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Camera Recommendation
« on: July 31, 2026, 07:24:11 pm »
I hate myself for making this post, but I just can't face another rabbit hole.  I'm just looking to hand over money and get a product that doesn't suck.  A big ask these days.
Need something that can show me if battery 2 is about to go nova on me, find a lug that is too hot from a poor crimp or the like, help out with detecting bad insulation in a house, A/C duct leakage, a water leak, etc...  Not trying to see any heat differences based on slight atomic excitement or anything too crazy. 

Was about to pull the trigger on the Flir C8 (the resolution seems good enough for my purposes and it doesn't use the super-whatever-fake-resolution like most of the cameras that claim anything above 120xwhatever other tiny number in the sub $1,000 price range), but I just can't hand over $1,000 for something that has a battery I can't replace and requires an app to get the freaking photos.  I don't want a piece of e-waste in the making and must be getting old enough that my grumpy old man phase has begun, because what the hell, we have sd-cards of multiple varieties (or even pcie based storage like in my lumix camera for crying out loud), usb cables, and any number of standard format high powered battery cells to choose from.  I would rather eat off of Dave's old keyboard than reward companies for making such expensive, disposable, app dependent crap.

Is there anything out there that is in the $900-$1,300 range that fits my overly demanding expectations?  I know the answer is that I am SoL but I at least want to rage against the dying of the light before I give up.

EDIT: At this point I'm just not going with FLIR out of spite.  Looks like the options are the TOPDON TC005 and Thermal Master Thor 001, any thoughts or is this just a pick one and it is what it is?
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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2026, 06:11:44 am »
You might want to consider a used FLIR E40 (160 resolution) and then upgrade it to an E60 (320 resolution) by following the discussions on the forums, quite simple. It features a focusable lens, a replaceable battery, and support for add-on lenses; it is a standalone device that doesn't require a smartphone or any app—a true workhorse tool. I bought a used one myself (for the equivalent of about 200–300 USD, though the price might be higher in the US?). Just make sure to buy one that comes with the charger; the connector is proprietary, and a new charger is very expensive.
 

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2026, 07:05:06 am »
I would start with zoyi zt-r02
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/zoyi-zt-r02-dmmthermal-imager/
I am satisfied with that, maybe you would be too?
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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2026, 01:21:12 pm »
If you liked the FLIR C series format, then you might wish to consider the TOPDON TC003 tablet thermal camera. I own one of these. It is an Android based design that behaves much like a mobile phone in that you can download additional APPs to it if desired. Note that there is no requirement for it to be upgraded, or additional APPs loaded, as it is a self contained, fully finished, thermal imaging camera that just happens to use Android as its OS and so has some side benefits. The unit provides real 256x192 pixel thermal resolution at 25fps refresh and it works well. Researching TOPDON as a company should reveal that they are respected in the automotive diagnostic world and are a decent brand.

 https://web-file.topdon.com/topdon-web/information_download/TC003-Product-Profile.pdf

Note that, as an Android device equipped with OTG port, TOPDON state that you can connect USB flash drives, USB borescopes and oscilloscopes etc to your TC003. This makes it a very versatile platform and well suited to diagnostic applications. I attach the OTG statement from the user manual. Regarding loading non TOPDON approved APPs, this is blocked to maintain stability of the platform (just like Apple does on iPhones/iPads), but side-loading APPs onto an Android platform is often possible for those wishing to experiment (not something I want to do on my unit). The TC003 may natively support some OTG devices, such as UVC cameras/video probes, but a I have yet to investigate such.

The TC003 can be connected to a Windows PC but this does require the installation of TCView software. I have not tried accessing the TC003 with a PC to see whether it presents itself as a mass storage device (like a mobile phone) to download saved images. I can check that though if you are interested.

The TC003 costs around £350 in the U.K. and that includes our UK 20% VAT. The price in the USA appears to be around $399. I attach an advert from the USA.

https://mechanicsuperstore.com/products/topdon-usa-tc003-portable-thermal-imaging-camera?

I do not like to recommend that a person buys a particular thermal camera as users needs vary greatly. I totally understand the OP’s annoyance with manufacturers selling thermal cameras that are using low resolution microbolometers without making it clear in the specifications that the advertised thermal resolution is after software based resolution enhancement. If you see a camera with a 1:1 aspect ratio for the thermal image, or a resolution of 240x240 pixels, be warned that this usually means that the HikMicro 92x92 pixel microbolometer is used in the camera and some form of resolution enhancement applied.

