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Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« on: September 29, 2019, 11:15:14 am »
Hi dear,
a friend of mine have found these 2 components that should be parts of a so called "microwave power source" .
These are old parts that came off a canadair airplane.

Do you know what are and if they could be of interest?

See the attached photos.



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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2019, 11:40:07 pm »
Part of a radio-altimeter system maybe?

Any part number on the outside of these modules?
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2019, 12:52:00 am »
i think it would be a power supply for a doppler radar

check the voltage levels to see if its using high power tubes (TWT)
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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2019, 09:48:52 am »
It's definitely not a high power device so unlikely to be a Doppler radar or TWT supply. More than likely it is a IMPATT or Gunn diode based oscillator, though for what I'm not sure.

 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2019, 02:33:59 pm »
Looks like two SRD multiplier chains.

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 05:19:01 pm »
Actually it has a big Cristal and the wiring looks like for high frequency
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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2019, 09:05:35 pm »
I'm not sure about electronics, but the shielding is very good and will be very useful for ham radio amateurs to use it for RF circuits. For example RF low noise amplifiers, RF modules for SDR receivers, etc. I also want such cool shielding :)

Crystal also may be very useful. it looks like low phase noise oscillator. If so, then it also will be very useful for ham radio amateurs, for high dynamic range receivers, SDR, etc.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2019, 04:49:24 am »
Understood, but i am not an expert on radio equipment so I cannot figure out for what purpose they made those apparatuses and how they specifically works. For exemple the little one seem to have three different channel but not sure for what.
The same the bigger one has obviously an oscillator plus 3 that are the same to each other
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2019, 06:03:40 am »
What's the purpose of blacking out the part numbers?  Those are probably the easiest clues to identify the units.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2019, 06:55:08 pm »
You are right but my friend is paranoic
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2019, 07:32:17 pm »
You are right but my friend is paranoic

he forgot to wipe out serial number, they can find the source by serial number   :o :-DD
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2019, 08:30:18 pm »
Ok fixed   :-DD
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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 08:33:26 pm »
So.... What to do with this stuff?
I think they are quite old....
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2019, 08:48:23 pm »
Actually it has a big Cristal and the wiring looks like for high frequency

That is a DC-DC converter:
https://www.amazon.com/Tecnetics-HCHR-015-228-Converter-28V-DC/dp/B00B05ZJBE

The flat module on the bottom labeled RF in / RF out is an RF amplifier.  It takes 1.5A so probably a medium power amp with a few Watts output power.

The boxes with multiple screws look like filters of some sort.

The bottom PC board also has an amplifier chain, driven by maybe a diode comb generator or oscillator.

The TO-5 can pictured is a crystal or crystal oscillator.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2019, 09:00:11 pm »
Ok fixed   :-DD

too late... they already logged it.  ::)

Now stay in place and wait for black helicopters  :-DD



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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2019, 04:18:23 am »
I don't know why but is stuff that was found in a scrapyard
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2019, 04:23:16 am »
Obsolete tech most likely. Especially on an aircraft where weight really matters, they could have very well upgraded to a newer system that does the same thing but is 1/4 of the size and weight. Could also be defective parts that were not worth fixing. Any number of reasons.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2019, 06:21:04 am »
It's definitely not a high power device so unlikely to be a Doppler radar or TWT supply. More than likely it is a IMPATT or Gunn diode based oscillator, though for what I'm not sure.

you are right, I looked at the pictures carefully and I don't see a potted kV transformer anywhere, They usually have a box thats coated in a thick layer of rubber
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2019, 06:24:18 am »
I don't know if you ever bought this stuff before, but it does make you a bit paranoid.

It is export controlled and you get all sorts of stickers on it. One box I got looks like it can work in a CIA version of that bar from 'office space' where you need to wear the pins on your shirt. Like polka dots. Pretty sure it had a 'secret' sticker on it LOL before the goo-gone came out.

