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Offline Performa01

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Re: New Siglent AWG: SDG3000X
« Reply #125 on: Yesterday at 10:39:49 am »
In the video, I see a 60MHz signal on a 350MHz Siglent Oszi, which is very flat at the top. Shouldn't it look like the pictures?

Is a filter switched on?

You're on the right path - it has something to do with filtering:

The textbook shows a theoretical scenario, where a square wave is restricted to a certain number of harmonics. To achieve this in any practical scenario, we would need a brickwall filter, i.e. zero attenuation in the passband with no ripple together with an abrupt transition into the stopband, which in turn has indefinite attenuation. Needless to say, that such a filter cannot exist in the real world.

In practice, high order digital filters can come close to a brickwall characteristic. However, this is not the kind of filter characteristic you'd find in a genuine oscilloscope frontend, which is supposed to have Gaussian response, which is the exact opposite to a brickwall. For reasons not discussed here, high bandwidth DSOs often have a butterworth characteristic, which is still nothing even remotely close to a brickwall.

Long story short: use a steep digital filter to define the bandwidth, then you'll get something distorted close to what is shown the textbook. Use a genuine oscilloscope frontend with its Gaussian (or Butterworth) characteristic, and you get a relatively undistorted waveform with reasonably flat pulse top.

Look at the attached screenshot, where you can compare a 350 MHz bandwidth limit with Gaussian resonse to a digtital high order FIR filter with also 350 MHz...
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Offline gf

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Re: New Siglent AWG: SDG3000X
« Reply #126 on: Yesterday at 11:54:49 am »
Defpom has a good look at a SDG3202X, gets stuck on a few features and provides some good feedback for changes Siglent might consider implementing.

In the video, I see a 60MHz signal on a 350MHz Siglent Oszi, which is very flat at the top. Shouldn't it look like the pictures?

It's a matter of rise time. The specified 3-4.5ns rise time of the SDG3000X was obviously a design decision to keep the overshoot below the specified 3-5%. And the 60MHz limit was obviously chosen to ensure a period of >= 4x rise time (so that it still looks a bit "rectangular" and does not degrade to a sine wave at the maximum frequency).
 

Offline Kurt_!

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Re: New Siglent AWG: SDG3000X
« Reply #127 on: Yesterday at 12:27:45 pm »
Performa01's image looks much better.
I also don't know what the red haze is supposed to mean.
Ascent time is another criterion, as I've also tested (pulse)!
Mine shows very subtle irregularities. (No Siglent equipment)

I'm glad to see this mentioned here, that you don't have to own every piece of equipment....
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Re: New Siglent AWG: SDG3000X
« Reply #128 on: Yesterday at 12:56:44 pm »
Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to say anything bad!
Just curious.
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