AI derived resolution enhancement is becoming common on modern thermal cameras. It is often seen on lower resolution cameras that require some help to produce images acceptable to the user. It is also available on the, already good, 256x192 pixel microbolometer cores in order to enhance the user experience. On 256x192 pixel cameras, the user can usually normally or AI enhanced imaging mode. I applaud its inclusion on 256x192 pixel cameras as it does offer the user an improved image in many cases (but not all) When used on an already capable thermal camera, it is a positive presence rather than an effort to fool the user into thinking the camera is better than it truly is (as with the low resolution budget cameras).

The FCC ID database contains pictures of the interior of the TOPDON TC003 and I have attached them for readers interest. The thermal imaging core is the well respected Infiray Tiny1. The TC003 uses a generic LiPo pouch cell that may be replaced by anyone competent to work on modern electronics. Internal batteries are now common in modern lower cost cameras as removable battery packs add to the BoM cost and can complicate the sealing of the camera, where a decent IP rating is being sought. Provide the battery is not some unique part that may only be provided by the OEM, I am content to buy cameras that have internal batteries/cells as is common on so much consumer technology these days.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2026, 01:37:06 pm »
The TC003 User Manual

https://web-file.topdon.com/topdon-web/information_download/TC003_User%20Manual.pdf


UPDATE….

1. The TC003 does provide the option for side loading APP APK’s and TOPDON have a video showing how to do it.

2. AI derived resolution enhancement has been added to the TC003 in an installable update. The user can decide whether they want the resolution enhancement active, or not.

3. A PC can access saved images in the TC003 without the need for any additional TOPDON software. Useful comment found via Google…..
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“Access saved images from a PC on your TOPDON TC003 by connecting via USB-C, opening File Explorer, and browsing the internal storage. Note that the official PC software can only open pictures captured directly through the software while connected, and does not support offline secondary analysis of standalone device shots.”
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This is an unusual situation for many users as they, understandably, expect the PC software to be able to analyze images saved on the camera. The PC software for the TC003 can save and analyze only images captured through it and the associated USB-C streaming link. Images stored on the camera can be accessed, downloaded and viewed without the need for any TOPDON software.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2026, 04:45:43 pm »
Staying with the FLIR C series camera format, there is also the HikMicro Pocket 2 tablet camera. This offers a true thermal resolution of 256x192 pixels and it has the AI derived resolution enhancement feature available. I also own one of these cameras. The HikMicro Pocket series also includes the “Pocket E” cameras, but these are lower resolution 92x92 pixel units using resolution enhancement software to achieve a 240x240 pixel image on the display. If looking to buy a Pocket series camera, make sure that it is the “full fat” Pocket 2 256x192 pixel version !

More information can be provided on the HikMicro Pocket 2 if needed.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2026, 02:46:40 am »
I had looked at that model.  Unfortunately it is literally out of stock for any distributors including the TOPDON website itself across the USA.  I assumed this probably means that for some reason be it the new round of stupid, China pays for it, tariffs or something else, that model is likely not coming back any time soon. 
 

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2026, 02:51:55 am »
Did a quick look.  It seems the, "For Parts," listings for this model starts at $900 or so.  More than a few, and they are used, in the $3K-$4K range.  Things like replaceable batteries truly are the new hallmark of luxury items. 
 

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2026, 07:06:52 am »
Honestly, I am not tied to that particular form factor in the least.  Was originally looking at the C8 as it seemed to be the one and only higher resolution camera at the under $1K price point.  As long as it isn't tied to a phone, I don't care if it is a big bulky gun style, a flat screen, etc...

Found your posts about the Thermal Master Thor line, so looks like that is out of the running.

As much as I really don't want to now, given my criteria of checking battery temps, crimp temps, use at looking at some PCBs for repair/solder work, do I just suck it up and buy the C8?  It just doesn't look like anything else matches the resolution at that price point.  Or is there a way of using lenses on cheaper models like that TOPDON TC005 to compensate for the lower resolution?

As I said originally, I'm assuming my desire for a replaceable battery and sd card are far too fancy and luxurious now-a-days, so defeat on those fronts was the expected outcome.

