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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4350 on: December 04, 2017, 10:16:44 pm »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...
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« Reply #4351 on: December 04, 2017, 10:19:01 pm »
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4352 on: December 04, 2017, 10:20:30 pm »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.

Did you grab the really cheap one with the expensive shipping, or the expensive one with the cheap shipping?

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4353 on: December 04, 2017, 10:22:01 pm »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

I was speaking to my mother a few days ago and she said my father used to come home with a lot of second hand stuff that was in it's original boxes apparently. He's dead now and she only just worked it out. And that's how you roll.

Was that the HP one with the missing fuse holder? What did that go for in the end?

I won a buy it now finally. Been nearly a month now. Got a Fluke 8000A with the original 7 segment display where the segments are each made of two LEDs. Needs tidying up but is shown powered up and is listed as working. £26 was possibly a bit high but I figured the wife has spent more on ornaments that don’t do anything. 3.5 entire digits of cool  :-+

The pile-o-Flukes is go again!

Yes it was that meter and the bloody annoying thing is I missed it by 5p, it went for £33.55. There was also another Fluke 27, went for £39, grrr.

Was that 8000A the one from Amersham, the blue one? I looked at but decided against it because it has a manual switcher.

Damnation; some good deals there! :(

That's the one. It is indeed a manual switcher. I'm a glutton for manual ranging. Even though I've got two spanking new fancy autoranging meters, they spend most of the time in manual range. It's a very early 8000A which are dangerous as fuck; live mains traces on the board underneath. If you ever get one, bring it up on a bench power supply if you're doing maintenance or you will die.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4354 on: December 04, 2017, 10:22:40 pm »
Gentlemen, I'm afraid I have some bad news to tell you. I don't think there's an easy way of saying this, so I'll just get it out. Yesterday I found out I'm an idiot. It's hard to swallow, I know, but it's true.

Naw - fuses aren't for idiots they are for those of us that have the power of extreme concentration which crowds out all other matters.  ;)
Now that description I like  :-DD

I'll agree it is very fair description.  :-DD

I also suffer from Extreme Concentration Syndrome. Perhaps it plays a role in the myriad other afflictions in the TEA Glossary.

I believe ECS is part of the CRS constellation of Attention Deficit Disorders... ;) At least, my experience has been that most who suffer from the former are well advanced in the latter. :p


That's what keeps me from buying a compressor from Harbor Freight. Cheaptankexplosionphobia.
If you're afraid of a cheap tank exploding, you should see the punch the more expensive sturdy ones pack when they go.

What's a good alternative for pressurized air for occasional cleaning duties? Attach a hose to the exhaust of a vacuum cleaner?

Compressed air in and of itself  is NOT a serious hazard; like anything, you just need to learn and follow reasonable safety protocols. In general, an air compressor is more dangerous to iffy old house wiring due to high continuous and surge current draw than as a PVE hazard.

As long as you haven't bypassed any of the required safety equipment that comes pre-installed, the HFT compressors are perfectly safe (as are all consumer-grade air compressors); they are protected by a three-fold pressure safety system. First, in the form of a high-volume pressure release valve, and secondly in the form of a low-pressure compressor and motor designed deliberately to lock up at more than 300 PSI or so, and thirdly in the form of a thin-walled soft copper or aluminum tubing connector at the compressor DELIBERATELY designed to fail before the tank does. I've seen one fail; it just sortof farted and split open with a hissing/whistling of air that sounded just like the backpressure unloader after it cycles off, only louder and it didn't stop until the tank was empty.


You are in much more danger walking across the street in a busy city than you are working with any HFT compressor.  :palm:

Well, that and your wallet if you don't keep them full of oil.  :-DD

I have a 21 gal/6HP and a 10 gal/4HP model I've used for almost 15 years; I bought both at one of their "Sidewalk Sales" as customer returns (They marked OOW on the compressor and the tank with a Dremel then sold them crazy cheap)  for $70. Those WERE a ticking time-bomb when I got them; fortunately I decided to drain the oil and inspect the crankcase BEFORE use as found that both had the crankcase "topped off" with gasoline.

OF COURSE, that MUST HAVE BEEN vandalism done by prior owners on two different units, not by the store to ensure those compressors didn't cannibalize their sales of new units.  ::)


Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...


Depends on whether that purchase added up to "Buying" it vs "Stealing" it. I've found most such impulse buys can be rationalized to some extent, even with the missus, if I can explain it as "taking a 50¢ gamble on a $50 tool".


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4355 on: December 04, 2017, 10:23:52 pm »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well she said i could buy one earlier, when i had the money in hand. Now i don't have the money in hand but i do have it. Worst case, I'll run... very fast.

Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.

Did you grab the really cheap one with the expensive shipping, or the expensive one with the cheap shipping?

-Pat

One for 28 with 47.56 shipping.

My thinking is that the chances of there being exactly the same problem is two different units is astronomical.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 10:31:15 pm by neo »
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4356 on: December 04, 2017, 10:30:30 pm »
Compressed air in and of itself  is NOT a serious hazard; like anything, you just need to learn and follow reasonable safety protocols. In general, an air compressor is more dangerous to iffy old house wiring due to high continuous and surge current draw than as a PVE hazard.

As long as you haven't bypassed any of the required safety equipment that comes pre-installed, the HFT compressors are perfectly safe (as are all consumer-grade air compressors); they are protected by a three-fold pressure safety system.

Funny that you mention the electrical side of it. I recall an HFT compressor that caught fire not too long ago. Was it talked about on this forum or did I see it elsewhere?

Anyway, it would be handy to have one around. I'd mostly use it for blowing out the myriad dust bunnies that congregate in old test equipment and other electronics.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4357 on: December 04, 2017, 10:33:38 pm »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well she said i could buy one earlier, when i had the money in hand. Now i don't have the money in hand but i do have it. Worst case, I'll run... very fast.
Just hope and pray that she doesn't lull you into a false sense of security by getting all amorous with you and you decide to take her up on it, because its a well known fact that wallet (girl) can run faster with skirt up than boy can with trousers down.  :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4358 on: December 04, 2017, 10:36:10 pm »
You must be closer to him, then - the $28 one showed almost $60 for shipping to me, and it was a bit too rich for my blood.  I was considering that one, but the shipping out me off.  Good luck getting one (or even better, ultimately both) of them working again!

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4359 on: December 04, 2017, 10:37:00 pm »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well she said i could buy one earlier, when i had the money in hand. Now i don't have the money in hand but i do have it. Worst case, I'll run... very fast.
Just hope and pray that she doesn't lull you into a false sense of security by getting all amorous with you and you decide to take her up on it, because its a well known fact that wallet (girl) can run faster with skirt up than boy can with trousers down.  :-DD

Just a note i never said she was my wife (or girlfriend). Still very humerous thought  :-DD

You must be closer to him, then - the $28 one showed almost $60 for shipping to me, and it was a bit too rich for my blood.  I was considering that one, but the shipping out me off.  Good luck getting one (or even better, ultimately both) of them working again!

-Pat

Unfortunately Pat, the one i got had the 5s in it's display burnout.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4360 on: December 04, 2017, 10:42:58 pm »
Damnation; some good deals there! :(

That's the one. It is indeed a manual switcher. I'm a glutton for manual ranging. Even though I've got two spanking new fancy autoranging meters, they spend most of the time in manual range. It's a very early 8000A which are dangerous as fuck; live mains traces on the board underneath. If you ever get one, bring it up on a bench power supply if you're doing maintenance or you will die.
If I get one that is, if I did, I have an isolation tranny I could use, but I see you point about having 230v tracks running across the board, not a good idea that, so if and when I did, I could wack it on bench supply and run it from that. :popcorn:
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« Reply #4361 on: December 05, 2017, 12:11:06 am »
No.

You are (on the way to) an expert.

An expert is a person who made every possible mistake (Hans-Peter Dürr).
See, I told you I'm an idiot, didn't I? To prove a point, I just did the same thing again :palm:

This time it was an AN8008. That's good, because the fuses are cheap, but I'm running out of functioning multimeters. Three to go, but another one en route. Maybe I should just get one of those unfused multimeters. So what did we learn today? Mr. Scram not being an electrician is the best thing that could happen to everyone, but mostly to Mr. Scram.
 

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« Reply #4362 on: December 05, 2017, 12:40:26 am »
No.

You are (on the way to) an expert.

An expert is a person who made every possible mistake (Hans-Peter Dürr).
See, I told you I'm an idiot, didn't I? To prove a point, I just did the same thing again :palm:

This time it was an AN8008. That's good, because the fuses are cheap, but I'm running out of functioning multimeters. Three to go, but another one en route. Maybe I should just get one of those unfused multimeters. So what did we learn today? Mr. Scram not being an electrician is the best thing that could happen to everyone, but mostly to Mr. Scram.

