Rigol DS2000 Hardware version 2.0

[PA0PBZ]

This is a DS2072 (or more a DS2202 now) with version 2.0 hardware.
Looks like they are going to use the empty spot in the version 1 hardware to make a D model with Logic Analyzer included, and while they were designing the new pcb the input channels got reworked too. Unfortunately it doesn't look like something you can populate at home...

Warning, large pictures!

[cybernet]

and jtag is there - nize one ;-)

[Carrington]

Find the differences. The Game.  

Apart from the obvious, noting:

  - Red: Removed, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmh1980.pdf
    https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg266933/#msg266933
    https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg267243/#msg267243

  - Blue: Add, I do not know what is, but I have an idea (A kind of comparator / level translator or a simple digital buffer). 

  - There are also changes in the DC/DC power, it look better, but these changes will introduce less noise?
     What is behind, in the other side of the pcb? And I am not sure, but I think there are also changes in the PSU. 

  - To the input stage has been added a 50 ohm terminator (and other relay). 


Wow, they had designed it before the 2012/10/29.
LA connector is a PCI-E!


Thanks for the pictures to David L. Jones and PA0PBZ

[Carrington]

PA0PBZ, you can select the 50 Ohm option?
Can you upload an image of the LA zone with more resolution?
I assume that this new version will have a new "line" for firmware.

[Carrington]

Where is this (see DC-DC_B.jpg)?  Is it in the new PSU?
And where is this (see DC-DC_A.jpg)? In the other side of the pcb?

[Carrington]

It seems that I write this post myself, LOL, but:

I've noticed that with the series DS2A1527XXXXX RIGOL not only changed the probes.

UberSteve: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg263616/#msg263616
Serial: DS2A15270XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02 (latest I believe?)
Hardware version: 1.0.1.0.0

Leonard Tatzig: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol%27s-internal-i2c-bus/msg269946/#msg269946
Serial: DS2A1527XXXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

Carrington: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg264041/#msg264041
DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
DS2A1527xxxxx (Week 27, 2013) -> RP3300A


David's DS2202 is the 1.0 version, without further ado?
If so, them, we don't have images of the version 1.0.1.0.0. -> Someone like to volunteer?

[PA0PBZ]

PA0PBZ, you can select the 50 Ohm option?

No, it is on the screen in the CH menu but it is fixed at 1M. Not surprisingly because the firmware is the same as the version 1 hardware.

Can you upload an image of the LA zone with more resolution?

Yes, I will do that when I get home tonight. The scope is still in exploded view. 

[Carrington]

PA0PBZ, you can select the 50 Ohm option?

No, it is on the screen in the CH menu but it is fixed at 1M. Not surprisingly because the firmware is the same as the version 1 hardware.

Wow, fixed... 

Can you upload an image of the LA zone with more resolution?

Yes, I will do that when I get home tonight. The scope is still in exploded view. 

Thank you!
If you can take another picture of the PSU and the other side of the main board, would be great. 

[ElectroIrradiator]

Maybe someone should give them a friendly poke and suggest they turn those heat sinks the right way up, now they are at it...

[PA0PBZ]

Maybe someone should give them a friendly poke and suggest they turn those heat sinks the right way up, now they are at it...

Well, there's a fan on one of the sides, so...

[ElectroIrradiator]

Well, there's a fan on one of the sides, so...

Fair enough, didn't know that.

[PA0PBZ]

The virgin LA pcb.

[PA0PBZ]

And the PSU.

[PA0PBZ]

Although it looks like there is a 50 Ohm termination in the input channel now, it is not selectable in the menu, it is greyed out.

[Carrington]

There are changes in the PSU to, but are minimal.
I wonder what's behind the mainboard, but surely there are others eight channels for the LA, at least the traces from the connector to what looks like a comparator.

[tinhead]

well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.

[Carrington]

well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.

I do not know, but at the moment it only has a stub at the input. But I don't think that it affects for a BW of 200 MHz.

[PA0PBZ]

well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.

Maybe, but the models are not on the market yet so there will be no firmware available, this one still runs on the hardware version 1 firmware. I wonder if you have the same non-functional 1M input button on that hardware...?

