Magnova oscilloscope

[egonotto]

The large display for my aging eyes would be a plus.

Hello,

then perhaps a Micsig MHO3 with 14 inch, 1920*1200 screen would be interesting.

Best regards
egonotto

[joeqsmith]

• We use high-quality ELMA-E33 encoders with a life expectancy of 1 million
revolutions and knobs with metal collets.
• High-quality MEC micro switches are used instead of silicone keypads.
• There are no tantalum or electrolytic capacitors installed on the Magnova
mainboard and frontend, as well as in the generator and logic analyser
modules.
• We use high-quality displays with LOCA “Full Liquid Bonding”. Although
this is more expensive, it’s worth every penny.

I was going to say, if they used encoders, they better work. 

They provide a LAN connection but they provide no details.   My old scope uses 100 which is pretty slow if you use the PC to post process the data.  Would expect a new product would be at least 1 if not 10G.   

They never talk about any sort of a software interface spec.  Maybe they don't consider using it with a PC?

[joeqsmith]

The large display for my aging eyes would be a plus.

Hello,

then perhaps a Micsig MHO3 with 14 inch, 1920*1200 screen would be interesting.

Best regards
egonotto

I've not looked to see what is out there, but am certainly open to suggestions.  I'll put some sort of criteria together.

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As promised, this is basically what I am after. 
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/looking-for-a-replacement-general-purpose-oscilloscope-for-home-use/

[DaneLaw]

• We use high-quality displays with LOCA “Full Liquid Bonding”. Although
this is more expensive, it’s worth every penny.

LOCA is simply liquid optical clear adhesive, like any relative cheap mobile or tablet, nowadays.
It's that liquid bonding that makes it a pain to change the cracked front glass on your mobile, - and it can lift or tone over time from fx temp & humidity.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006011158561.html

[Fried Chicken]

What exactly is all this about anyway?  New oscilloscope?  Made in Germany?

[shapirus]

What exactly is all this about anyway?  New oscilloscope?  Made in Germany?

Yeah, all of a sudden. And apparently quite a good one. With questionable controls, but that remains to be tested in practice.

[Fried Chicken]

What exactly is all this about anyway?  New oscilloscope?  Made in Germany?

Yeah, all of a sudden. And apparently quite a good one. With questionable controls, but that remains to be tested in practice.

From a new company or...?  All German with extraordinary claims?  Germans generally don't make claims without delivering, so maybe it's extraordinary?  And no videos or hands on?  Is this something to get excited about?

[Martin72]

Just take a look for yourself on the website...

[ebastler]

From a new company or...?

Batronix -- they have been around for 25 years, but this is a new dimension for them. They started out as a small engineering company, developing programmers for EPROMs and microcontrollers. They have added distribution of Rohde & Schwarz, Siglent, Rigol, Pico... over the years, hence have comprehensive T&M expertise. But this is a major step up in their own development capabilities. Definitely a surprise, and an impressive feat.

[Fried Chicken]

Just take a look for yourself on the website...

That doesn't tell me jack shit.  ebastler is actually helpful.

[KungFuJosh]

No need to be rude about it.

[Martin72]

There are people like that, Josh.

I've now taken a closer look at the scope, as it's not really comparable to using a smartphone at work.
Yes...not bad at all.
Maybe there will be a proper data sheet, the brochure provided is just a brochure that I couldn't make any decisions based on.
15.6" Full HD is a word, there's no other way to put it.
A 5-year warranty and microswitches, as well as an ELMA encoder, that's pretty solid.
So about the first impression:
+ 15.6" full hd display
+ 8Mpt FFT
+ Full AWG option with 20Vpp
+ build factor
+ Measured by the wfms/s probably fast hardware
+ comes with Testec probes
- High-quality ELMA encoders, but the buttons look cheap and clunky.
- Hopefully some functions can be switched off, the screen looks very crowded, too much info.

ebastler has already said something about the rather meager sample rate, but for the maximum bandwidth this is probably okay, most of the time.
Otherwise a good impression for the money - NOW.
But don't forget that this is an introductory offer.
After that, the 350Mhz model will cost €7078 (incl. VAT).
This means that it already competes with the 6000 from Siglent, as well as various "real" entry-level models from renowned brands such as Lecroy and Tektronix.

