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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #200 on: June 26, 2018, 10:24:25 pm »
That's right, the more the persistence the worse... for fast moving objects.
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #201 on: June 27, 2018, 01:15:28 am »
Jeepers

All this angst over a pc build.

I think this whole discussion is a great example of Perfect being the enemy of Done!

The new PC renders videos to Dave’s satisfaction, we get more videos to enjoy. Win win.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #202 on: June 27, 2018, 02:12:29 am »
Dave,

As much as I enjoy your exploits in various avenues, might I suggest the next time you do a PC build you limit your publication of the fact to a level of detail along the lines of this:  "Just built a new PC.  It does what I want really well and was within my budget ... and, NO, I'm not discussing it."

Cheers  :-+
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #203 on: June 27, 2018, 02:25:10 am »
Discussion and interaction is always good, Look at the activity on the site :) 

Beyond that, PC building is something that will never result in all users being happy with every choice.

A cooling setup like this would net you half of the users complaining that you have inadequate cooling :)



The best you can hope for is to avoid things that would be a clear money waster, e.g., those addressable RGB fans, custom sleeved cables and other things that adds tons of money to the cost while not improving performance. I have seen many builds where a user goes with 16GB of RAM instead of 32GB just so they could budget in more RGB.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #204 on: June 27, 2018, 02:41:39 am »
Dave,

As much as I enjoy your exploits in various avenues, might I suggest the next time you do a PC build you limit your publication of the fact to a level of detail along the lines of this:  "Just built a new PC.  It does what I want really well and was within my budget ... and, NO, I'm not discussing it."

Cheers  :-+

It's all fun and games. We get to see what priorities various people have. We get to learn a little about real things as well as myths and PC build voodoo.
PC build discussions are like politics and religion. There is no end and there is no solution and many times there is no rationality.

The last major PC build I did personally was guided very similar to what appears to be guiding Dave - practicality and a sensible pre-planned budget. It is STILL my primary workstation. I am typing this post on it right now. A 9-year-old PC that is still effective for my needs....SolidWorks, MasterCAM, Adobe Premiere PRO, etc, etc......crazy.

If you pick the parts that are suited to your needs, you can go the distance and get a lot of bang for the buck. If I listened to the masses on forums at the time, this PC would likely be in the trash heap by now.

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #205 on: June 27, 2018, 03:50:20 am »
A cooling setup like this would net you half of the users complaining that you have inadequate cooling :)



WTF?  :-DD

I know of somebody who went with a PowerMac G4 overclocked and cooled ~ like that... asking Apple to fix it under warranty. The matter ended in court.
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #206 on: June 27, 2018, 04:13:34 am »
is anything fundamentally "wrong" about my build?

Those RGB DIMMS have to be the tackiest memory I have ever seen. :-)

Do they do anything else apart from what we saw?
You don't seem to have seen the latest and most tackiest of trends in the world of RGB memory DIMMS: Getting rid of the memory  :-DD
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/6/5/17425330/gigabyte-color-changing-ram-aorus-rgb-led-ddr4-controllable-computex

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A cooling setup like this would net you half of the users complaining that you have inadequate cooling :)


And the other half of the users might think that this is a still from an ad for sanitary pads. So much blue fluid... ;)

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #207 on: June 28, 2018, 07:59:45 pm »
Solution: Get it opened up on video (alongside the one you took out....) :popcorn:

I did, a teardown is in the video, it's exactly what I'd expect for the price, and a surprise of a Japanese main filter cap.
IDK what you payed for that but you got ripped off, my PSU (XFX Pro 650 Modular) was sub 100€ but its light years away from yours:


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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #208 on: June 28, 2018, 08:43:23 pm »
Solution: Get it opened up on video (alongside the one you took out....) :popcorn:

I did, a teardown is in the video, it's exactly what I'd expect for the price, and a surprise of a Japanese main filter cap.
IDK what you payed for that but you got ripped off, my PSU (XFX Pro 650 Modular) was sub 100€ but its light years away from yours:
FWIW your PSU severely is outdated, dunno when you bought it for sub EUR 100. For EUR 80 you can get a very good 650W 80+ gold rated psu. Hatsinks inside it will be tiny as in Dave's PSU. But that's because heat dissipation is much lower.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2018, 09:02:13 pm »
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IDK what you payed for that but you got ripped off, my PSU (XFX Pro 650 Modular) was sub 100€ but its light years away from yours:
FWIW your PSU severely is outdated, dunno when you bought it for sub EUR 100. For EUR 80 you can get a very good 650W 80+ gold rated psu. Hatsinks inside it will be tiny as in Dave's PSU. But that's because heat dissipation is much lower.
Dave's budget PSU is 80+ Bronze, not Gold as your comment seems to imply. As what i could tell from a cursory Google search, the XFX PSU mentioned here is also 80+ Bronze certified (might be wrong though, because i don't know whether XFX would sell different PSUs under the same model name). Given that and the same power rating of both PSUs, you cannot really argue that one PSU is better because it has smaller heatsinks. Nor can Lockon Stratos argue that larger heatsinks are automatically an indicator for a better PSU design. (One could say with larger heatsinks the thing can run cooler, or possibly quieter with regard to fan noise.)
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #210 on: June 28, 2018, 09:23:45 pm »
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IDK what you payed for that but you got ripped off, my PSU (XFX Pro 650 Modular) was sub 100€ but its light years away from yours:
FWIW your PSU severely is outdated, dunno when you bought it for sub EUR 100. For EUR 80 you can get a very good 650W 80+ gold rated psu. Hatsinks inside it will be tiny as in Dave's PSU. But that's because heat dissipation is much lower.
Dave's budget PSU is 80+ Bronze, not Gold as your comment seems to imply. As what i could tell from a cursory Google search, the XFX PSU mentioned here is also 80+ Bronze certified (might be wrong though, because i don't know whether XFX would sell different PSUs under the same model name). Given that and the same power rating of both PSUs, you cannot really argue that one PSU is better because it has smaller heatsinks. Nor can Lockon Stratos argue that larger heatsinks are automatically an indicator for a better PSU design. (One could say with larger heatsinks the thing can run cooler, or possibly quieter with regard to fan noise.)
I did not say that Dave's PSU is good (it's not). What I was meaning is that XFX on the picture is severely outdated and is nothing to brag about (especially mentioning EUR 100 for a bronze rated PSU) or taken as example how PSU should be built.
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #211 on: June 28, 2018, 09:46:07 pm »
I did not say that Dave's PSU is good (it's not). What I was meaning is that XFX on the picture is severely outdated and is nothing to brag about (especially mentioning EUR 100 for a bronze rated PSU) or taken as example how PSU should be built.
Well, on the other hand, the manufacturer of this XFX PSU seems to be SeaSonic (the two sources i found mentioning the manufacturer for this PSU - KitGuru and Tom's Hardware - both agree on it being SeaSonic). So yeah, based on this datapoint alone i tend to believe that trust the XFX PSU is indeed better more than Dave's budget PSU. And how could you brag these days without having a full gamut christmas lighting illuminating the things you want to brag about...? ;)

(Not that i would trust XFX or any of those other brand-only vendors that much, even if the OEM of some of their PSUs is SeaSonic or another of similar reputation. They could mix and switch OEMs on a whim across product families and series, and it would take effort to keep track of whether a certain version of a product from those brand-only vendors is good, okay-ish, or a turd.)
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #212 on: June 29, 2018, 07:50:04 am »
Solution: Get it opened up on video (alongside the one you took out....) :popcorn:

I did, a teardown is in the video, it's exactly what I'd expect for the price, and a surprise of a Japanese main filter cap.
IDK what you payed for that but you got ripped off, my PSU (XFX Pro 650 Modular) was sub 100€ but its light years away from yours:
FWIW your PSU severely is outdated, dunno when you bought it for sub EUR 100. For EUR 80 you can get a very good 650W 80+ gold rated psu. Hatsinks inside it will be tiny as in Dave's PSU. But that's because heat dissipation is much lower.
Its maybe old(i bought it 4 years ago) but its a whole other league compared to the one Dave got. Exposed point-to point mains wiring vs a separate board for mains input, cheapest possible one sided PCB vs double sided normal PCB........
Sorry but that PSU is just so crap i cant even understand how Dave can trust it.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #213 on: June 29, 2018, 08:44:39 am »
Its maybe old(i bought it 4 years ago) but its a whole other league compared to the one Dave got. Exposed point-to point mains wiring vs a separate board for mains input, cheapest possible one sided PCB vs double sided normal PCB........
Sorry but that PSU is just so crap i cant even understand how Dave can trust it.
4 years ago it already was 4y old model. That PSU probably will work just fine unless put under high load for prolonged times. Which won't happen with his current hardware unless he does some extreme overclock. What I mean is that good modern 650W PSU does not look like yours. It actually more likely to look like Dave's in regards of amount of empty space inside. My old 1kW 80+ bronze PSU I bought in 2008 looks about the same as yours, except it had longer case and somewhat denser component population. My current 1kW platinum is quiet different.
Here is how even 5y old model of 650W platinum PSU look like. Recent models more likely to have polymer caps instead.

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #214 on: June 29, 2018, 09:50:54 am »
Exposed point-to point mains wiring vs a separate board for mains input

Oh no, that's horribly unsafe and it's going to fail!!! Except no, that's the way it's been done for decades and is fine. Welcome to low cost equipment.