[Carrington]

well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.

Maybe, but the models are not on the market yet so there will be no firmware available, this one still runs on the hardware version 1 firmware. I wonder if you have the same non-functional 1M input button on that hardware...?

Yes, my HW version 1.0.1.0.0, is also fixed to 1M.

Now, this is my doubt:  Anyone know how many versions of HW exist until today's date?
And if this sequence of HW is correct (1.0 -> 1.0.1.0.0 -> 2.0), have the 1.0.1.0.0 version the internal 50 ohm termination too?


Okay I think I have the answer, just two HW version: 1.0.1.0.0 -> 2.0.
And I have the feeling that in the 2.0 Ver. they have improved the PSU and DC/DC parts.

[Carrington]

After reviewing the new main board for RIGOL DS2000 (HW Ver. 2.0). I think than this M.B is valid for, DS2000-S, DS2000-D, and then too for a possible DS2000-[DS or SD or ?] (ie whit LA and Function Gen.).

[PA0PBZ]

Interesting, there is something about 50 Ohm and 1M ohm in the latest firmware, however on screen it shows the Ohm symbol, not the tekst 'Ohm'

Code: [Select]

........CH1....5
0ohm............
....0.........l.
....$...........
................
......1Mohm.....


[Carrington]

This is a comparison between the two hardware versions.
Type of test: Noise floor.
Results for hardware ver. 1.0.1.0.0:

(1):

1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and, only CH1 on.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC,  Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=500us, Trigger level=0V.
4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.


(2):

1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and only CH1 on.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC,  Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=2ns, Trigger level=between 500uV and 600uV
4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.

In red, trigger level, find the worst case.

[Monkey]

This is a comparison between the two hardware versions.
Type of test: Noise floor.
Results of Hardware Ver. 1.0.1.0.0:

(1):

1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and, only on CH1.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC,  Adquire=Normal, Men=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time= 500us, Trigger level=0V.
4. Cursor On, mode Y, Set cursor to the maximum of the signal, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf.


(2):

1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and only on CH1.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC,  Adquire=Normal, Men=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time= 2ns, Trigger level= between 500uV and 600uV
4. Cursor On, mode Y, Set cursor to the maximum of the signal, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf.

In red, (Trigger level) Find the worst case.

Hi all I also have attached 2 pics with the above setting on my DS2072 V2.0 Hardware.

[Carrington]

Hi Monkey, thank you very much!
Wow, is very similar. But playing with the trigger you do not get something like this?

[Monkey]

Hi Carrington, moving the trigger between 500 to 600 and I get very much the same results of my pic2.

[Carrington]

Hi Carrington, moving the trigger between 500 to 600 and I get very much the same results of my pic2.

Ok, thank.
Anyone else have a similar result? 

[PA0PBZ]

Hi,

My result for (1) is the same, just a little bit less amplitude.

For (2) I can't set the trigger higher than 400uV otherwise it does not trigger. When measuring the top cursor is at 600uV, the bottom one at -700uV so total 1.3mV

[Carrington]

Hi PA0PBZ, thank. 
Curious! Then yours (H.W. ver. 2.0) has a little less noise.

[Mr Simpleton]

Took delivery of a DS2072 today...
Must have been NOS (new old stock) as it has H/W rev1 produced in week 20.
Pity I did not see this thread when ordering...

As for noisefloor, loooks pretty much what all the other have

[Carrington]

Thanks Mr Simpleton, this results seem to be very similar to mine.
Anyone with HW version 2.0 please make this "test".

[PA0PBZ]

My Pictures 

(1) Is now the same as the others, (2) shows a bit less noise and the trigger is set to 500uV, it triggers about once every second. Above 500uV it does not trigger at all.

[PA0PBZ]

Still fooling around with the 50 Ohm option, found this SCPI in the firmware:

Code: [Select]

.RES.DATA....CHANnel.CHAN....BWLimi
t.BWL.BWLimit?....BWL?....COUPling.
...COUP....COUPling?...COUP?...IMPe
dance...IMP.IMPedance?..IMP?....SCA
:CHAN1:IMP? returns 0MEG, and I have not found a way to change it via SCPI, tried several variations of CHAN1:IMP 50... but nothing.