[Fungus]

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Really? How often do you clean the screen on your phone?

[Antonio90]

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Really? How often do you clean the screen on your phone?

Almost never. When it gets greasier than the fingers it becomes self cleaning.
But jokes aside, even though smartphone screens don't get cleaned often, fingerprints really bother me on bigger screens. I do clean my Ipad's screen from time to time.

[tggzzz]

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Really? How often do you clean the screen on your phone?

I never touch it, so it doesn't need cleaning.

[tautech]

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Really? How often do you clean the screen on your phone?

I never touch it, so it doesn't need cleaning.

Yep, shoe phones don't use touch displays.
Who'd want one these days ? 

[DaneLaw]

The brochure/datasheet finally gives a hit.
https://www.batronix.com/files/Batronix/Magnova/Magnova-Brochure-EN.pdf/img

[Martin72]

For me, this is just a brochure, the data in it is somewhat sparse.

[tggzzz]

You forgot glass display made fuzzy/reflective by smeared fingerprints.

Good - because it will need to be frequently cleaned

Really? How often do you clean the screen on your phone?

I never touch it, so it doesn't need cleaning.

Yep, shoe phones don't use touch displays.
Who'd want one these days ? 

What's a shoe phone?

Nobody has ever demonstrated I could hear a smartphone, so there's no point in my having one.

[DaneLaw]

For me, this is just a brochure, the data in it is somewhat sparse.

I don't get your point?.. brochure / datasheet..
Are we flyhumping words in lack of better now datasheet/brochure??. 

[Andre77]

We have just spent the first day of the trade fair with the premiere of the Magnova and would now like to respond briefly to your questions here in the forum. The basic data is already available, but the final data sheet is still in progress.

We would like to answer your questions shortly:
- In addition to the black UI color scheme, there is also a light color scheme.
- The sampling rate is 1 GSa/s per channel or 1.6 GSa/s if only the first two channels are used.
- The 16 digital channels sample at up to 1.6 GSa/s.
- The channel colors and further color schemes are adjustable (intensity, inverted intensity, 7/5/2-color gradient)
- Persistence is supported from 100 ms to 200s (and infinite)
- The operating system is Linux
- The system design is based on an Ultrascale+ MPSoC from Xilinx
- We currently support probe sensing. There are no special probes available for the probe interface yet.
- The 12 million waveforms/s are achieved in history mode if the signal is correspondingly fast and the timescale is correspondingly short. In normal mode it is over 300,000 waveforms/s.
- Certification for the USA and Canada is not yet in progress.
- LAN interface speed is 1 Gbit/s
- The PC software and SCPI control are under development and will be finalized in the coming weeks.

Pricing (plus local taxes, depending on your country):

100 MHz version:
€ 2,999.- net
€ 2,399.- net (Introductionary until 30th September)

200 MHz Version:
€ 3,999.- net
€ 2,799.- net (Introductionary until 30th September)

350 MHz Version:
€ 4,999.- net
€ 3,499.- net (Introductionary until 30th September)

Professional videos, datasheet and manual will follow. We expect the series devices to be available in about 8 weeks.

[Demon Xanth]

What's a shoe phone?

Nobody has ever demonstrated I could hear a smartphone, so there's no point in my having one.

[Fungus]

Nobody has ever demonstrated I could hear a smartphone, so there's no point in my having one.

You don't know about messaging apps?

[Wallace Gasiewicz]

I think that still qualifies as a (Maxwell) SMART  Phone
From the discussion The Magnova Scope appears to be a fine device. I guess if I needed a new scope,I would consider it.. Now we have to wait till a few folks try it out.

[Caliaxy]

2x1.6 GSa/s sampling rate (while being capable of sampling at 4x1 GSa/s) seems like an unusual choice. Any idea why they would do that?

Maybe they thought that 1.6 GSa/s is enough for the given bandwidth and longer captures (by under-sampling in the same amount of available memory) are more beneficial?