You seem to be the thermal guru, if you had $1K to spend, and my requirements (plus no or at the least an extreme bare minimum of hacking something just to get it to a half decent product, I have too many other projects that barely get worked on with reality being what it is these days) which do you get?

EDIT: I am aware of the less than...good....refresh rate of the C8, but figured in my use cases it probably was not the most impactful of attributes vs resolution, though as I am obviously new to thermals, I could be totally and completely wrong, wrong, wrong on that assumption. 
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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2026, 11:38:42 am »
Fortunamatada,

As I stated previously, I do not like to recommend cameras for people as there are so many variables involved and the user needs to decide which camera best meets their specific needs.

The market has been flooded with affordable 256x192 pixel 25fps thermal imaging cameras and these often use the well respected Infiray Tiny1 or Tiny2. Guide use their decent 256x192 pixel TIMO core. 256x192 pixel resolution has become the ‘sweet spot’ of affordable thermal imaging for the masses. Anything higher resolution than that is a bonus, but often comes at a much higher price.

As a USA based user, you have FLIR and Seek Thermal who may be considered the ‘safe choice’ in terms of product support. That said, you pay a premium FLIR branded products and Seek Thermal have had somewhat noisy imaging cores that have not, to date, impressed me. Sadly the current situation with US importation Tariffs may make China sourced thermal cameras either expensive, or hard to find in your retailers. Support for Chinese made thermal imaging cameras is patchy, to say the least ! When you buy a budget Chinese made thermal camera, you have to accept that there will likely be poor or non existent support if it it fails. With the cost of such cameras so much lower than FLIR, some buyers are happy to take the chance.

Regarding the FLIR C8, I have not tested this camera, but it is good to see FLIR moving away from the Lepton 80x60 and 160x120 core resolutions (as used in earlier C series cameras) as these are now somewhat dated and outclassed by the Infiray and Guide 256x192 pixel cores. I do not know which thermal imaging core FLIR uses in the C8, but I suspect it will be from the FLIR BOSON development project. BOSON has become FLIR’s miniature thermal imaging core for products that demand superior imaging to that offered by the old Lepton series. The C8 may offer you great thermal images at 320x240 pixels and I would expect it to perform well. Sadly that comes at a price though and you are limited to less than 9fps which is a pity. As you say, the low frame rate may not matter in your use case. Using a 25fps, 30fps, 50fps or 60fps camera is a nicer user experience though.

If considering the C8, you should look carefully at what it offers you in terms of measurement capabilities and control over the level and span settings as these are important elements in a thermal camera. If it meets your needs, it is likely the safest option for you and you have the customer support of FLIR if something goes wrong.

There are some great deals to be had on Chinese 256x192 pixel thermal cameras and Thermal camera phone dongles. Just check the specifications carefully to see what is being offered and I recommend looking only at 256x192 pixel cameras to avoid the upscaled low resolution types and to get best bang for your buck. If you buy an inexpensive unit with 256x192 pixels you can get a feel for what the technology has to offer, and upgrade to a higher specifications camera later if such ever becomes necessary, which it may not.

Personally, I prefer the pistol grip format thermal cameras that are self contained systems that do not rely on a mobile phone and ever changing APPs to operate.

I will cast my eye over the C8 specifications and user manual and report my thoughts on it here later.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2026, 12:34:39 pm »
Many thanks for all of the information.

It never ceases to amaze me at how stagnant and complacent so many, if not all, of our industry became.  Even at $4,000 you can't get a FLIR beyond 9fps.  It's been a great past 2 decades watching a country founded in large part as a reaction against monopoly now consumed by it.  Once the AI bubble goes pop, that's it folks, shows over. 
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2026, 01:00:06 pm »
I have looked at at FLIR C8 and have the following comments….

1. The C8 comes from the proven C ‘tablet format’ series and that series has shown itself to be user friendly in use and reliable.

2. FLIR are aiming the C8 at the trades who need efficient image handling, filing and export writing. This is why the Cx series now uploads imagery to the “Ignite” cloud. That does not mean that the user has to use that cloud storage solution though. The Cx series may be connected to a PC to download saved images and image analysis may be performed using the FLIR Studio software. Basically, the cloud image repository and reporting option is there if needed, but not compulsory.

3. The extended front area around the lenses suggests to me that the C8 uses core technology from the FLIR BOSON product line. This is a powerful core that is superior to the a lepton used in earlier C series cameras. The 320x240 pixel resolution is excellent at this price point for a FLIR product.

