez, VisiFilter, Snap-Vac, Lapflo, Flo-D-Sodr, SODRTEK, and countless others.) With that said, with few exceptions (like IntelliHeat) they each refer fairly unambiguously to a specific technology, so goofy or not, they are useful.



In essence, Pace has really only had 4 different control systems (electrical standards, i.e. drive voltage and temperature sensor type):
- "dimmed" 120V AC (no sensor)
- SensaTemp (21V AC, PT100 sensor) — this name was originally used in 1971 for the ST-10 external temperature measuement unit
- HeatWise (first-generation cartridge heater, 16V AC, thermocouple) — referred to very inconsistently, see timeline (I'm using the first name they used)
- AccuDrive (second-generation cartridge heater, 21V AC, thermocouple)


All of the low-voltage systems use Amphenol C091 B series DIN connectors:
6-pin black is the SensaTemp connector, containing only the SensaTemp signals.
4-pin red is the HeatWise connector, containing only the HeatWise signals.
8-pin blue is the IntelliHeat connector, containing both SensaTemp and HeatWise signals.
4-pin black is the AccuDrive connector, containing only the AccuDrive signals.

Only the cartridge heater handpieces use HeatWise or AccuDrive signals. (TD-100 series irons and MT-100 and TP-100 tweezers use HeatWise signals. The TD-200 iron and MT-200 tweezers     use AccuDrive.) The others use SensaTemp. HeatWise and IntelliHeat are now obsolete and the dimmed mains have been gone for decades.

<end of summary>



Timeline, as best as I have been able to piece together, skipping over the really old stations with the dimmed 120V AC control:

- Stations from about 1989 on used SensaTemp signals on black SensaTemp connectors.

- In 2002, the first HeatWise and TempWise stations came out, which used HeatWise signals on red HeatWise connectors. HeatWise and TempWise stations differ only in how you set the temperature, with the TempWise models having conventional digital controls while the HeatWise models use fixed preset temperatures via fixed-temp "Power Modules" (headphone plugs with resistors inside). Pace marketed this as "Advanced Heating Technology" without otherwise naming it.

[added 2026-06-23]
- In 2003, the MTS series of HeatWise (“Power Module”-controlled) rework stations were released, offering either one red and one black connector, one red and two black, or two red and one black. They refer to the black ports as being “fixed heater handpiece channels” and the red ports as “heater cartridge channels”. They don’t mention the SensaTemp name at all, neither in the brochure nor on the unit. The user manual, however, does refer to the “SensaTemp handpiece heaters” in passing, though it otherwise refers to “HC” and “FH” ports and channels, or just red and black. (The manual is wildly inconsistent in its terminology. I suspect this was when Pace reached peak confusion/uncertainty on what it wanted to call these different control standards.) [/2026-06-23]

- The 2004 catalog refers to "SensaTemp" but now names the cartridge heating system as "HeatWise" technology. This catalog inexplicably uses Comic Sans headings!  :palm:

- In 2005, the new "dual-technology" MBT 301 and 350 introduce the blue connectors which combined both the SensaTemp and HeatWise signals. However, they hadn't yet introduced the IntelliHeat brand. In the 2005 documentation, they now refer to  them as "SensaTemp" and "TempWise" technologies, and the handpieces came in "black series" and "blue series", referring to the plug color.

- In 2007, they launch the IntelliHeat brand. They now refer to the two technologies as "SensaTemp" and "tip-heater cartridge based" and the handpieces's official descriptions change from "black series" and "blue series" to just appending "SensaTemp" or "IntelliHeat" in parentheses. All red connector HeatWise stations and nearly all of the black connector SensaTemp stations are replaced with blue connector IntelliHeat versions. (In many cases, using the same model numbers!  |O ) For people with existing SensaTemp handpieces, an adapter from black connector to blue plug is introduced, too.

- In 2010, the oddball WJS100 "50th anniversary" station is released (two years after their 50th, LOL), which uses a special version of tip-heater cartridge with double the power of the regular HeatWise ones. Sort of a proto-AccuDrive, since it's the same power. I don't know what voltage these use. The station and tips are not compatible with regular HeatWise, but the station is compatible with regular SensaTemp-based handpieces.

- In 2018, the ADS200 station launched the AccuDrive system, the official second generation of tip-heater cartridge irons.

With that, they now have two incompatible cartridge heater systems at the same time. Since AccuDrive is better, they want to kill off HeatWise.

- 2022: Since IntelliHeat minus HeatWise is just SensaTemp, when they update their multi-port stations to AccuDrive with the MBT 360, they essentially kill off IntelliHeat and resurrect the SensaTemp connector. All single-port IntelliHeat stations are replaced with SensaTemp versions. (And recycling even more model numbers!)


(Dates checked against old brochures, manuals, and the US Patent and Trademark Office trademark database.)
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2026, 08:25:45 pm »
Holy Shit!

