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Offline bozidarmsTopic starter

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4 wire measurement (Kelvin clips) - handheld LCR meters
« on: December 20, 2016, 09:11:53 am »
Hi to the group,

on some sites  can bee read that DE-5000 LCR meter is capable for 4 wire measurement, in contrary Agilent U1733C not.
Can someone, please, explain why - both LCR meters have the same  3 connections: plus,  minus  and  guard? :-//

Thanks in advance
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Re: 4 wire measurement (Kelvin clips) - handheld LCR meters
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 07:15:35 pm »
Hi to the group,

on some sites  can bee read that DE-5000 LCR meter is capable for 4 wire measurement, in contrary Agilent U1733C not.
Can someone, please, explain why - both LCR meters have the same  3 connections: plus,  minus  and  guard? :-//

Thanks in advance

On the Der EE, the slots are actually two connections in one. They are a kind of clip, where each side of the clip is a part of the five wire connection (traditional kelvin four wire plus guard). The adapters use a double sided PCB that slides into those slots breaking it down into the individual connecitons.

You can see more in my teardown here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/der-ee-de-5000-unboxing-and-teardown/
« Last Edit: December 20, 2016, 07:17:39 pm by PedroDaGr8 »
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Re: 4 wire measurement (Kelvin clips) - handheld LCR meters
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 07:27:29 pm »
Before buying any LCR meter with one of the Cyrustek chipsets, and if the somewhat higher spending is not an issue, I would strongly recommend the Applent AT826. After I purchased one of these for my "basement lab" and showed it to the engineers at work, we meanwhile bought there two more since all the users were really amazed about these instruments. Moreover, the AT826 comes with a set of kelvin clips and a really decent pair of SMD tweezers which already makes the price look much more competitive. At least I never regretted the money spent on that instrument since it's always been a joy to use. Accuracy and measurement ranges are really great.

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Thomas
 

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Re: 4 wire measurement (Kelvin clips) - handheld LCR meters
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 09:52:12 pm »
On the DER DE-5000, when you plug in one of the auxiliary cables into the slots, using the banana jacks only for mechanical support (plastic pins in the mating connector) you have the four wires needed for a Kelvin connection.  The alligator-clip connector connects two wires to each clip at the clip.
 

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Re: 4 wire measurement (Kelvin clips) - handheld LCR meters
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2016, 12:41:08 am »
Thanks for responses, i was just curious.
Besides, decision is already  met before - Agilent,
but this  Applent AT826 seems to be very interesting.
By the way - my "lab" is also in basement :D

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