4. The choice of thermal imaging lens has a narrower field of view than many modern thermal cameras. A HFOV of around 50 degrees is common these days. The C8 has an HFOV of 35 degrees. In industry, it is common to have narrower HFOV to improve the IFOV and around 25 degrees is often used. Many general use thermal cameras and fire fighting thermal cameras have an HFOV of around 50 degrees to provide more scene coverage, but at the cost of some scene detail due to a higher IFOV figure. The 35 degree HFOV will mean that the C8 provides excellent scene detail with its 320x240 pixel core, but when viewing large targets, such as a building, the user may need to move further away than if using a 50 degree HFOV camera, if capturing a large area.

5. The C8 has an NETD of better than 50mK. That is fine for general use and I have no concerns that it is a little higher than some Chinese cameras claim.

6. Manual and Automatic modes are provided for Level and Span. This is very good news. I see that it also has “1 touch” mode. The “1 touch” level and span is present on one of my cameras and appears very useful.

7. The thermal frame rate is the usual <9fps which is a disadvantage compared to the Chinese cameras and this needs to be considered in terms of the user experience.

8. The memory is internal and not removable. Whilst this may not appeal to some users, it avoids having another potential contaminant ingress point on the camera and aids water resistance.

9. The internal LiPo cell is not user replaceable and gaining access to it could be very challenging. The rubber coated C8 offers no obvious means of access into its casing. This is a significant concern as the camera is not inexpensive and LiPo cells can fail after only 3 years of use or can become locked-out if they become over-discharged during long term storage. I would look into how easy/ hard it is to open the camera to gain access to the LiPo cell. There will always be a way, but it is the damage that occurs during the process that concerns me. FLIR may offer a battery change service, but at what cost, and for how many years?

10. The C8 offers Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity and also has a USB-C connector through which it is charged and, presumably, connected to a PC for image download. FLIR studio may be used on the PC for greater image analysis.

11. “On camera” measurement facilities appear very limited so this should be looked at to determine if adequate for your needs. Greater measurement functionality is provided via downloaded images within the FLIR Studio software.

12. The Cx series are tablet format cameras with a touch screen. Touch screen control is not everyone’s “cup of tea” so this should be considered.

13. The camera has a tripod socket ! This is very useful for mounting the camera above a workbench or for static observation of a target using a tripod or specialist mount. Good to see it present on this camera.

14. Close-up imaging of PCB’s or small targets will likely require the use of an inexpensive ZnSe close-up lens as the C8 has a minimum focus distance of 40cm. With its 320x240 pixel resolution and 35 degree HFOV lens, the C8 may be adequate for some relatively close imaging without a supplemental lens.

15. Support is a ‘given’ with FLIR. If something goes wrong with your camera, FLIR are far more likely to provide you with responses to emails and requests for service than any of the Chinese manufacturers. FLIR are also USA based for any returns that may be required. Returning a camera to China is fraught with costs, issues and complications ! Be warned though…FLIR are very expensive for ‘out of warranty’ repairs.

16. Would I buy the C8 if I had a spare $1K ? If I needed a very nice tablet format thermal camera and I did not already own a TOPDON TC003 and HikMicro Pocket 2, then yes, I would happily buy the C8. The price is the problem though. Chinese tablet format cameras offering decent performance, but less customer support, are available at half the price of the FLIR C8 and that gives food for thought. 320x240 pixels Vs 256x192 pixels is a significant difference, no doubt about it, but is it worth the additional cost and the lower frame rate penalty of the C8 ? Chinese cameras are now employing AI derived software resolution enhancement to improve the appearance of 256x192 pixel camera images. In your position, your options are more limited due to the apparent non availability of some excellent Chinese thermal cameras in your retail networks. With such restrictions or potential additional charges on China sourced products, the C8 looks a decent choice for you.

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2026, 01:11:51 pm »
Fortunamatada,

The frame rate limitation came about due to the recognition that a thermal imaging system can make a formidable targeting system for weapons. As has been noted, the World of thermal imaging has moved on at a pace and the USA frame rate restriction has effectively been rendered pretty much obsolete. China now mass produces 25fps and 50fps thermal imaging cores and they are in consumer grade cameras that pretty much anyone can gain access to, if desired. The Chinese manufacturers have a significant advantage over USA based thermal camera manufacturers as they appear to be unconstrained where frame rate is concerned. This is hard for FLIR to respond to without breaching its countries regulations. It is definitely possible to buy FLIR high frame rate cameras, but some paperwork is involved and prices can be high. This makes FLIR less competitive in the World marketplace. I remain surprised that US citizens located in the USA are not offered high frame rate versions of cameras like the C8.

