Siglent SDS1052DL+ / SDS1102CML+ hack

[Chris Roubis]

thanks to tv84 my scope is now a SDS1152CML+

Blessings to you for your valuable know how.

[allways60]

Hi, I just ordered an SDS1072CML+ and would also like to convert it into an SDS1152CML+.

Could you kindly send me a PM on how you did this.

Thanks in advance.

[yippy]

Hi, I just ordered an SDS1072CML+ and would also like to convert it into an SDS1152CML+.

Could you kindly send me a PM on how you did this.

Thanks in advance.

Give tv84 a PM, he's helped a few of us upgrade our SDS1072CML+.

[allways60]

tv84 is a legend!  The hack worked for me too.

Thank you all!

[StillTrying]

Hi, I just ordered an SDS1072CML+ and would also like to convert it into an SDS1152CML+.

Spend some time testing all of its functions and modes that you're likely to use, before you "fix" it.

[rf1911]

Hi,

first of all thanks for all the work done.

I'm trying to run the hack on SDS1052DL+, i updated to 6.02.01.10R2, i added the needed file to a fat32 formatted usb stick (which is recognized fine), but telnet port is not opened.

TV84, what am i doing wrong?

Thanks.

[rf1911]

startup.sh to enable telnet, so to run the required commands.

[tv84]

startup.sh to enable telnet, so to run the required commands.

Where did you read that such idea worked on a CML+??

[rf1911]

I didnt say it would work on CML+, it's written on post #4 of this thread. I have SDS1052DL+. User Miyagi wrote it.

Not sure at this point if i'm asking the correct question.

[tv84]

I didnt say it would work on CML+, it's written on post #4 of this thread. I have SDS1052DL+. User Miyagi wrote it.

Sorry, I totally forgot such methods...   

Show me the output of this SCPI command:

MD5_PR?

[rf1911]

eheheh np, thanks.. this is the result:

1: Write Operation (MD5_PR?)

Return Count: 7 bytes

2: Read Operation
Return Count: 9 bytes
SDS1000A\n

[AdrianFu]

This is still to be tested but.....
Yesterday I updated the firmware on my SDS 1052DL+ to latest from Siglent after flashing the oscilloscope now reports it’s a SDS1202DL+

Only reporting my experience may not work with other scopes

Adrian

[josempaz79]

Thank you very much TV84 for your guide to make a successful hack.

[PiXEL8]

I recently acquired an SDS1202F+, it's a china only version of the SDS1202DL+

The language is forced to chinese which can't be changed, but if I flash the latest fw or the previous 6.02.01.07 the language is changed to english until pressing the language button or having the unit off for some time.

I was able to enable telnetd with the previous 6.02.01.07 fw only and dloaded the Siglent_CML.cfg. Is it possible to convert this unit to an SDS1202DL+ or set the default language to english?

lastly is it possible to enable 1GSa/s and uncap the 200MHz bandwidth?

Thank you for any all help with this.
-PiXEL8

[tv84]

Is it possible to convert this unit to an SDS1202DL+ or set the default language to english?

Show me this SCPI result:

MD5_PR?

Nonetheless, why are you trying to achieve 200 MHz if you already bought a 200 MHz machine? ? 

[PiXEL8]

Show me this SCPI result:

MD5_PR?

Nonetheless, why are you trying to achieve 200 MHz if you already bought a 200 MHz machine? ? 

I think the starting language cannot be changed, unless we patch the FW.

Not sure how to run SCPI commands yet. I'm unable to connect using EasyScopeX. Port scanning shows only 111 and 719 open (and 23/22 now that I have telnetd and dropbear running). No port 5024 or 5025 to telnet to.

I was seeing if this scope could achieve more than 200MHz. I've seen some threads where removing a cap in the analog section would uncap the bandwidth.

I found the SCDP utility. It connects and the title bar shows "[SCDP] Siglent,SDS1202F+,SDS1MCB4165473,6.02.01.07". Not sure if that's what you need or helps. The SCDP app throws a System.NullReferenceException error after connecting and when trying refresh.

[tv84]

I was seeing if this scope could achieve more than 200MHz. I've seen some threads where removing a cap in the analog section would uncap the bandwidth.

Won't happen. Another model...

[tautech]

I recently acquired an SDS1202F+, it's a china only version of the SDS1202DL+

I don't agree.

F+ models have 1 GSa/s and mostly 1 Mpts memory while the 200 MHz version has just 32 Kpts which makes these some Chinese hybrid that we've never seen in the west.
They don't match up with:
SDS1kCNL
SDS1kCML
SDS1kCFL
SDS1kDL
Or any of the later Plus versions.

[rf-loop]

I recently acquired an SDS1202F+, it's a china only version of the SDS1202DL+

I don't agree.

F+ models have 1 GSa/s and mostly 1 Mpts memory while the 200 MHz version has just 32 Kpts which makes these some Chinese hybrid that we've never seen in the west.
They don't match up with:
SDS1kCNL
SDS1kCML

Siglent official main side oscilloscope select list

SDS1kCFL
SDS1kDL
Or any of the later Plus versions.

SDS1202F+ 200MHz 2通道 500MSa/s（Max.） 32Kpts 7英寸（800*480）彩色显示屏

But it is really bit confusing here due to also some "web shop" versions like example X-C models (aka Cheap E models) Or like top model SDS 6000 Pro


Even they specs looks quite same. 1202F+ is "web shop version" as Google bit fun translate it: "E-commerce SHOP Monopoly"

But SDS1202DL+ is normal Siglent distribution model.