[tinhead]

try CHAN1:IMP FIFTY

[PA0PBZ]

try CHAN1:IMP FIFTY

I will as soon as I hook it up again, but the return value of 0MEG doesn't give much hope anyway.

[tinhead]

try CHAN1:IMP FIFTY

I will as soon as I hook it up again, but the return value of 0MEG doesn't give much hope anyway.

it is "OMEG", not "0MEG" and it is exactly what the firmware have to return. The "FIFTY" is another one possible value in the firmware.

[PA0PBZ]

it is "OMEG", not "0MEG" and it is exactly what the firmware have to return. The "FIFTY" is another one possible value in the firmware.

Yes, it is 0MEG, but if it was a working command it should have returned 1MEG isn't it?

[tinhead]

it will return what has been coded into the firmware, and when you look inside you will find "OMEG" and "FIFTY".
The "O" in "OMEG" menas nothing else than "one", so everything fine. Sure, 1MEG could be good as well, but the number "1" in string is probably what they tried to avoid.

[PA0PBZ]

Yeah, I found it too. Thanks for the suggestion and I will try it and let you know.

[Carrington]

My Pictures 

(1) Is now the same as the others, (2) shows a bit less noise and the trigger is set to 500uV, it triggers about once every second. Above 500uV it does not trigger at all.

Thanks, as we see all the results are very similar, but you have forced the trigger a little true?
Well, no matter.

[Carrington]

it will return what has been coded into the firmware, and when you look inside you will find "OMEG" and "FIFTY".
The "O" in "OMEG" menas nothing else than "one", so everything fine. Sure, 1MEG could be good as well, but the number "1" in string is probably what they tried to avoid.

Do you use a Hex viewer to see directly inside the gel file? Snoopers, LOL...
Do you have a idea of where is keep the serial number? And how change it?

[true]

Do you use a Hex viewer to see directly inside the gel file? Snoopers, LOL...

can use strings, or an editor yes

Do you have a idea of where is keep the serial number? And how change it?

I would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.

[Carrington]

I would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.

Not stored in the FRAM?
I can't do the dump via JTAG, becasue I don't have the equipment for do it. 

[true]

I would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.

Not stored in the FRAM?
I can't do the dump via JTAG, becasue I don't have the equipment for do it. 

No; probably in the NAND.

Figuring out anything else hidden needs a good dump

[bluesmoke]

Then serial must be in nand. Studio25 wrote 0's and ff to the fram and it didn't change the serial.
Unfortunately I don't have the tools to do a jtag dump either. I would love to get my serial back too!

[Carrington]

This is very interesting, it reminds me to the "jumpers" of the DS4000, but it is less obvious.

[Carrington]

DS2000 Memory.

[PA0PBZ]

This is very interesting, it reminds me to the "jumpers" of the DS4000, but it is less obvious.

I browsed my pictures and found a little bit better one, you can see clearly that it is 2 rows and the jumpers are smd (resistors?)

[Carrington]

Ha ha, they are not in the same position. What the hell change this? 

[PA0PBZ]

Ha ha, they are not in the same position.

That's the whole idea behind jumpers isn't it? 

[Carrington]

"Elementary My Dear Watson" 
No one has noticed this before?
Have more pictures from other DS2000s would be nice. 

[PA0PBZ]

 

[Carrington]

I see, but where is the trick? I mean, what did you do?

[PA0PBZ]

I see, but where is the trick? I mean, what did you do?

SCPI command: CHAN1:IMP FIFTY for 50 Ohm and CHAN1:IMP OMEG for 1 Meg.
Or if you prefer the other channel: CHAN2: ...

Now to enable it on the front panel, that is another story of course.

[Carrington]

With future versions of firmware, I guess you could do it from the front panel as well. 


I think that here is stored the serial number:
  † A3P015 and A3P030 devices do not support this feature.
http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/fpga/proasic3-e#design-resources
http://www.actel.com/documents/PA3_DS.pdf


I need a JTAG, but I have no desire to go crazy looking for the best value for money for a JTAG.
Any recommendation, please send me a PM, thanks.

