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Offline darkstar49

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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #125 on: June 03, 2019, 04:15:27 pm »
Get a used Agilent 7000 series. unlock it... for 5K you will have a top end machine with a humonguous screen , deep memory and 4 samplers ( as opposed to many other older dso's that interleave their samplers to save costs .. )
bonus: if you get an MSO type device you can do mixed signal as well.

If you 'unlock' it, you've got MSO...  :-*.
All 6000 and 7000 have the MSO hardware, whatever the model, only the 5000 not.
 

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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #126 on: June 03, 2019, 04:41:08 pm »
Hello,

free_electron wrote "Get a used Agilent 7000 series".

This can not be MSO/DSO705xB, 710xB: 4 GSa/sec half channel*, 2 GSa/sec each channel
Memory depth 2 channels/4 channels
Standard 8 Mpts/4 Mpts

What scope do you mean?

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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #127 on: June 03, 2019, 05:02:09 pm »
Get a used Agilent 7000 series. unlock it... for 5K you will have a top end machine with a humonguous screen , deep memory and 4 samplers ( as opposed to many other older dso's that interleave their samplers to save costs .. )
bonus: if you get an MSO type device you can do mixed signal as well.
I used to own an Agilent DSO/MSO7000 series. It is quite noisy (even with bandwidth limit on) and rather cumbersome to operate if you want to setup things like decoding.
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #128 on: June 03, 2019, 06:11:05 pm »
free_electron wrote "Get a used Agilent 7000 series".

This can not be MSO/DSO705xB, 710xB: 4 GSa/sec half channel*, 2 GSa/sec each channel
Memory depth 2 channels/4 channels
Standard 8 Mpts/4 Mpts

yup. those. they have 4 a/d converters running at 2Gs/s . in 2 channel mode they interleave two converters to get double rate. I personally use a 7104 as my daily workhorse. It is very responsive , has a large screen ,works with most of the infiniium active probes , has protocol decoders , sufficient memory and fast update rate. It does not need to boot from a harddisk or run some operating system that gets in the way and slows down the machine (like lecroy and RS)
( it does , it runs vxworks , but boots from flash in a few seconds and you don't know there is an OS running. It follows good ol Agilent philosophy : do things in hardware)

This is different from having only 2 converters and interleaving channels. Those kind of machines (can) lie to you ( like the TDS5xx series from tek ) as they sample one channel , then on the next trigger sample the other. so what you see on the screen is taken from two different time origins ! this only works on repetitive signals. and you can forget about catching glitches...

in old analog scopes you could run in alt or chop mode but many of the early generation digital scopes ran in alt mode only. And that is VERY dangerous as the time correlation is lost.
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #129 on: June 03, 2019, 08:48:36 pm »
where do you get it at $5K. i checked in ebay MSO7104B 1GHz 4GSps currently cheapest is $8K, normally $12K

is this what you mean?

well it should be nicer if they interleaved it to 16GSps @ 1CH.
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #130 on: June 03, 2019, 09:15:33 pm »
where do you get it at $5K. i checked in ebay MSO7104B 1GHz 4GSps currently cheapest is $8K, normally $12K

is this what you mean?

well it should be nicer if they interleaved it to 16GSps @ 1CH.
Yeah, make it 16Gs @ 1ch with 2 Terasample of memory per channel and all for the low price of 99.99$ , but wait , if you order now we will double the memory, just pay shipping and handling ...

You should be able to find a 350Mhz version of that machine for around 5k. ( A version,not B version )
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #131 on: June 03, 2019, 09:27:36 pm »
thats funny... make it $49.99 or... 500GHz ($17/GHz)  :scared:
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #132 on: June 03, 2019, 09:42:08 pm »
If you need the bandwidth... 204MXi for $4.5k.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153435599160

I found some DSO7034/7054 for more than $6k and above, thus it may be a matter of patience.
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #133 on: June 03, 2019, 10:25:02 pm »
where do you get it at $5K. i checked in ebay MSO7104B 1GHz 4GSps currently cheapest is $8K, normally $12K
That is insane. These should go for between the $3k and $4k mark. None have sold during the past 3 months so it is another case of delirious Ebay sellers. And besides that I'm not sure it is the best buy as a general purpose oscilloscope.
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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #134 on: June 03, 2019, 11:11:59 pm »
If you need the bandwidth... 204MXi for $4.5k.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153435599160

I found some DSO7034/7054 for more than $6k and above, thus it may be a matter of patience.

Notice the missing knobs.  Just like mine, they fell off.   To be fair LeCroy did send me a new set free of charge and they are much tighter.   These cases are not at all what I would expect from LeCroy. 

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Re: Nice, older DSO advice
« Reply #135 on: June 04, 2019, 04:26:22 am »
where do you get it at $5K. i checked in ebay MSO7104B 1GHz 4GSps currently cheapest is $8K, normally $12K
That is insane. These should go for between the $3k and $4k mark. None have sold during the past 3 months so it is another case of delirious Ebay sellers. And besides that I'm not sure it is the best buy as a general purpose oscilloscope.

Couldn't agree more... the 6000 & 7000 were nice scopes, but they don't keep up with the 3000X, which typically sells for less...
Most of the 7000 models are ridiculously priced, and have been on Ebay for years (not months... years !!!)
 


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