I thought Hakko was bad; that's the most convoluted system I've ever heard.  I imagine they achieved some better backwards compatibiltiy going this route.  This also guarantees the position of the salesman who does understand all this and can offer good advice.

Good lord.

All this does render a certain charisma to the company.  There's something very endearing, almost Steve Jobs like, in their completely convoluted execution.
 

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2026, 08:02:54 am »
Holy Shit!

I thought Hakko was bad; that's the most convoluted system I've ever heard.  I imagine they achieved some better backwards compatibiltiy going this route.  This also guarantees the position of the salesman who does understand all this and can offer good advice.
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment of the situation.

I’m sure every soldering equipment manufacturer that’s been around for a while has an equally convoluted set of systems they’ve used over the years. Heck, IMHO Ersa’s i-CON system has more confusion, and it’s only been around since 2006. (For example, the first i-CON model, whose name is simply “i-CON”, is not the same as the “i-CON 1”, and the latter supports far fewer handpiece models than the first — for that wide compatibility you now need the “i-CON 1V”.)

In the end, as a user you really only need to match connector color and pin count; if those match, it will work. At least they name them, so you can know what to search for on the website. They could just as easily called them Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 3, and Gen 4.

As far as I can tell, for example, Weller doesn’t name its handpiece interfaces, so you have to check a station’s manual to see what handpieces it supports.

Good lord.

All this does render a certain charisma to the company.  There's something very endearing, almost Steve Jobs like, in their completely convoluted execution.
You could not come up with a worse comparison if you tried. ”Convoluted” is literally the exact polar opposite of Steve Jobs’ approach to everything. I mean, literally one of the big  things he did after he returned to Apple in 1997 was to simplify the product line (which he did very publicly, discussing it at Macworld keynote presentation). He got rid of non-core products (Newton, printers, cameras, servers, etc.) At the time, many Mac models were sold simultaneously under the Power Mac, Performa, and LC series, with gazillions of different model numbers (representing different configurations of hardware and bundled software) that made comparison shopping impossible. By 1999, the product range was reduced to a 2x2 matrix: pro vs consumer on one axis, and desktop vs. laptop on the other, producing 4 lines: Power Mac, PowerBook, iMac, and iBook.

(I would describe Jobs as a “minimalist who understands that you want things as simple as possible but no simpler, in contrast to Jony Ive, Apple’s chief designer at the time, who I would characterize as “minimalism above all else, usability be damned”. Jobs kept Ive in check, but after Jobs’ death, Ive went hog wild and became the head of software design, giving us the visually-simple but unnecessarily hard to use interface that iOS is still burdened with today.)
 

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2026, 12:32:18 am »
I edited my big reply above to incorporate the very obscure 2003 MTS rework systems. They were, like their HeatWise parents, short-lived and thus rare, but the MTS is likely the first time the HeatWise and SensaTemp signals found themselves in the same product, even if they had yet to be merged into the blue connector. That would come two years later.
 

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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2026, 08:57:44 pm »
Open the case.

The transformer insiude the station may have two primary windings that can be reconfigured for 240V operation.
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Re: PACE MBT360-Anyone using one?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2026, 02:34:32 pm »
In essence, Pace has really only had 4 different control systems (electrical standards, i.e. drive voltage and temperature sensor type):
- "dimmed" 120V AC (no sensor)
- SensaTemp (21V AC, PT100 sensor) — this name was originally used in 1971 for the ST-10 external temperature measuement unit
- HeatWise (first-generation cartridge heater, 16V AC, thermocouple) — referred to very inconsistently, see timeline (I'm using the first name they used)
- AccuDrive (second-generation cartridge heater, 21V AC, thermocouple)

All of the low-voltage systems use Amphenol C091 B series DIN connectors:
6-pin black is the SensaTemp connector, containing only the SensaTemp signals.

Timeline, as best as I have been able to piece together, skipping over the really old stations with the dimmed 120V AC control:

- Stations from about 1989 on used SensaTemp signals on black SensaTemp connectors.


There are also older 21V AC irons without any kind of temperature sensor, the station and irons use the same connector as the slightly later Sensatemp ones, only three connections are used for the older irons such as the SX-55 and Micro Soldering Iron (no shorthand model number).

An example is the Micro BenchTop™ base unit in the linked thread, I didn't know this was what MBT stood for, as mine had that branding covered with a RS part number sticker.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/pace-mbt-100e-mbt-200e-substitute-soldering-irons/msg6277152/#msg6277152

The 1993 RS catalog mentions the newer SensaTemp irons could be used with these, but there is no temperature feedback, this is what I have been using for a few years.

I've got an old PPS 85E (MBT 250E) on the way, if it's in working order it will be replacing my MBT100E (pre-SensaTemp) and my buzz-O-matic ST45 unit.

David
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