[Mr Simpleton]

Paul, where did you get your scope from??
When I asked my supplier why I got a rev 1, he said Rigol.eu did not have any v2 in stock and did not know when it would ship!

Seems do-able to stuff a relay and resistor at the input, but what circuit do the switching??
Not having 50 ohm on my new scope is like have a pebble in my shoe 

But honestly could just do as good with a 50 ohm feed thru load.

[JimmyMz]

I need a JTAG, but I have no desire to go crazy looking for the best value for money for a JTAG.
Any recommendations.

http://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml

[Carrington]

JimmyMz: Thanks for the recommendation. 

[Gallymimus]

Paul, where did you get your scope from??
When I asked my supplier why I got a rev 1, he said Rigol.eu did not have any v2 in stock and did not know when it would ship!

Seems do-able to stuff a relay and resistor at the input, but what circuit do the switching??
Not having 50 ohm on my new scope is like have a pebble in my shoe 

But honestly could just do as good with a 50 ohm feed thru load.

Seriously just buy 50 ohm terminators.  Sure it sucks but it's hardly a problem.

[PA0PBZ]

Paul, where did you get your scope from??
When I asked my supplier why I got a rev 1, he said Rigol.eu did not have any v2 in stock and did not know when it would ship!

I bought it locally on July 30, when I called them they said they just had a new shipment in. The sticker on the box says it was shipped from Rigol EU in Germany on the 25th.

[ElectroIrradiator]

PA0PBZ,

Are you able to measure the actual input impedance of the V2.0 hardware in 50 ohm mode, using a VNA or some other suitable tool, please?

The original input is 1M || 16pF, and if they just slapped the 50 ohm across the input, then the 16 pF may still be there. That would create a rather wonky impedance mismatch above 50 MHz or so, not good in many situations.

[PA0PBZ]

Unfortunately I don't have a VNA, only a scalar one. But I can do a return loss on my SA, see the attachment.

[tom66]

Ugh. Do I spot CapXon on that power supply?
I have pulled and replaced hundreds of those absolutely abysmal capacitors.

EPCOS = So-so
CapXon = Terrible

Why Rigol, why? Clearly no care to keep instruments functioning long past the warranty period.

[Carrington]

tom66: What brand do you recommend for replace them? 

[ElectroIrradiator]

Unfortunately I don't have a VNA, only a scalar one. But I can do a return loss on my SA, see the attachment.

Thanks, that should do nicely.

However, if my algebra isn't completely off, then it very much looks like Rigol simply connects a 50 ohm resistor across the input, as you would expect. If we assume the real parts of the load and source impedances are both 50 ohm, and with no reactances in the source impedance, then I get an input impedance of about 50 -j29 ohm at 300MHz. That is equivalent to 50 ohm || 18 pF.

That would make it a bit of a challenge to make a 'flat' active probe design, good to 200 MHz. Hmm, maybe I should buy a DS2072 DS2202 and try to make one...

[tom66]

tom66: What brand do you recommend for replace them? 

Any of Panasonic (FR, FM, FC), Rubycon (YXF, ZLH, ZLJ, ZLK), Nichicon (PW, PM), United Chemicon (KY).
From best to very good.

[PA0PBZ]

Yeah, from what I see on the frontend pcb it's just a relay switching the 50 ohm resistor across the input, so your math is probably ok. But please keep in mind that it is not possible to switch the input to 50 ohm using the channel menu on the scope, it is not functional yet so who knows what they are up to.
And any excuse to buy one of these will do 

[Wim13]

Well on hardware version 1.01, i can switch it on, 50 ohm, BUT is not there,
input measure still 1 Mohm....

[Carrington]

Any of Panasonic (FR, FM, FC), Rubycon (YXF, ZLH, ZLJ, ZLK), Nichicon (PW, PM), United Chemicon (KY).
From best to very good.

Thanks, I take note.

[staze]

Anyone happen to know if HW 2 is out in the US yet, or is that what they're referring to as the 2000A series?