DUT/B.I.S regulations can take a long time to be reviewed/updated  and the frame rate limitation shows no signs of being removed any time soon. In the meantime, those desiring high frame rate thermal camera cores have access to them, as was seen with the RAYTEK/IRAY incident and resultant sanctions by the USA. I do not know how China has ‘got away’ with selling high frame rate thermal cameras to consumers of the world, but it has surely happened and is unlikely to change.

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2026, 01:40:32 pm »
As an example of how crazy things are getting in the thermal camera market these days….

Mileseey were selling off their TR256E (Thermal only) 256x192 pixel pistol grip format thermal cameras on eBay UK for £67 (with eBay discounts applied) delivered from a U.K. warehouse ! Those familiar with the various thermal cameras in the marketplace may recognise the camera and so know its OEM  ;) It is a very good little camera and for £67, nothing can compete with it. The Mileseey stock sold fast ! They also sold off their TNV30i thermal dongles for the same low price. To add to the craziness, Mileseey included a DP20 triple laser distance meter with every TNV30i sold. That laser distance meter was included in their heavily discounted sale listings for £29 (normally £150) and I have no idea why they included them as a free gift with the thermal cameras. There is the possibility that the laser distance meter was part of a previous “Deal” on the TNV30i.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2026, 03:06:06 pm »
To show what is likely involved to open the FLIR C8 for battery replacement, I provide the link to a C2 teardown…..

https://youtu.be/3m1kajU5Bck?is=2vwKPtVeaKBF3L8K

Not simple, but not too difficult either.

The LiPo cell does not look unique, but it could be an uncommon size, like that found in the FLIR ONE G2 and G3. Standard 3 wire connection to the battery protection PCB (+,Temp,-).
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2026, 03:37:28 pm »
I just found a teardown of the later FLIR C5 camera. Its disassembly differs to that of the C2. The rear panel bezel needs to be removed first and this is held in place by double sided adhesive tape. This is softened with heat to ease removal. The LCD display is then removed and this is attached with the same double sided adhesive tape. Finally a cover panel/frame is removed to reveal the PCB and battery.

The video is here…..

https://youtu.be/m8EDoxVTPj0?is=fTyllmGin3i2Tmh9

This is not a task for the faint-hearted and carries the risk of damage to parts as they are separated with heat and spudgers. Whatever happened to using screws to hold casings together eh ?

The battery is made for FLIR by VARTA and it may be of unusual dimensions to fit in the provided space within the casing. Something close enough in dimensions from Generic LiPo offerings should be available though. The connections remain the standard + ,Temp,- format.

As the C5 (potentially the C8 as well) is no fun to dismantle, I would hope that the provided LiPo cell is long lived. You really would not want to carry out this disassembly more than once !

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2026, 06:29:45 am »
I came across the "E4S vs. Thermal Master Thor 001" guide, and I found the comparison interesting; however, it seems to focus only on comparing images rather than testing for repeatability and precision.


A thermal camera is both an imaging device and a measuring instrument. Comparing image quality alone does not allow for a full assessment of its performance as a measurement tool.




https://youtu.be/4IS3VzpLVc8?si=LM3IycA1cy2KjXxw
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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2026, 12:56:04 pm »
Espartacus,

A fair point. Image quality is only part of the story when dealing with a fully radiometric thermal camera.
When it comes to sales, many buyers will be swayed by “pretty pictures” that contain good detail and low noise. Clever video processing techniques do make thermal images look much cleaner, but sometimes the images are “over-processed” which can cause a loss of fine detail or mask small anomalies. It is a delicate balance for a manufacturer to create a thermal camera that produces “pretty pictures” whilst also delivering the required image detail and measurement accuracy. Thankfully a lot of the clever image processing is applied after the stage in the system where pixel measurements occur.