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cheapest possible one sided PCB vs double sided normal PCB........

Have you never looked at consumer electronics before?

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Sorry but that PSU is just so crap i cant even understand how Dave can trust it.

It's not that crap. Really. It's nothing I'd spec for a machine like that, but it's better than what the majority of us used for decades.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #215 on: June 29, 2018, 10:22:57 am »
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Sorry but that PSU is just so crap i cant even understand how Dave can trust it.
It's a pc power supply. It's not going into space, in a boat nor an airplane.
When it dies or acts up, you replace it; Done. :)






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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #216 on: June 29, 2018, 04:49:36 pm »
That PSU probably will work just fine unless put under high load for prolonged times.
Its stable under prolonged high load too. 4670k@4,5GHz 1,33V+R9 290X(i changed this one out for a rx vega a few days ago), when i got them the first thing was to fire up stress test on bot the CPU and GPU and run them when i was awake for 2 days.... (Followed up by a full day Unigine bench run to make sure that the VRAM is fine too.) Same thing when i watercooled them and OC-ed the CPU, and it handled it without stability issues.

@Monkeh, @DimitriP
It is crap, there is a reason why proper PSU's look like what i linked(and its not because of its age). Those rock bottom cost ones lack everything that does not required for them to work, including all of the things that prevents damage to your PC.
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #217 on: June 29, 2018, 06:15:08 pm »
When it dies or acts up, you replace it; Done. :)

Unless it destroys the rest of the PC before finally catching fire.

(nb. I'm not implying it it will or that other PSUs won't, just that it's not always a single component that fails)
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #218 on: June 29, 2018, 06:57:36 pm »
That PSU probably will work just fine unless put under high load for prolonged times.
Its stable under prolonged high load too. 4670k@4,5GHz 1,33V+R9 290X(i changed this one out for a rx vega a few days ago), when i got them the first thing was to fire up stress test on bot the CPU and GPU and run them when i was awake for 2 days.... (Followed up by a full day Unigine bench run to make sure that the VRAM is fine too.) Same thing when i watercooled them and OC-ed the CPU, and it handled it without stability issues.
I wrote that about Dave's PSU, not yours.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #219 on: June 30, 2018, 10:41:32 am »
Here is how even 5y old model of 650W platinum PSU look like. Recent models more likely to have polymer caps instead.
Urgh, FSP Aurum. God I hate that design.
Because its probably the only group regulated 80plus Gold/Platinum thing there is.
I really didn't like it when be quiet used the Aurum to replace the E8, I don't like it more now.

As for Efficiency, 80plus Platinum are just optimized Gold Designs most of the times (alway exceptions to the rule there are).


The Reason why Polymers are more often seen these days is because they probably became cheaper and also bigger sizes are available.
Until a couple of Months ago, I've only ever seen the 8x8mm 470µF/16V Types.
But recently I see other dimensions more.

Here another somewhat OKish and the cheapest 80plus Goldish on the Market. 230V Only of course.

 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #220 on: June 30, 2018, 11:00:53 am »
230V Only of course.
Really? Are there left any ATX PSUs without wide input voltage range? It certainly has PFC, so should work from 100+V as well.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #221 on: June 30, 2018, 11:58:18 am »
230V Only of course.
Really? Are there left any ATX PSUs without wide input voltage range? It certainly has PFC, so should work from 100+V as well.
Yes there are, but mostly in the lower price region.
Because you can cheap out on the PFC stage as you need less current to go through that. But most of the 230VAC ONLY units are to be avoided, only a couple are somewhat decent. And the list is rather short.
We are talking about be quiet System Power 9, Xilence Performance A+ und X. And that's about it.
And there are also some Super Flower PSU that are, obviously, 230VAC only. But you can look it up yourself. Because it should hit you like a truck when you see it ^^


With that you can spot a 230VAC PFC pretty easy, if you know what you are looking for.
For example, look at this enormous PFC Coil of another 230VAC Only unit (Cougar STX350W)


So you can use a smaller PFC Coil, lower amperage full Bridge Rectifier, PFC Diode and also PFC MOSFETs...
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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #222 on: July 01, 2018, 04:43:06 am »
I wrote that about Dave's PSU, not yours.
Whoops, sorry. BTW if a PSU looks like Dave's on the inside you better get real PSU and throw that junk to where it belongs.
 

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Re: 4K Video Editing PC Build
« Reply #223 on: August 20, 2018, 02:39:24 am »
I get it now.  I decided I wanted to start posting some videos on YouTube, so picked up a copy of Vegas, and rendered what would be 35m of video.  8hrs on this old clunker.  Luckily I was able to source a six-core CPU to swap for the dual (plus it's a bit faster to start), so it's down to 2 now, but yeah, I get it.
 


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