Magnova oscilloscope

[tautech]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

[tggzzz]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Ah. The Pollyanna attitude.

The realist attitude is to note that nappy wearers don't understand history and so are doomed to repeat it. That's tolerable iff serious users can avoid their ignorance, e.g. by reconfiguring their kewless so that it is functional.

Let's make new mistakes - that's a good motto for life in general.

[tautech]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Oh and forgot nonreflective toughened glass displays.

[vk6zgo]

They say"Give the Magnova 5 minutes & you will love it!"
30 seconds into the blurb, & I already hated it!

But then, I'm old & nasty! 

[tggzzz]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Oh and forgot nonreflective toughened glass displays.

"Toughened glass display" is nothing new.

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Let's hope the Batronix scope hasn't been made less usable due to avoidable "colour of case" choices.

[tautech]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Oh and forgot nonreflective toughened glass displays.

"Toughened" is nothing new.

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Easier to clean than some tinted plastic overlay on some old POS CRO. 

[tggzzz]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Oh and forgot nonreflective toughened glass displays.

"Toughened" is nothing new.

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Easier to clean than some tinted plastic overlay on some old POS CRO. 

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Usually right in the middle of using it because you have found some interesting fine detail, and want to explore it.

[tautech]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Oh and forgot nonreflective toughened glass displays.

"Toughened" is nothing new.

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Easier to clean than some tinted plastic overlay on some old POS CRO. 

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Usually right in the middle of using it because you have found some interesting fine detail, and want to explore it.

Sonny, you are still in the dark ages using blue plastic tints with green phosphors, modern DSO's offer far better contrast than them things from last century. 

[ebastler]

If anybody has something to say about the new Magnova scope, for a change, feel free to chime in.
Any live streams from Embedded World? 

[tggzzz]

So, wouldn't it be nice if modern scopes/technology avoided problems that older scopes suffered due to hardware technology limitations.

Many do.
Persistence.
Reverse contrast inksaver screenshots.
User definable trace colors. < not normally in entry level instruments.

Oh and forgot nonreflective toughened glass displays.

"Toughened" is nothing new.

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Easier to clean than some tinted plastic overlay on some old POS CRO. 

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Usually right in the middle of using it because you have found some interesting fine detail, and want to explore it.

Sonny, you are still in the dark ages using blue plastic tints with green phosphors, modern DSO's offer far better contrast than them things from last century. 

I'm content to leave others to compare their own experiences of touchscreen tablets with your assertions.

Having been formally trained to assess workplace equipment and working practices w.r.t. safety, I am well aware of the ergonomic problems stemming from interacting with display screens.

Are you suggesting that humans have changed since last century?

[tggzzz]

If anybody has something to say about the new Magnova scope, for a change, feel free to chime in.
Any live streams from Embedded World? 

Precisely.

Both fundamental performance characteristics and ergonomics are of interest.

EDIT: add price

[Antonio90]

It's great that the secrecy surrounding the Magnova worked for so long!

Okay, let's fuel the rumours with some insider information...

Exclusive previews for you, only here on the eevblog:

• Unique: The Magnova breaks new ground. It's not just another oscilloscope, everything has been developed from scratch. Give the Magnova 5 minutes and you will be amazed by its unique concept and new possibilities.
• Precise: 12-bit ADCs, as is now becoming more common in the new oscilloscopes? I can see a 200-microvolt signal sharply and in detail with the components only one microvolt high on the display (yes microvolts, not millivolts)... How is that possible? Are 12-bit ADCs sufficient for this or is something else needed?
• Fast: Over 12 million waveforms per second in history mode with more than 3.8 million waveforms in the history memory? These are just two of the unbeatable specs.
• Silent: Passive cooling with this performance? Is that possible? Perhaps with a full metal housing and all heat sources directly connected to it?
• Display Dimensions: Wondering about the size of the display? Any guesses? ... It's a tad larger. It boasts full HD with 1920x1080 pixels. It also interfaces seamlessly and looks really great with external devices, such as big (touch) monitors or projectors.
• Made in Germany: Development, circuit boards, housing comes from Germany... Okay, the microswitches come from Denmark. Did you know that the Danes are the second happiest country in the world? Some of this happiness will also be passed on to Magnova users... By the way, who actually installs microswitches in an oscilloscope? Don't they always use silicone switching mats?

The price? Not cheap, but fair and affordable for ambitious electronics enthusiasts. Much cheaper than it seems with these specifications.