This is whole mess here.
If look Siglent factory official web sides
SDS1000CNL+/DL+
SDS1102CNL+   100 MHz   2 + EXT   1 GSa/s   -   40 Kpts   E-commerce Monopoly
SDS1102DL+    100 MHz   2 + EXT   500 MSa/s   -   32 Kpts   E-commerce Monopoly
SDS1202DL+     200 MHz   2 + EXT   500 MSa/s   -   32 Kpts    ¥3,180  (siglent side 0 VAT prices)
------------------------------------
SDS1000E+/F+
SDS1202F+    200 MHz   2 + EXT   500 MSa/s   -   32 Kpts    E-commerce SHOP Monopoly
SDS1122E+   120 MHz   2 + EXT   1 GSa/s   -   1 Mpts   E-commerce SHOP Monopoly

Taobao/TMALL  both models same seller and it is not more but "siglent Dingyang flagship store"
SDS1202F+  ¥ 2328 
SDS1202DL+   ¥ 3380 

Who believe they are same model and only other is chinese version and other not. Difficult to believe when look price difference. Same seller sell these bot just to domestic mainland market area.

ETA: After reading both data sheets (bit tricky to get from Siglent sides documents side due to 404 if try F+ data sheet, but it is there when use other route via model info side...)
I can not see any difference in data sheet between 1202DL+ and 1202F+   except F+ can select only Chinese and DL+ have whole set of languages. Of course also F+ do not have normal overseas warranty. Language is expensive........



If look example SDS1000X-E and X-C
X-C is clearly more cheap "web shop" version. Not even priced in official sides.
They are roughly same functionally. But C version wfm/s and Sequence mode speed is roughly half.
Perhaps also there can find some differences in specs between 200MHz DL+ and F+.
1000E+ is 1GSa/s model. with 1M memory but there is 120MHz version. It is priced in TMALL same seller as ¥ 1780.00


But fun is that SDS1102X-C price is ¥ 1588.00  and guess what... it is just like  half  wfm/s speed SDS1102X-E (this is not in overseas markets)  with 1Gsa/s and 14M memory and perhaps it is....  we know overseas model SDS1202X-E...   and 1202X-C is ¥ 2760.00 if compare to 1102X-C only diff is BW MHz but is is soft or HW made... try guess.

1104X-C is ¥3780  and then 1104X-E is ¥ 5280 wfm speed difference and language  (including chinese taxes)
And I can imagine wfm/s speed is not half with all mem depths and time scales. Perhaps with some speed difference is less. What is internal reason for slower speed I do not want even guess.

But even if it is not possible and 200MHz is not absolute go - no go question then compared to SDS1202F+  other ways this is light year ahead if this old generation F+.  They are like night and day.
And in some images it even looks like this X-C have also international languages but advertisement images are some times as they are...Perhaps some have used X-E images. Data sheet tell UI is only Chinese language.
But as we know in this series peoples have done many nice things with serial terminal.

If I am buying in China which one I select  SDS1202F+ or SDS1102X-C. No need think even one second if out from box 200MHz BW is not absolute game end factor.

Modifying DL+/F+ models are perhaps bit more or much more tricky than more modern models due to OS and HW.

[tautech]

Or like top model SDS 6000 Pro......

But the 6k Pro will make it to the west but in LeCroy clothes.
Later we may see it in an 8 bit version when 5kX requires a face lift.

[rf-loop]

Or like top model SDS 6000 Pro......

But the 6k Pro will make it to the west but in LeCroy clothes.
Later we may see it in an 8 bit version when 5kX requires a face lift.

Yep 
Also previous msg edited about these low end models

[PiXEL8]

But even if it is not possible and 200MHz is not absolute go - no go question then compared to SDS1202F+  other ways this is light year ahead if this old generation F+.  They are like night and day.
And in some images it even looks like this X-C have also international languages but  advertisement images are some times as they are... I can not confirm it have other than Chinese lang.
But as we know in this series peoples have done many nice things with serial terminal.

Here is an image showing English language after flashing fw.

[PiXEL8]

I recently acquired an SDS1202F+, it's a china only version of the SDS1202DL+

I don't agree.

F+ models have 1 GSa/s and mostly 1 Mpts memory while the 200 MHz version has just 32 Kpts which makes these some Chinese hybrid that we've never seen in the west.
They don't match up with:
SDS1kCNL
SDS1kCML
SDS1kCFL
SDS1kDL
Or any of the later Plus versions.

This model uses the SDS1000DL+ firmware and manuals.

[PiXEL8]

Here is the Siglent support page for this scope

https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sds1000e/

[rf-loop]

Here is the Siglent support page for this scope

https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sds1000e/

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My previous msg was just based to Siglent China sides because I am here. And also based to other knowledge about Siglent producs over around 10 years.
Problem is that Im not chinese and I do not undesrtand language at all and google translation is not always available and if is result is many times nothing but fun. At this time I only need live here because due to Covid have not been possible to return my homeland.

This your image is bit blurry so least I can not clear see text after FW update.
After some image handling / filtering etc yes I can see it is english menu.
Do you mean you just update it simply with DL+ FW using normal USB memory stick method without nothing else and after it there is full language set available.
If this is case, how they can keep this price difference between these models example in web shops.