Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.

[Bad_Driver]

The competitor shows up - now with US prices.

https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/hdo4000/
https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/hdo1000/

With due all respect, not really a competitor..
It has 12 bit specified and that is all.. We have yet to see how it works.
It is also missing a lot of stuff.. Let's see how it works first, before passing opinions..

I agree but let's see what Dave will find out. Let us stay fair to the new kid on the block. We only know what we see in the data sheets.
I'm pretty happy that I decided for the SDS2000X+ two years ago and not for the Rigol MSO5000.
For hobby the SDS2000X HD is too expensive for me.

But a second entry level 12 bit scope may be an addition for some cases on my bench?

[mawyatt]

Anyone know which ADC Siglent is using in the HD and the SDS6000? This may have been asked/answered before, but couldn't find such.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

[Martin72]

Hi,

Probably this one:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg4299406/#msg4299406

[danils]

Hi Guys,

Following this thread and your advice, I traded in my Agilent Infiniivision 2000-X and got the SDS2000X HD.
I am loving it so far, I am shocked how much detail I got testing for some disturbances debugging a I2C line.

I continue reading this useful thread and post some questions, eventually!

Greetings!

Daniele

[Martin72]

You´re very welcome!

[danils]

It seems a firmware update has been just released

https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds2000x-hd

Release notes:
https://www.siglenteu.com//wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2022/09/SDS2000X-HD-Firmware-Revision-Record-and-Upgrade-Instructions.pdf

 

[tautech]

Good spotting 

New firmware for SDS2000X HD models:
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X_HD_V1.2.1.1_EN.zip
Version V1.2.1.1
40MB

Release notes:
Math: filter supported
Optimized knob acceleration
Force trigger strategy changed
Fixed several bugs
Scope gets confused about time zone and time
Digital Channels display bug with >5M memory

[Martin72]

Oho, will try it "tomorrow" (saturday meaning)...
Filters ? Yeah !
Personally for me the LP is interesting - Will it allow to filter out a 400hz sinewave from 10khz carrier...

[jord4231]

Short video I did on Quadraphonic vinyl I used my SDS2104xHD in the video to show the carrier frequency https://youtu.be/PzAJy8G8_H0 

[jord4231]

I just updated to the new FW mine wouldn't recognise any usb stick I had to do it over the web control via lan

[2N3055]

Tips and tricks:

These scopes don't have Force trigger button. Which is something I miss. When you are in Single mode, if you press Single again, it will force trigger... But no classical Force trigger button for Normal mode.
Buuut.......

If you touch screen area in upper right where there is Siglent logo trigger status and frequency counter, magic happens...
Pressing that area was assigned to Force trigger function. It works in Normal and Single mode..

 

[noisyee]

WOW, that magic not even mentioned in the manual
Actually you can have a dedicated Force trigger button if you assign Force Trigger function to the Quick Action button. Works both in Single and Normal mode, too.

[2N3055]

WOW, that magic not even mentioned in the manual
Actually you can have a dedicated Force trigger button if you assign Force Trigger function to the Quick Action button. Works both in Single and Normal mode, too.
(Attachment Link)

Yes that too.. but this is always there and dead simple...!!
It'll be in a manual soon, but i think it was important enough to share ASAP...

[rf-loop]

Mostly I do not use touch panel. I use mostly mouse. Because mostly test circuit (DUT) is on table and example in this case oscilloscope is behind this DUT.
Just what 2N3055 told it also works with mouse, just click it instead of touch..


Then it is also available if click mouse over bottom Trigger info. It open panel where is now also Force trig. And naturally user can move this small panel to place he want.

Example now I have "Bob Pease" style circuit here  around table with some other meters also around it and circuit have also high voltage (just open wires all around and hundreds of Volt, but up to only 1kV in this case) and oscilloscope is just behind circuit so that when I do some adjustments in circuit "on the fly" I do not want turn my head for look signal or adjust scope.

With full mouse control it is really really nice to do work and no need use hand over  DUT to adjust(in this case bit danger DUT). And now Force Trig is available just under my finger.
In this test case I need many times wait long long time after signal meet trigger. But sometimes I want look what is going on when no trig.  Just click mouse.

[Martin72]

Did the upgrade, let it warming up for self-cal.
After first rebooting, there were things to see that makes my pants wet.
But as I "touched" on it, it vanished for ever.
I swear I could hear a laugh:
Nanana-Na-Naaa....

[rf-loop]

Did the upgrade, let it warming up for self-cal.
After first rebooting, there were things to see that makes my pants wet.
But as I "touched" on it, it vanished for ever.
I swear I could hear a laugh:
Nanana-Na-Naaa....

It's not worth looking at all the little things so closely.   

[Martin72]

LOL.

[Martin72]

Don´t know if this is a bug or not, therefore posting it here.
Soon as my HD arrived I took the bodnar pulser on it and wonder about the "stop and go" behaviour of the waveform displaying.
Never saw this before, thought this could be gone with a new firmware but it wasn´t so I post it.
"Stop and go" means, the displayed waveform is somekind of moving, then stopped shortly and the dots are visible, then the same again, periodly but not exactly the same time.
If I take the SDG1062X and feed 10Mhz Square into the scope, I don´t get this behaviour.

[tautech]

Don´t know if this is a bug or not, therefore posting it here.
Soon as my HD arrived I took the bodnar pulser on it and wonder about the "stop and go" behaviour of the waveform displaying.
Never saw this before, thought this could be gone with a new firmware but it wasn´t so I post it.
"Stop and go" means, the displayed waveform is somekind of moving, then stopped shortly and the dots are visible, then the same again, periodly but not exactly the same time.
If I take the SDG1062X and feed 10Mhz Square into the scope, I don´t get this behaviour.

Acquire menu = Dot mode. 

[Martin72]

It´s not that easy..

https://youtu.be/69YJ2UcYTgM

[tautech]

It´s not that easy..

https://youtu.be/69YJ2UcYTgM

Auto or Fixed Mem mode ?
Fixed Sample rate ?

What happens after you Default the scope ?

[Martin72]

Auto Mode, tried several things without effect.
Waveform seems to change between dots/vectors periodically and "paused" inbetween.
I´m pretty sure the Xplus fully armed to 500Mhz didn´t show this behaviour.
Will take the bodnar pulser to work, test it on the HDO 350Mhz and the Waverunner 500Mhz.

[tautech]

Auto Mode, tried several things without effect.
Waveform seems to change between dots/vectors periodically and "paused" inbetween.
I´m pretty sure the Xplus fully armed to 500Mhz didn´t show this behaviour.
Will take the bodnar pulser to work, test it on the HDO 350Mhz and the Waverunner 500Mhz.

Will check on the 6204A today too but it's currently packed in the SUV ready for a visit to a client so will pack the Leo pulser too and grab a screenshot or at least try and find if it does anything similar. 
TTYL

[miro123]

Did you try to swap the scope?  Do you see some termination issue with another scope?
Do you use 50Ohm input?
What type of acquisition mode is used ? peak detect etc?

It seems that the scope reference frequency pretty close to Bodnar signal - this make such effect visible for humans

[Martin72]

On my former SDS2354X (500Mhz) I didn´t got this behaviour, 99% sure.
Before on the Rigol MSO5000 350Mhz the same, not such behaviour.
Can test it at work with lecroy WR9054(500Mhz, 8Bit) and HDO6054A (350Mhz, 12Bit).
Aquisition was normal, memory management auto, termination 50 Ohms.
It must have to do with the bodnar because of its fast risetime of 40ps.
10Mhz squarewave from my sdg1062X generator won´t have this effect (or very less), its risetime is appx 3ns.