The Infiray Tiny1 and Guide TIMO 256 thermal imaging “building block” cores have proven to be capable of delivering both decent thermal imagery and very good measurement accuracy. As these cores, or their siblings, are to be found in many 256x192 pixel thermal cameras, measurement accuracy is not normally an issue. Some USB Thermal Dongle cameras have been designed for imaging performance, rather than temperature measurement and these either provide less accurate measurements, or do not include any measurement capability in their APP. The common “+/-2 Celsius or +/-2%” specification is normally met by the vast majority of modern thermal cameras claiming such in their specification. With “building block” type imaging cores, this is easier for OEM’s to achieve as much of the hard work has been done by the experienced and skilled Thermal Imaging Core manufacturer. The OEM just needs to provide an embedded computer/SoC host to display the cores data and any desired camera functionality and overlays.

Experienced thermal camera manufacturers may take a different path when designing a thermal camera as they have the knowledge and skills to integrate a bare microbolometer into a System. Such a ‘ground-up’ design contains all the required and fine-tuned stages of image processing and measurement calibration. With an experienced camera manufacturer this can lead to a high performance product that is very accurate and performs very well indeed. It is the harder development path to take though and there is the risk of issues with a new design.

The Thermal Master THOR camera has been mentioned. This is a case that challenged both me and Thermal Master in terms of discovering what was going on inside the cameras measurement system. When a manufacturer decides to try a new approach to Radiometric thermal imaging, issues can arise and need to be addressed by the design team. I have never been told what caused the unusual measurement behaviour in the original THOR cameras, but Thermal Master appear confident that they have now addressed the issues with new firmware, and even released a new platform revision. I believe that Thermal Master were trying to improve Radiometric accuracy using ‘Smart’ algorithms, and something went wrong. We may never know the details of why the THOR cameras suffered from measurement accuracy issues.

Thankfully it would be uncommon to find a decent modern fully Radiometric thermal imaging camera with poor temperature measurement accuracy these days. There really is no excuse for such in a general use Radiometric thermal camera. Some specialist application cameras prioritise imaging performance, and high frame rate, over temperature measurement accuracy. These normally reflect this in their specifications or lack the measurement function to avoid misleading the user. Wildlife spotting scopes and some USB dongles are examples of such systems.

I have seen less than stellar measurement accuracy and stability in very cheap thermal cameras that are built down to a price, but such is almost to be expected as these devices use the cheapest available components and minimalist designs. The manufacturer should reflect this in the specifications. Some do and some do not. I tested a prototype camera that used the SEEK THERMAL QVGA Mosaic imaging core and was shocked to see measurement errors of around 10 Celsius and very poor measurement stability. The warm-up time was also excessive. It transpired that the designer of the electronics package had never worked with SEEK THERMAL imaging cores before and was having difficulty understanding the English Language core integration documentation. Mistakes were made but I highlighted them before the camera was released and they were addressed and corrected by a new, more experienced, design engineer. There is always a chance that a designer will make a mistake or a production issue occurs, but thankfully such appears rare these days.

It is my experience that consumer grade Radiometric thermal imaging cameras normally meet the measurement accuracy specification stated in their specifications. Some claim the common “+/-2C or +/-2%” accuracy, whilst others state “+/-3C or +/-3%” as they are being very honest about what you are getting for your money. I have seen some cameras stating a measurement accuracy of “+/-5C or +/-5%” but there is normally a good reason for this. Either they are “bargain basement” models, or they are specialist cameras intended for mainly non Radiometric tasks, such as wildlife observation or SAR duties.
The better quality Radiometric thermal cameras still state an accuracy of “+/-2C or +/-2%” in their specifications, but I regularly see them providing far better accuracy than this specification. They are professional designs that acknowledge the “Industry standard” measurement accuracy figures, but they are designed to provide significantly better measurement accuracy, stability and repeatability. That is what you pay the higher price for when buying an industrial fully Radiometric thermal imaging camera. My FLIR E40 (upgraded to E60) normally provides measurements within +/-0.3C of that set on a calibrated Blackbody Thermal Reference. That E40 was built in 2013 and has not been calibrated since. You get what you pay for with most Industrial thermal imaging cameras. The question is….do people actually need such excellent accuracy for many generic tasks where other, non camera related, factors will potentially adversely affect the measurement accuracy anyway ? An example would be guessing the Emissivity value of the target surface. There is much opportunity for measurement errors to creep in due to an incorrect emissivity setting.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2026, 01:12:57 am »
Just for a different option, I've been quite happy with my Thermal Master P2 Pro, which plugs into my iPhone.  Comes with a macro lens, which is convenient for PCB use since I think a lot of image problems are due to an inability to focus that close.  Not sure if this would qualify as suck-free?  But with a 30 day return policy from Amazon...  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DYDZXCMC?th=1
My iPhone version has a lightning plug, the Android version has USB C.
 