How many people are really that confident that if you start buying export controlled electronic warfare equipment removed from a defense lab you won't get problems? The stickers only tell you 'electronic warfare' 'secret' and its made by the same company that designs stuff to blow up communism... I would even consider fear of that.. reasonable.. if a teenager bought that thing his parents would probably panic

sure a expert knows you can buy a weird looking tile from analog.com that does most of the same stuff (so long you know how to do every other thing they did in that equipment to actually make it equipment, not a datasheet with nice specs and a diagram), but the postal inspector might think you are arming north korea LOL


as for how to turn it on, you need to reverse engineer some of the circuits . find a power rail and then find something connected to it thats identifiable and then determine what it should be biased at to identify a plausible rail voltage. lots of work. likely a gigantic waste of time, so desolder parts from it and try making a 'simple' RF circuit (like that exists)

there might be some nice functional RF transistors there that you can try to wind coils for to make simple oscillators, since it goes on an airplane its probably not gonna be useful for anything other then airplanes (for instance, on airplanes they use 400Hz power alot of the time, which just does not make sense for terrestrial use). that whole circuit was probably reduced to be functional for only what it was designed to do in the interests of weight and reliability. And the spec might not be impressive for test equipment standards, since its meant to do something within the limited resources of an airplane.. no one thought some genius is gonna find that and turn it into something nice (i.e. test equipment is designed with scientists in mind that do creative things, but this means more buttons, modes, more failure modes, etc).

I would only save wideband amplifiers, filters or reference things that store in your lab nicely
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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2019, 06:59:26 am »
First of all I thank you and all the other guys.
These pieces of equipment were found from my friend, he works in scrapyard.
He worried to be doing something illegal possessing them but he was curious about what are... so he asked me but I am not an expert.

Actually at this point I would be keen to understand if I can recover some of the components to re-use them in other applications. Also it would be interesting understanding what quartz is that and for what frequency it is set.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2019, 07:08:53 am »
Thank you for the insight, i thought that it was the quartz because on the lable placed on the enclosure it is written open to remove quartz.



Actually it has a big Cristal and the wiring looks like for high frequency

That is a DC-DC converter:
https://www.amazon.com/Tecnetics-HCHR-015-228-Converter-28V-DC/dp/B00B05ZJBE

The flat module on the bottom labeled RF in / RF out is an RF amplifier.  It takes 1.5A so probably a medium power amp with a few Watts output power.

The boxes with multiple screws look like filters of some sort.

The bottom PC board also has an amplifier chain, driven by maybe a diode comb generator or oscillator.

The TO-5 can pictured is a crystal or crystal oscillator.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2019, 07:30:56 am »
Actually I watched better to the circuit. Obviously all the components around the tecnetics dc converter has the purpose to be a power supply source for the "rf" can that is under it. But i still don't understand why its written that the "dc converter circuit" should has a quartz some where... Se the attached photo:


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Thank you for the insight, i thought that it was the quartz because on the lable placed on the enclosure it is written open to remove quartz.



Actually it has a big Cristal and the wiring looks like for high frequency

That is a DC-DC converter:
https://www.amazon.com/Tecnetics-HCHR-015-228-Converter-28V-DC/dp/B00B05ZJBE

The flat module on the bottom labeled RF in / RF out is an RF amplifier.  It takes 1.5A so probably a medium power amp with a few Watts output power.

The boxes with multiple screws look like filters of some sort.

The bottom PC board also has an amplifier chain, driven by maybe a diode comb generator or oscillator.

The TO-5 can pictured is a crystal or crystal oscillator.
 

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2019, 07:52:53 am »
Also.... I don't understand the purpose of this metal block where the rf cable enters. There are also 9 screws that seem to be adjustable in heights because those are in different heights

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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2019, 09:31:47 am »
Also.... I don't understand the purpose of this metal block where the rf cable enters. There are also 9 screws that seem to be adjustable in heights because those are in different heights

Tunable/adjustable filters
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Re: Microwave power source.... from a Canadair
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2019, 10:41:18 am »
I don't understand the purpose of this metal block where the rf cable enters. There are also 9 screws that seem to be adjustable in heights because those are in different heights

looks like cavity filters.
 


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