[Carrington]

Anyone happen to know if HW 2 is out in the US yet or is that what they're referring to as the 2000A series?

Yes, I think. And far as I know DS2000A=DS2000

[staze]

Anyone happen to know if HW 2 is out in the US yet or is that what they're referring to as the 2000A series?

Yes, I think. And far as I know DS2000A=DS2000

Okay. At least as far as tequipment.net is concerned, they're not available in the states yet (late October). =/ Boo!

[tom66]

Is the only major feature the 50 ohm terminator? Any improvements to things like noise floor?

[PA0PBZ]

Is the only major feature the 50 ohm terminator? Any improvements to things like noise floor?

Noise floor measurements did not reveal any difference, and even the 50 ohm terminator is not accessible in the normal (menu) way, so I'd say there is no difference at all between the hardware versions for the user. Inside it is a different story, apart from the terminator there is room for the LA and FG on the pcb, so there will probably be S and D models sometime in the future.

[Carrington]

Yes, but if you can choose Which you want? 1.0 or 2.0? 
Now, I do not know, but who knows in the future. 

[tom66]

But from what I've seen, the LA is a large FPGA+buffers, not easily modded in later, and the FG probably won't be a user-accessible add on. So I can't see any difference myself?

[Carrington]

But from what I've seen, the LA is a large FPGA+buffers, not easily modded in later, and the FG probably won't be a user-accessible add on. So I can't see any difference myself?

And how about the new routing on the PCB or the new arrangement of components and small parts that have been added or removed.

Devil is in the details.

[Hydrawerk]

Where will the function generator be located?? Will there be an added PCB?

[staze]

So, anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed? I see the 50R termination option, and seemingly a header for an LA... anything else?

Trying to figure out if I should just buy a 2072 now, or wait for the rev 2. I do plan to "hack" it.

Thanks!

[Carrington]

So, anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed? I see the 50R termination option, and seemingly a header for an LA... anything else?

Trying to figure out if I should just buy a 2072 now, or wait for the rev 2. I do plan to "hack" it.

Thanks!

"Anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed?" Please, read the full topic.


You can not wait. -> Go for the DS2000. -> You might regret. -> Maybe.
You can wait. -> For some time you can choose. ->

DS2000 can be expanded in the future. -> NO. -> You might regret. -> Maybe.
DS2000A can be expanded in the future. -> Maybe only the AWG, not the LA. -> If it is not possible. -> You tried.

DS2000 ->
DS2000A -> HW improved. -> More than probable.

DS2000 can be hacked. ->  Yes.
DS2000A can be hacked. -> Yes. Not yet

[flolic]

DS2000A has a potential for eventual future hardware upgrades. Other than that it's the same.
I ordered old hardware version few days ago and expecting it to arrive in a day or two. I don't need LA and AWG.
I didn't want to wait for a new version.

DS2000A -> HW improved. -> More than probable.

That's the real question. Is it improvement or cost cutting?

[Hydrawerk]

Ugh. Do I spot CapXon on that power supply?
I have pulled and replaced hundreds of those absolutely abysmal capacitors.

EPCOS = So-so
CapXon = Terrible

Why Rigol, why? Clearly no care to keep instruments functioning long past the warranty period.

Is it improvement or cost cutting?

I am afraid of cost cutting.

[arvidj]

Just a data point ...

Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.

It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.

After unpacking it ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

After doing the [Trigger menu][Menu7][Menu6][Menu7][Utility][System][System Info] it now says ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02
Hardware version: 1.0.2.0.0
FPGA version:
     SPU 03.01.05
     WPU 00.06.05
     CCU 12.29.00
     MCU 00.05

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows Trial Version 2076Minute
          NthEdge Trial Version 2076Minute
          HDTV    Trial Version 2076Minute
          Delay   Trial Version 2076Minute
          Timeout Trial Version 2076Minute
          Dur     Trial Version 2076Minute
          USB     Trial Version 2076Minute
DECODE    RS232   Trial Version 2076Minute
          SPI     Trial Version 2076Minute
          I2C     Trial Version 2076Minute
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Trial Version 2076Minute

And after the adjustment:

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows        Official Version
          NthEdge        Official Version
          HDTV           Official Version
          Delay          Official Version
          Timeout        Official Version
          Dur            Official Version
          USB            Official Version
DECODE    RS232          Official Version
          SPI            Official Version
          I2C            Official Version
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M        Official Version
BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth Official Version
BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth Official Version


I want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this possible 

[staze]

Just a data point ...

Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.

It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.

After unpacking it ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

[Carrington]

Just a data point ...

Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.

It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.

After unpacking it ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

After doing the [Trigger menu][Menu7][Menu6][Menu7][Utility][System][System Info] it now says ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02
Hardware version: 1.0.2.0.0
FPGA version:
     SPU 03.01.05
     WPU 00.06.05
     CCU 12.29.00
     MCU 00.05

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows Trial Version 2076Minute
          NthEdge Trial Version 2076Minute
          HDTV    Trial Version 2076Minute
          Delay   Trial Version 2076Minute
          Timeout Trial Version 2076Minute
          Dur     Trial Version 2076Minute
          USB     Trial Version 2076Minute
DECODE    RS232   Trial Version 2076Minute
          SPI     Trial Version 2076Minute
          I2C     Trial Version 2076Minute
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Trial Version 2076Minute

And after the adjustment:

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows        Official Version
          NthEdge        Official Version
          HDTV           Official Version
          Delay          Official Version
          Timeout        Official Version
          Dur            Official Version
          USB            Official Version
DECODE    RS232          Official Version
          SPI            Official Version
          I2C            Official Version
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M        Official Version
BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth Official Version
BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth Official Version


I want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this possible 

What is "Dur"? Never heard of it! Ok is duration, sorry. Identify a trigger condition by looking for the duration of a specified pattern.

[arvidj]

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

[staze]

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

Awesomesauce. Thanks!

[staze]

Sorry, just confirming since Rigen 2b1 seems to want me to use DSAZ rather than DSA9. You used DSA9, or DSAZ?

[staze]

Just used Rigen 2b1 with DSAZ and it worked perfectly. Serial number intact, shows as a DS2202 now, all options installed.

Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.

[arvidj]

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

I see that DSAZ is recommended as only turns on DS2202 and 200MHz.

DSA9 is not recommended as it turns on both DS2102 and DS2202 plus both 100MHz and 200MHz.

Does anyone know what issues I can expect by having used DSA9 and having "everything" turned on?

And the obvious follow on question ... How would I change it to DSAZ? The obvious answer ... "Generate a new key for DSAZ and enter it." did not appear make any difference to what was displayed in the options as both "BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth" and "BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth" are displayed. I also tried a key for DSAA in an effort to set it back to a plain Jane 2072 and nothing happened. I am left with the impression that "you can't easily go back".

It seems to have gotten the model part right as the System Info shows "Model: DS2202".

[monstr]

Just used Rigen 2b1 with DSAZ and it worked perfectly. Serial number intact, shows as a DS2202 now, all options installed.

Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.

Hi!

Warning to users with Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.
I think all of the functions are open except for proper operation 56mb.
Up to 14/7 options correctly, 56/28 - is not correct.
In auto mode 56/28 no picks. In manual mode, recording only two frames.

Back in 2072 does not work.


Excuse my English, translated by Google translator.

[Teneyes]

HWarning to users with Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.
I think all of the functions are open except for proper operation 56mb.
Up to 14/7 options correctly, 56/28 - is not correct.
In auto mode 56/28 no picks. In manual mode, recording only two frames.
Back in 2072 does not work.

@ Monstr  You may wish to check the Table  EDIT 4 in this post
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg158659/#msg158659

56Mpts ,one Channel only

[monstr]

56Mpts ,one Channel only

Thank you, after I re-read, it is now clear.
Then again, does not correspond. Edit5:
The device does not want to write long sweep.
This is the norm, or feature HW ver 2?
AND  'Samples' option only "Real Time" mode.

Sorry for the novice questions.

[Teneyes]

Then again, does not correspond. Edit5:
The device does not want to write long sweep.
This is the norm, or feature HW ver 2?
AND  'Samples' option only "Real Time" mode.