And/or Mrs. Scram, and any little Scramblings that may or may not yet be. ;)


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4363 on: December 05, 2017, 02:29:20 am »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4364 on: December 05, 2017, 02:50:48 am »
Scramblings ;D
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4365 on: December 05, 2017, 06:42:45 am »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4366 on: December 05, 2017, 06:48:17 am »

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat

I got one of these solder suckers. Its the only one i found that actually does a reasonable job of removing solder. The thing is pretty huge, about twice the size of normal solder suckers but this gives it enough air capacity to actually do the job. Still not as nice as a proper desoldering iron, but it gets the job done for me as i don't often remove troughole parts with lots of legs.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4367 on: December 05, 2017, 07:44:48 am »
Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat
I got a proper powered desoldering station so the tip melts the solder, give a little wiggle while squeezing the trigger to switch the vacuum pump on and the solder gets sucked up into a catchment chamber, easy peasy.

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« Reply #4368 on: December 05, 2017, 07:45:51 am »

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat

I got one of these solder suckers. Its the only one i found that actually does a reasonable job of removing solder. The thing is pretty huge, about twice the size of normal solder suckers but this gives it enough air capacity to actually do the job. Still not as nice as a proper desoldering iron, but it gets the job done for me as i don't often remove troughole parts with lots of legs.

Problem is the space i need it in is tiny.

Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat

I got the mini version, i'm tempted to get that too.

Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat
I got a proper powered desoldering station so the tip melts the solder, give a little wiggle while squeezing the trigger to switch the vacuum pump on and the solder gets sucked up into a catchment chamber, easy peasy.

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Yes one of the automated ones would be so nice.... if they didn't cost 300 a piece.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4369 on: December 05, 2017, 08:21:39 am »

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

I got the mini version, i'm tempted to get that too.


Trust me - get the big one.  You won't regret it - they inhale a lot of air, and blow the mini ones completely out of the water.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4370 on: December 05, 2017, 08:33:13 am »

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat

I got one of these solder suckers. Its the only one i found that actually does a reasonable job of removing solder. The thing is pretty huge, about twice the size of normal solder suckers but this gives it enough air capacity to actually do the job. Still not as nice as a proper desoldering iron, but it gets the job done for me as i don't often remove troughole parts with lots of legs.

Problem is the space i need it in is tiny.

Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat

I got the mini version, i'm tempted to get that too.

Well i have found true obsession, i bought a fluke 8400A to fix my 8400A using funds that, technically, i don't have yet using bits and pieces of earlier conversations to give myself the answer i needed.
Wait till the wallet finds out, she's gonna kill you...

Well the wallet didn't kill me, i might though.

Trying to get a nixie out of the old one to test it, destroying the circuit board under it in the process. This is me right now, :horse:, except i'm both the horse and the guy beating it.

I'm not sure what you're using, but I got in on this deal last week.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132337040262

-Pat
I got a proper powered desoldering station so the tip melts the solder, give a little wiggle while squeezing the trigger to switch the vacuum pump on and the solder gets sucked up into a catchment chamber, easy peasy.

Sent from my SM-J510FN using Tapatalk



Yes one of the automated ones would be so nice.... if they didn't cost 300 a piece.
I got mine BNIB on ebay on a BIN sale for £60 so they don't have to be expensive, it does the job well, has digital control, 24v heater back-lit display what more do you need than that?

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« Reply #4371 on: December 05, 2017, 08:43:06 am »
Metcal writ on the side wouldn't be bad.  :-DD

In all seriousness what's the magic term, i type in desoldering and get a whole lotta useless results sub $300.

Also, the only problem with the big one is the space it can fit in, and while on the topic of desoldering anyone got any tips for double sided boards? I can desolder single sided like a champ but double side has been a permanent vexation.
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« Reply #4372 on: December 05, 2017, 08:47:26 am »
Everyone knows that size matters when it comes to equipment.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4373 on: December 05, 2017, 08:52:58 am »
]I got a proper powered desoldering station so the tip melts the solder, give a little wiggle while squeezing the trigger to switch the vacuum pump on and the solder gets sucked up into a catchment chamber, easy peasy.

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Same, i dont know how I did it before with solderwick! I must have been insane!

These days I frequently replace 64 pin 68000 sockets from battery damaged Amiga's and without the solder gun there's no way I could do it - I just dont have the time or patience now.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4374 on: December 05, 2017, 09:06:06 am »
Metcal writ on the side wouldn't be bad.  :-DD

In all seriousness what's the magic term, i type in desoldering and get a whole lotta useless results sub $300.

Also, the only problem with the big one is the space it can fit in, and while on the topic of desoldering anyone got any tips for double sided boards? I can desolder single sided like a champ but double side has been a permanent vexation.
The answer is once again a proper desoldering station with or without Metcal written on the side, oh hang a minute, pass me that marker pen and I'll write it on for you if your so hung up a brand name.. :-DD
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