We will be presenting the Magnova oscilloscopes for the first time at our booth at embedded world! I know, for many readers of the eevblog forum Nuremberg is a bit far... We will of course post further information on our Batronix website starting on Tuesday.

See you on Tuesday!

When will we have a video in use? And a proper review?
Do you intend to release some kind of PC-based software for interfacing?
Sample memory for arbitrary waveforms? EDIT: I assumed it's an AWG, that is not mentioned anywhere.
I see some kind of active probe interface. Is it an existing connector or are you rolling your own?

EDIT2: I'm aware this is largely irrelevant, as the result is what matters, but recent forum discussions got me curious.
What is yhe underlying software base? Linux, Android, Windows, BSD?
Are you using a custom ASIC? Or is it an x86/ARM processor?

Thanks!

[tggzzz]

When will we have a video in use? And a proper review?
Do you intend to release some kind of PC-based software for interfacing?
Sample memory for arbitrary waveforms? EDIT: I assumed it's an AWG, that is not mentioned anywhere.
I see some kind of active probe interface. Is it an existing connector or are you rolling your own?

Sensible questions.

I'll emphasise the active probe interface, and that the "proper review" should be more than "unboxing and I see a trace".

[Antonio90]

Indeed, although a basic video fumbling around is better than nothing (general UI idea, reponsiveness, etc) it is largely irrelevant for making a purchase decision.

[egonotto]

Hello,

the signal acquisition rate of 300,000 wfms/s (12,000,000 wfms/s history mode) beats everything I know so far by light years.

Best regards
egonotto

[Antonio90]

Hello,

the signal acquisition rate of 300,000 wfms/s (12,000,000 wfms/s history mode) beats everything I know so far by light years.

Best regards
egonotto

Hello egonotto,

Is your weakness getting any better? 

[Antonio90]

Hello,

the signal acquisition rate of 300,000 wfms/s (12,000,000 wfms/s history mode) beats everything I know so far by light years.

Best regards
egonotto

That's partly why I was asking about the underlying software and hardware. The kings so far were Keysight and R&S MXO series, and they both roll a custom ASIC AFAIK.

[egonotto]

Hello,

I assume and hope that I am on the right track. I can resist the Magnova.
But ASICs are very expensive and probably only pay off if you sell a lot of devices. Maybe 12,000,000 wfms/s history mode is a misprint.

Best regards
egonotto

[Aldo22]

EDIT: add price

I have listed the prices here
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/magnova-oscilloscope/msg5439656/#msg5439656

[Antonio90]

Hello,

I assume and hope that I am on the right track. I can resist the Magnova.
But ASICs are very expensive and probably only pay off if you sell a lot of devices. Maybe 12,000,000 wfms/s history mode is a misprint.

Best regards
egonotto

Maybe, but I find it unlikely. They wrote it on a post here, and it is in the PDF brochure and both Batronix's pages.

[xrunner]

Is this it?

https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Batronix-Magnova-BMO100.html

[joeqsmith]

Is this it?

https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Batronix-Magnova-BMO100.html

I've been thinking to get a new scope for some time.  Looks like this one is out:

Please note: Due to pending product certifications, the sale of this item is currently not available in the United States and Canada.

[Antonio90]

Is this it?

https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Batronix-Magnova-BMO100.html

I've been thinking to get a new scope for some time.  Looks like this one is out:

Please note: Due to pending product certifications, the sale of this item is currently not available in the United States and Canada.

It's listed as not available for 60-90 days yet. Might be certified by the time it's in stock.

[shapirus]

Functionality looks quite impressive.

But ditching proper dedicated controls for: a) cursors; b) vertical scale and offset; c) timebase and offset; d) trigger level in favor of multipurpose controls is not innovation. It has been done before, and even to a greater extent: there are already tablet-like scopes with no physical controls whatsoever.

I wonder how much of a drawback the lack of dedicated controls will be in practice. Buttons may be more or less fine to remove and replace with touch screen widgets. But rotary encoders? I doubt that. I can see how annoying it can be that the same control in the same location for which you have already developed muscle memory (and can use without looking) will change its function. The UI solution(s) used to overcome this inconvenience have to be really brilliant to keep the normal workflow unimpeded. Let's wait for some good reviews to see how it really works.

[joeqsmith]

Maybe we could work a deal where they ship one over for a review and if I like it, it stays (of course I would pay for it at that point). 

The large display for my aging eyes would be a plus.