Teledyne LeCroy gear looks exactly like Siglent

[pascal_sweden]

The equipment from Teledyne LeCroy shown in this video looks exactly like Siglent.

https://youtu.be/a0ekAbroW7c

Is it really an OEM design?

Does anybody know the truth about this?

I can't help it, but the black labels are extremely ugly in my opinion.

What do other people think about those black labels?

[jemangedeslolos]

It is a Siglent design, but the last power supply showed in the video is a GW Instek design.

So when you buy a Lecroy multimeter, you actually buy a Siglent multimeter whose layout and GUI is copied from Agilent 

[Electro Detective]

Someone call the DSO Fashion Police! 

They look like thick eyebrow/s sported by the evil dude in The Thunderbirds,

and that Youtuber electrodude? that zaps himself 24/7!

[tautech]

The equipment from Teledyne LeCroy shown in this video looks exactly like Siglent.

Because it is !

More Siglent rebrands here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/remember-when-siglents-logo-wasnt-ugly/msg1577215/#msg1577215

[Mechatrommer]

Does anybody know the truth about this?

iirc it was discussed here that Siglent developed the HW (OEM?) for TeleDyne and LeCroy developed the FW and Logo printing.. you can search the thread.. the one with Siglent Logo has Siglent FW in it, so the difference is the FW inside. thats what i understood from the who know what in the business..

[tautech]

Does anybody know the truth about this?

iirc it was discussed here that Siglent developed the HW (OEM?) for TeleDyne and LeCroy developed the FW and Logo printing.. you can search the thread.. the one with Siglent Logo has Siglent FW in it, so the difference is the FW inside. thats what i understood from the who know what in the business..

Correct....for the joint development of the Siglent branded SDS3000 series...WS3000 ?
TeleDyne is credited with the SW that runs in both brands.

Edit to add
Pic from old LeCroy = SDS3000 thread:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/lecroy_s-newest-siglent-scope-is-here!/

Now it's just about Siglent rebadging their own products and reflashing them with other resellers boot logos and GUI's.

[Martin72]

To me, this is the most outrageous thing:
Lecroy T3DSO1204 and Siglent SDS1204X-E....
A single sticker double the price 

edit: model name corrected

[Electro Detective]

The double price unit may get you a better price when sold later,
and may have some support beyond the warranty, or real support during the warranty,
note I stated 'may' for both =?

There's also the prestige of a 'Teledyne LeCroy' sitting on the bench 
not sure if that matters much in the current climate of doom and gloom and saving a dollar

If it's a prestige problem, or peer -gear snobbery- runs rampant in the workplace,
some white electrical tape can fix the brand name fast n cheep 

[Scratch.HTF]

And one thing I noticed was that Siglent uses the same default channel colour scheme as LeCroy.

[snoopy]

Trump won't be happy with this because he wants all work done on the JSF-35 brought back to the US

[snoopy]

The double price unit may get you a better price when sold later,
and may have some support beyond the warranty, or real support during the warranty,
note I stated 'may' for both =?

There's also the prestige of a 'Teledyne LeCroy' sitting on the bench 
not sure if that matters much in the current climate of doom and gloom and saving a dollar

If it's a prestige problem, or peer -gear snobbery- runs rampant in the workplace,
some white electrical tape can fix the brand name fast n cheep 

The smart thing for Lecroy to do would be to get Siglent to add a few more features not available in the Siglent model otherwise you are just paying a premium for a badge

[JxR]

Isn't the WaveRunner 8000HD, just Lecroy taking Tek's MSO5/6 series and putting some decent software behind it?  Seems like Lecroy finds good hardware and either makes it better, or uses their name to charge a premium.  Please correct me if I'm talking nonsense..

Regardless, I see it as a of recognition of the quality of Siglent's T&M equipment if they are an OEM for Lecroy.

[modoran]

To me, this is the most outrageous thing:
Lecroy T3DSO1204 and Siglent SDS1104X-E....
A single sticker double the price 

Lecroy T3DSO1204  is the same thing as SDS1204X-E, NOT SDS1104X-E. Do you mean Lecroy T3DSO1104 ?

[2N3055]

Isn't the WaveRunner 8000HD, just Lecroy taking Tek's MSO5/6 series and putting some decent software behind it?

No it's not. Those two are quite different..

[2N3055]

The double price unit may get you a better price when sold later,
and may have some support beyond the warranty, or real support during the warranty,
note I stated 'may' for both =?

There's also the prestige of a 'Teledyne LeCroy' sitting on the bench 
not sure if that matters much in the current climate of doom and gloom and saving a dollar

If it's a prestige problem, or peer -gear snobbery- runs rampant in the workplace,
some white electrical tape can fix the brand name fast n cheep 

The smart thing for Lecroy to do would be to get Siglent to add a few more features not available in the Siglent model otherwise you are just paying a premium for a badge

Even when you buy real A brand product, you are paying a premium for a badge, you pay twice as much as realistic price, but have no choice..

[rsjsouza]

Even when you buy real A brand product, you are paying a premium for a badge, you pay twice as much as realistic price, but have no choice..

Some of the rebadges had different firmware, thus giving an edge to the A-brand gear (case of WS3000 and SDS3000 pointed by tautech above). In this particular case that does not seem to be the case, though. At least they chose a decent OEM this time, and not a terrible one for their Waveace line of products.

[nctnico]

Even when you buy real A brand product, you are paying a premium for a badge, you pay twice as much as realistic price, but have no choice..