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2026, 05:49:18 pm »
As I passed by this thread after a first search for a thermal camera advise, I would like to know what budget models you would suggest for watching electronic components heat while troubleshooting, for example to detect a TO-92 transistor heating due to higher emitter current than usual, a shorted smd MLCC, etc.

In my case, I would especially prefer :
- A "gun" type, so no smartphone plug-ins
- Adjustable thermal range, as suggested elsewhere on this forum.

Any advise appreciated.
 

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2026, 08:06:33 pm »
Does this require a special app to operate?

I have a UNI-T thermal camera from around 2019 that runs (on its own application) through USB-C on android. It has so far proved invaluable, and I'd suggest it to the OP. I personally prefer the workflow of a camera connected to a phone, as this can make it much easier to share thermal images to customers etc. I used to travel extensively for work too, and so I needed something more portable, I am already carrying a HD Capacitive touch screen phone, why carry another entire screen, battery, etc etc. (Same goes for my USB Endoscope)

To answer OPs question, it sounds Luke your use case is similar to mine. In that you are only really needing to see side by side thermal comparisons (eg gradients) in which case I think you could use a significantly cheaper option from China.

If anyone here has a recommendation for a thermal camera that can run on open source Android apps, I'd be very interested. Along with a borescope!

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2026, 07:08:16 am »
Soooooo.  Went with the C8.  It just arrived today from Mouser.......  There is no way this is new, right?2880824-0
 

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2026, 11:45:42 am »
My rule is that if the seals on the box are not intact, with no signs of tampering, the object is likely not brand new and may be a customer return. In the UK they are rules about reselling customer returns that have been opened. Such items are normally resold as “Inspected Returns” and sold at a discount. “Amazon Warehouse” products are an example of such.

The shedding of the box interior all over the camera is unusual and not something I would expect FLIR to accept as covering the camera in paper dust in not a good look. This could be faulty packaging, hence a previous customer return situation. I would reject this camera.

I would not be willing to accept your unit as “new” At best, it was purchased, the customer changed their mind, and it was returned, unused. The broken box seals suggest that it has been opened, even if not switched on. Are there any images stored in the camera ? Some dishonest customers use an item for a quick check and then return it for a refund. That still does not explain the shedding of the box interior though. Very unusual.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2026, 11:55:09 am »
A quick google on the causes of cardboard box insert shedding of fibres came back with this…….

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Root Causes of Shedding

Short Recycled Fibres: Highly recycled paper stock contains physically shorter cellulose fibres that lack strong internal bonding, causing loose surface dust and lint to easily break free.

Mechanical Friction/Die-Cutting: Dull cutting blades, slotters, or score lines on converting machinery grind against recycled board substrates rather than cutting them cleanly, generating loose particulate debris.

Environmental Brittleness: Extremely dry storage conditions or temperature swings evaporate the natural moisture content in the paper, causing the flutes and edges to fracture and shed powder.

Friction and Vibration: Constant rubbing between the product and the raw, unsealed cardboard edges during transit shakes loose any poorly adhered surface fuzz.
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So the cause of your box interior shedding could, potentially, be caused by the unit having a long rough journey to you, or the previous customer. If the unit was bought, shipped, returned by a previous customer and then shipped to you, there is ample opportunity for excess vibration during its multiple journeys. That, combined with relatively poor quality insert quality, may explain the condition of your camera when received. The box seals were broken though and that suggests a customer return after opening the box.

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Re: Camera Recommendation
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2026, 10:58:37 pm »
Even though it took them well over a week to ship, unless the 3 hour drive from me to the Mouser warehouse had the entire highway replaced with cobblestone, it wasn't the trip to me that did that....lol.
 
I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some odd packing material flir was known for or anything.  Also kind of taken aback by the fact that the thing didn't even have peel off plastic on the lens.  Almost $1,000 and flir couldn't even be bothered to put a piece of plastic anywhere to protect the fragile thing this entire product is built around.  Unless of course the first person that got it forgot to put it back of course.  Add that to the not sealed nature of the product (the square tape that was used on top of the circular tape), this thing is going back.   
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