Keithley 2010 7.5 Digit Multimeter

[bson]

I did the mem and firmware upgrade on my K2001 (can't recall if it involved replacing the mem SRAM off-hand or if it was just firmware), using a couple of Winbond EEPROMs.  Has worked beautifully for 8 years or so now.

I wouldn't mind replacing the VFD with a modern screen though.

[KungFuJosh]

I supposed that's +1 to the modern screen team.

[BillyO]

Hmm, got my tax refund in my hot big hands, should I get one of these even though I need it like a hole in the head?

[KungFuJosh]

Hmm, got my tax refund in my hot big hands, should I get one of these even though I need it like a hole in the head?

Obviously, yes. You probably need it more than I do. 

[tautech]

Hmm, got my tax refund in my hot big hands, should I get one of these even though I need it like a hole in the head?

Or wait for the SDM4075A......

[KungFuJosh]

Hmm, got my tax refund in my hot big hands, should I get one of these even though I need it like a hole in the head?

Or wait for the SDM4075A......

First of all, buy both. Obviously.

Second, a new SDM4075A will cost more than a used 2010...and it's gonna need some time to mature anyway.

[BillyO]

I have two 6.5 digit meters, two 5.5 digit meters and a plethora of 4.5 digit meters.  I'd like a really god good variable voltage/current reference...  Something a bit better than my LB02A.

So, any ideas on how much the SDM4075A will be?

Edit:  Removed erroneous religious reference.

[tautech]

I have two 6.5 digit meters, two 5.5 digit meters and a plethora of 4.5 digit meters.  I'd like a really god variable voltage/current reference...  Something a bit better than my LB02A.

So, any ideas on how much the SDM4075A will be?

Not in the slightest, more than SDM4065A 

[BillyO]

Undoubtedly.

If it's less than $1500 USD, it might be something to consider.

Is there any idea when?

[tautech]

Undoubtedly.

If it's less than $1500 USD, it might be something to consider.

Is there any idea when?

When I asked a while back they said a little later this year so one might take from that they were doing reference aging tests. We know from the 3000X range feedback, reference aging closely met the reference datasheet spec....but one must test such. 

[KungFuJosh]

I finally have access to xdevs. Still don't have a 2010 yet tho.

[BillyO]

Just a question Josh, why a 2010 over a 2001?

[Zucca]

less noise

[Cyclotron]

Just a question Josh, why a 2010 over a 2001?

Noise is my guess.

See second post in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/keithley-2001-or-2010/

[KungFuJosh]

Yup. Less noise, and no fan noise either.

[d-el]

A new display from Newhaven Display, model C29-1305N DD-52, has been installed. It appears to be high quality and provides bright, uniform illumination.

[BillyO]

Yup. Less noise, and no fan noise either.

What's you trigger price?

[KungFuJosh]

Yup. Less noise, and no fan noise either.

What's you trigger price?

You mean what I'd pay for one? I already ordered one. A little higher priced than I wanted for a project meter, but we'll see how bad it is.

[KungFuJosh]

The listing said:

This Keithley 2010 Digital Multimeter powers up, initializes, responds to controls, reads DCV, DCA, Ohm and Freq correctly, ACV does not read on 10V range (no other testing performed).  Power cord and probes not included.

The built-in self-test results:

Bank 100 A/D Converter
101.2 TestCal

Bank 400 VAC
400.2 Non Inv Path

10VAC appears fine so far, but I dunno since it has a 400.2 fail.

Any suggestions on those two fails?

The only other thing that annoys me is that the seller had their photos white balanced incorrectly to make the meter look less yellow. I suspect it wasn't a mistake.

Thanks,
Josh

[KungFuJosh]

Check out this photo comparison. My photo is correctly white balanced and cropped, otherwise exactly as shot with no special lighting (shot in Shutter priority).

The seller's photo appears to be both incorrectly white balanced and desaturated (look at the red jacks).

It's not terrible, but it's clearly misleading.

[BillyO]

It seems a little strange that the asking price on these is up in the range of the 7510.


It looks like a good staring point Josh.  Please let us know how it's going.

[KungFuJosh]

The 2010 is currently an active product with a retail price of $5,840. The DMM7510 retail is $6190. That's not a big difference. 🤷

I'm told the 2010 will be EoL soon though. They said there are two hardware versions (A & B). Final A firmware is A15, and final B firmware is B05 (should be obvious that they are not interchangeable).

I'm hoping somebody has some insight on those 2 errors before I have to make time to figure it out. More profitable projects are currently waiting...this will just be another toy on my bench.

Thanks,
Josh

[BillyO]

I'm sure it will be a more engaging toy than a $30 black and blue component tester!   

[d-el]

After the recap and display replacement, I decided to perform a DC calibration.
For safety, I made a backup of the 24LC16.
I was only missing a 100 kΩ reference resistor, so I used an old calibrator instead (after first measuring its actual resistance with a reference multimeter).
I decided not to perform current calibration because I don’t have a good reference current source.

Steps:

Code: [Select]

:CAL:PROT:CODE 'KI002010'
:CAL:PROT:INIT
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP3 10 9 to 11
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP4 -10 -9 to -11
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP5 100 90 to 110
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP6 10
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP7 1E3
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP8 10E3
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP9 100E3
:CAL:PROT:DC:STEP10 1E6
:CAL:PROT:DATE <year>, <month>, <day>
:CAL:PROT:NDUE <year>, <month>, <day>
:CAL:PROT:SAVE
:CAL:PROT:LOCK
The result turned out pretty good:






P.S.
The device has already been shipped to its new owner.

[J-R]

Looking at other listings from that seller, I don't think they were purposefully deceptive with the K2010 photos.  Their other photos seem to be a bit on the white side as well.

But honestly, the color looks fine to me, since the input jack section and the buttons look about the same as the front bezel, and that is typically how you'd tell if it's been sitting in the sun too long.

Here's an example of a unit that isn't so great: https://www.ebay.com/itm/405269217479