Some of the rebadges had different firmware, thus giving an edge to the A-brand gear (case of WS3000 and SDS3000 pointed by tautech above). In this particular case that does not seem to be the case, though. At least they chose a decent OEM this time, and not a terrible one for their Waveace line of products.

AFAIK Waveace are also Siglent rebadges.

[Martin72]

Lecroy T3DSO1204  is the same thing as SDS1204X-E, NOT SDS1104X-E. Do you mean Lecroy T3DSO1104 ?

No, I´ve meant the SDS1204, see pic.
My fault, will be corrected.

[rsjsouza]

Even when you buy real A brand product, you are paying a premium for a badge, you pay twice as much as realistic price, but have no choice..

Some of the rebadges had different firmware, thus giving an edge to the A-brand gear (case of WS3000 and SDS3000 pointed by tautech above). In this particular case that does not seem to be the case, though. At least they chose a decent OEM this time, and not a terrible one for their Waveace line of products.

AFAIK Waveace are also Siglent rebadges.

Funny. I stand corrected. I had the impression they were another OEM, but indeed they are Siglent.

 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/should-i-buy-a-lecroy-wave-ace/

[JxR]

Isn't the WaveRunner 8000HD, just Lecroy taking Tek's MSO5/6 series and putting some decent software behind it?

No it's not. Those two are quite different..

Then I stand corrected, thanks.

[tinhead]

If it's a prestige problem

sometimes it's more complex, i remember i tried to sell few years ago "lot of" Hantek's DSO8202E to customer who saw my Hantek as i visited them. After i provided price, Controlling refused it "becaus of brand name", however they accepted the idea of re-branded Hantek (Extech MS6200), but finally refused it because Extech was twice the price of Hantek  . Finally they bought another A Brand product, however only "a few" instead of "a lot". I bet they would today choose LeCroy instead of Siglent, just because of name.

[Electro Detective]

If it's a prestige problem

sometimes it's more complex, i remember i tried to sell few years ago "lot of" Hantek's DSO8202E to customer who saw my Hantek as i visited them. After i provided price, Controlling refused it "becaus of brand name", however they accepted the idea of re-branded Hantek (Extech MS6200), but finally refused it because Extech was twice the price of Hantek  . Finally they bought another A Brand product, however only "a few" instead of "a lot".

I bet they would today choose LeCroy instead of Siglent, just because of name.

Too right, a bet that's a sure thing   

 You're not alone on that, I've been through the same customer/s thrift idiocracy sales ordeal,    wanting both prestige and cheap price

yet not going with a much cheaper re-badged exact same internals item, with a longer warranty 
even after I proved to them beyond doubt (photos and original receipt) and not sales procrastination prodding BS, that I also bought and used that same product
'because it did the same job and just fit my frugal budget'

Another time (well meaning idiot moment #2) I was willing to buy in with a customer on two units (one each) so I/we could get both for a good discount, on top of the already cheap price,
but brand name prestige killed that deal at the finish line after a phone call to their 'friend who knows about..'   

so I went ahead and bought mine anyway, luckily the boss was cool to put the second unit on demo rather than send back (which I sold within the week and scored some commission  )

and after that gave up on 'favors' on the sales floor,
and that included friends and family who can be a real challenge sometimes,
recommend any dealings at your workplace to be avoided at all costs    Either send them elsewhere or get a colleague to deal with them, and walk away.
Some sales people here may know what I mean.. 

[snoopy]

If it's a prestige problem

sometimes it's more complex, i remember i tried to sell few years ago "lot of" Hantek's DSO8202E to customer who saw my Hantek as i visited them. After i provided price, Controlling refused it "becaus of brand name", however they accepted the idea of re-branded Hantek (Extech MS6200), but finally refused it because Extech was twice the price of Hantek  . Finally they bought another A Brand product, however only "a few" instead of "a lot".

I bet they would today choose LeCroy instead of Siglent, just because of name.

Too right, a bet that's a sure thing   

 You're not alone on that, I've been through the same customer/s thrift idiocracy sales ordeal,    wanting both prestige and cheap price

yet not going with a much cheaper re-badged exact same internals item, with a longer warranty 
even after I proved to them beyond doubt (photos and original receipt) and not sales procrastination prodding BS, that I also bought and used that same product
'because it did the same job and just fit my frugal budget'

Another time (well meaning idiot moment #2) I was willing to buy in with a customer on two units (one each) so I/we could get both for a good discount, on top of the already cheap price,
but brand name prestige killed that deal at the finish line after a phone call to their 'friend who knows about..'   

so I went ahead and bought mine anyway, luckily the boss was cool to put the second unit on demo rather than send back (which I sold within the week and scored some commission  )

and after that gave up on 'favors' on the sales floor,
and that included friends and family who can be a real challenge sometimes,
recommend any dealings at your workplace to be avoided at all costs    Either send them elsewhere or get a colleague to deal with them, and walk away.
Some sales people here may know what I mean..

I have a friend like that. You sell him a 2nd hand item and 2 weeks later he will bring it back complaining about something 

[Sighound36]

I have a friend like that. You sell him a 2nd hand item and 2 weeks later he will bring it back complaining about something 

Snoopy

Sounds like an English e-bay buyer, professional non payers and a mind set that needs an enema 

[nctnico]

I have a friend like that. You sell him a 2nd hand item and 2 weeks later he will bring it back complaining about something 

Try give away stuff for free! I stopped doing that. Instead I sell my junk for 5 to 50 euros or so. I already wrote it a couple of times; some people feel much better about something if they spend their money on it even though it is crap. After all they can't be that stupid!