Good question

Yes, In Section 10-3 in the manual states the limits for recording
Is this the limit,   

3. Interval
Set the time interval between the frames in waveform record and the range available is
from 100 ns to 10 s.

But If you set to 199ms/dev Record will work

[monstr]

Thank you very much!This is my first digital oscilloscope, I am learning to understand its capabilities.Good luck! 

[monstr]

Hi!
Again, the question arose.
In the photo measurement PCI_CLK 33MHz laptop.
One point of measurement, but different bandwidth limit (BW Limit).
Testimony is not reliable at the range above 20MHz - BW Limit.
Any channel, either probe (RP3300A).
Am I doing something wrong or is the problem of the input block?
Or is it a consequence of updating the program in 2072 to 2202?

[PA0PBZ]

I don't really see a problem with the scope here.

A) The waveform in the first 2 pictures looks distorted but that is no surprise looking at where your ground connection is, it should be as short as possible and as close to the probe pin as possible. Look at these little springs you can slide over the probe.

B) The waveform with 20Mhz bandwidth looks better because you filter out the higher frequencies: looking at the top of the waveform in the first picture the extra 'wave' looks like 10ns duration -> 100Mhz.

[monstr]

Thank you for your response PA0PBZ.
But unfortunately the change point of mass does not affect the reading.
As expected, since the mass of laptops is present throughout the system board as one of the layers of a multilayer PCB.
I suspect that the digital input filter was originally set to range up to 70 MHz, and beyond it is working no correctly.
Maybe I'm wrong and this is a common mistake inexperienced users ...

If possible, please make sure that someone in their own terms.
Or please select another possible for my mistakes.

[PA0PBZ]

Watch this:

[monstr]

Thank you, I get it .....

[Kobus]

PA0PBZ mentioned the springs that came with the DS2000 probes.

I've been wondering how they are supposed to be used.
What situations are they designed for ?

[PA0PBZ]

PA0PBZ mentioned the springs that came with the DS2000 probes.

I've been wondering how they are supposed to be used.
What situations are they designed for ?

Please watch the youtube I posted above, I could not explain it any better than that.
But in short, it is to minimize the length of the earth path of the probe.

[Digital Corpus]

This is a comparison between the two hardware versions.
Type of test: Noise floor.
Results for hardware ver. 1.0.1.0.0:

(1):

1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and, only CH1 on.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC,  Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=500us, Trigger level=0V.
4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.


(2):

1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and only CH1 on.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC,  Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=2ns, Trigger level=between 500uV and 600uV
4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.

In red, trigger level, find the worst case.

My results are slightly worse than yours, ~2mV delta for both tests, though I've entered a DSHH key for 300 MHz. I have a trigger hat just like yours too. I have screens if you want to see.

[Electro Fan]

Watch this:

Does anyone have any favorite probes, or probe accessory kits, that provide a good flexible set of short length ground attachments?  Could be new or used.  Doesn't need to be super high bandwidth (something suitable for the DS2072).  Thanks

[AintBigAintClever]

This is a good a place for this info as any.  I've just had to repair my DS2072A-S and needed to probe these out.

Rigol LPS-SMPS80
Voltages with load connected
(viewed from wire end of plug, or looking down at the PCB, latch is adjacent to pin 11)

Voltage	Colour	Pin	Pin	Colour	Voltage
Ground	Black	8	1	Black	Ground
-20.25V	Grey	9	2	Orange	/Power On
+7.5V	Yellow	10	3	Yellow	+7.5V
+5V SB	White	11	4	Green	-7.8V
+17.5V	Blue	12	5	Brown	--
+5.5V	Red	13	6	Red	+5.5V
Ground	Black	14	7	Black	Ground

DS2000 FGBoard Function Generator Daughterboard Connector
(pin 1 closest to centre of motherboard)

Voltage	Pin	Pin	Voltage
Ground	1	2	+5.5V
Ground	3	4	+5.5V
	5	6
	7	8
	9	10
	11	12
Ground	13	14	-7.8V
Ground	15	16	+7.5V
Ground	17	18	-20.25V
Ground	19	20	+17.5V