Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[Performa01]

So what are the reasons that go into not selling a certain product in other region's? Easier to sell less models? Less red tape ? Or something money related to exports or competition rules??

Different marketing strategies for different countries. Expectations and requirements can be different.
Example: Siglent decided that a scope with less than 100 MHz bandwidth will not be accepted hence cannot be a commercial success in the western world.

Agreements with western partners. If a Chinese company gets support in certain key technologies from a western brand, there can be restrictions for selling these outside China.
Example: Siglent is not allowed to sell the SDS3000X outside China, because this is sold by LeCroy as Wavesurfer 3000Z throughout the rest of the world.

I guess they all have the same hardware tho.

Mostly so, but not always. There can be HW-differences between China and the rest of the world, as well as HW-differences within a product line.

Example 1: SDS6000A (international) has different HW than SDS6000 H10/12 Pro (China).
Example 2: SDS5034X (350 MHz) has different HW than SDS5054X (500 MHz).

[teddychn]

I find the trigger jitter was specified 100ps. At the beginning, I assume it's a typo. But comparing the 2000X's 10ps-rms, they might specified in different ways. Doesn't know if they are on the similar level.

[2N3055]

I find the trigger jitter was specified 100ps. At the beginning, I assume it's a typo. But comparing the 2000X's 10ps-rms, they might specified in different ways. Doesn't know if they are on the similar level.

Trigger point is interpolated.. It's resolution will be influenced by vertical resolution (vertical part of the slope), sample rate (horizontal part of the slope), interpolated timing resolution (internal math representation) that will be dependent on timebase available....
It's fastest timebase is 2ns/div (opposed to 2000X+ 500ps/div) and worst sample rate is 250MS/s... So factor 10x doesn't seem unrealistic...

But... on my SDS2000X HD I get trigger jitter in hystogram to be about 220 fs RMS (yes , femtoseconds !!).... That is best case scenario, super fast edge, fastest timebase, single channel...
I can see that worst case could be 10ps RMS.
BY same token I presume whatever the spec for SDS1000X HD is going to be very conservative worst case spec... and could be 100ps...

Which by the way is spectacular anyways if you think about it.......

[nimish]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805212875769.html

~$1500-2000 for 200MHz

[BillyO]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805212875769.html

~$1500-2000 for 200MHz

Hmmmm...  A bit higher than I was hoping for.  But still not available at my local guy.  Will reserve judgement until then.

[MathWizard]

For me today, that link says it's 65% off from $6441CAD, to $2254 =~1575USD.

I really hope that aren't +$2000, the SDS2104Xplus is ~1900CAD+tax

[2N3055]

For me today, that link says it's 65% off from $6441CAD, to $2254 =~1575USD.

I really hope that aren't +$2000, the SDS2104Xplus is ~1900CAD+tax

Word of advice, don't buy a scope that is not released to your market yet..
And buy locally and get propper after sales support.
Just my 2c...

[tautech]

For me today, that link says it's 65% off from $6441CAD, to $2254 =~1575USD.

I really hope that aren't +$2000, the SDS2104X Plus is ~1900CAD+tax

For which, a free BW upgrade to SDS2204X Plus is available until end of October.
We already know SDS2104X Plus -3dB point is some 185 MHz therefore the free BW upgrade will push that a good bit higher.
A 1200USD saving !

[Martin72]

Hmmmm...  A bit higher than I was hoping for.  But still not available at my local guy.  Will reserve judgement until then.

My bet still stands...

[BillyO]

My bet still stands...

I think the pricing will different than the SDS2000X+ otherwise they will just be competing with themselves on two current models.  The question then becomes will it be higher or lower.  I'm hoping for lower.  For sure I don't want them to differentiate it by lowering the price of the SDS2000X+, even though I got mine on sale.

[Martin72]

I remember the situation before the 2000X HD was launched in the rest of the world.
Not less said the prices in china are higher, you won´t pay the same.
But they were wrong...
As the HD was offered by batronix I had two possibilities for the money.
Buying the HD or the 350Mhz SDS5000X(you still have the choice for the money).
Buying 12 bit or 8 bit.
Buying max 2GSa/s or 5GSa/s.
Buying 100Mhz or 350Mhz.
The rest is history...You guys know what I´ve done.
But:
If someone have to make a decision between 1000X HD and 2000xplus because they cost nearly the same, this would be hard...

[loop55]

The SDS1000XHD can be cracked to 200MHz,But I have no way to test the actual bandwidth.

[tautech]

The SDS1000XHD can be cracked to 200MHz,But I have no way to test the actual bandwidth.

Yes but that's not the full picture.
I've made mine a SDS1104X HD then back to SDS1204X HD.

Have you yet discovered how to generate option licenses ? 

[sebyon]

This is currently my predicament. Get the SDS2104X or wait and see the pricing for the SDS1000X HD once available in Australia 

[tautech]

This is currently my predicament. Get the SDS2104X or wait and see the pricing for the SDS1000X HD once available in Australia 

Welcome to the forum.

I have whispers you don't need to wait much longer.

However while HD is nice it is not a 500 MHz design and with the current X Plus promotion you get the 200 MHz model upgrade free which I have just tested as actually -3dB at 300 MHz.
Front panels are a little different and HD is a little more compact however the UI is near identical.

[tv84]

Have you yet discovered how to generate option licenses ? 

Sure he has. 

SDS1000X HD uses Siglent's public keygen (v1) so everyone can create their own licenses.

[Martin72]

This will push the scope, now only the price has to be right....

[MathWizard]

What's the news on these ? Are they fully available in China yet ?

[sebyon]

Probably speculation but wouldn't be surprised if a few months away at most now that you can start ordering the Rigol DHO800/900 series.

It's the only competition for the price/features that are equivalent.

[Martin72]

I asked Siglent Europe today when the 1000X HD will be released in Europe and how much it will cost.
The answer was:
Sometime between September 2023 and February 2024 and pricing is not yet known.
That was to be expected...

[Performa01]

I asked Siglent Europe today when the 1000X HD will be released in Europe and how much it will cost.
The answer was:
Sometime between September 2023 and February 2024 and pricing is not yet known.

Now put one and one together. What might be the reason that it takes so long and there is not even an exact release date yet - even though the SDS1000X HD quite demonstrably exists in China for quite a while now?

[tv84]

Now put one and one together. What might be the reason that it takes so long and there is not even an exact release date yet - even though the SDS1000X HD quite demonstrably exists in China for quite a while now?

  Tough one...

[tautech]

Now put one and one together. What might be the reason that it takes so long and there is not even an exact release date yet - even though the SDS1000X HD quite demonstrably exists in China for quite a while now?

  Tough one...

Not really.
Good things are worth waiting for. 

[Martin72]

Now put one and one together.

Too complicated for me. 

[BillyO]

Given Rigol's agressive pricing of their DHO800/900 scopes are Siglent considering better pricing on this model?

With the DHO900 starting at $600 the Siglent will be keeping dust off the warehouse shelves if they are priced much higher.