Any house with a 3 car garage and anything built after about 1975 is going to have a 200A service
QuoteAny house with a 3 car garage and anything built after about 1975 is going to have a 200A serviceMaybe were you are,but i can count on1handfinger the number of domestic premises ive seen were anything over 125A was present,and even 125A aint that common.
Really the longer term solution is it should not need 200W to charge a battery, but probably requires the 12V system to be redesigned somewhat so the charging CAN bus doesn't mean that half the car's powertrain and modules also switch on. (I'm looking at you, VW. Why does the infotainment unit bus run while charging?)
Really the longer term solution is it should not need 200W to charge a battery, but probably requires the 12V system to be redesigned somewhat so the charging CAN bus doesn't mean that half the car's powertrain and modules also switch on. (I'm looking at you, VW. Why does the infotainment unit bus run while charging?)
Since the MPGe figures used on the window stickers in the US are based on energy used at the plug, manufacturers want to make this as efficient as practical. My Ford initially left a lot of stuff off during charging, most notably the 12VDC power supply. They had to reprogram that because the 12V batteries were going dead in some use cases and not lasting very long in others. The 'infotainment bus' (not the term Ford uses) would have to be lit up because the car communicates (or did) via its now obsolete 3G data module. Between that and the coolant pumps, it may well use 100W+ even without active heating or cooling of the battery pack.
At the moment I'm paying nearly 80 eurocent per kWh over here... even my old gas guzzling car on gasoline is cheaper compared to a BEV.
Yes, but that's not normal is it?Likely to last for at least this year. I ordered a bunch of new solar panels to put on the roof. They'll pay for themselves in less than 18 months. I don't see electricity prices going down to pre 2022 levels soon. Russian gas is much cheaper compared to importing LNG.
QuoteAny house with a 3 car garage and anything built after about 1975 is going to have a 200A serviceMaybe were you are,but i can count on1handfinger the number of domestic premises ive seen were anything over 125A was present,and even 125A aint that common.
When the electricity price was more than 1 EUR/kwh, I was seriously calculating if it's cheaper to run the house from a diesel generator than from the network. They have something like 0.4L/kwh efficiency, and diesel is like 2 EUR/L. I tell you what, the situation has nothing to do with the east, it's just extra profit for the utilities.
Check the prices yourself. https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data
So why does it cost 80 cents? Cause we are sheep who pays, instead of getting the pitchforks and the torches.
When I was in the UK I don't recall seeing *any* houses with 3 car garages
When the electricity price was more than 1 EUR/kwh, I was seriously calculating if it's cheaper to run the house from a diesel generator than from the network. They have something like 0.4L/kwh efficiency, and diesel is like 2 EUR/L. I tell you what, the situation has nothing to do with the east, it's just extra profit for the utilities.
Check the prices yourself. https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data
So why does it cost 80 cents? Cause we are sheep who pays, instead of getting the pitchforks and the torches.
A lot of the time I think it's down to many EVs being built on ICE platforms, so they're not designed with power in mind.
QuoteWhen I was in the UK I don't recall seeing *any* houses with 3 car garagesBut 3 and 4 car family's are plentiful here with the kids staying with mum and dad longer
QuoteWhen I was in the UK I don't recall seeing *any* houses with 3 car garagesBut 3 and 4 car family's are plentiful here with the kids staying with mum and dad longer
Each driving hundreds of miles a day?
While they are extreme edge cases, such families exist. Tend to be general contractors, industrial farmers, agricultural buyers and such. People whose jobs take them all over the place. Having multiples in a family is no surprise. An amazing number of job types follow family lines - in fields as diverse as entertainment and the military.
While they are extreme edge cases, such families exist. Tend to be general contractors, industrial farmers, agricultural buyers and such. People whose jobs take them all over the place. Having multiples in a family is no surprise. An amazing number of job types follow family lines - in fields as diverse as entertainment and the military.
You can always find edge cases, but they are exactly that, edge cases and they are irrelevant in terms of general adoption. ICE powered cars aren't going anywhere any time soon, and 400 or even 600A residential service exist, people that have those very niche cases have other options. The fact that there are a handful of people for which a given solution won't work doesn't mean that it isn't a viable solution.
When the electricity price was more than 1 EUR/kwh, I was seriously calculating if it's cheaper to run the house from a diesel generator than from the network. They have something like 0.4L/kwh efficiency, and diesel is like 2 EUR/L. I tell you what, the situation has nothing to do with the east, it's just extra profit for the utilities.
Check the prices yourself. https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data
So why does it cost 80 cents? Cause we are sheep who pays, instead of getting the pitchforks and the torches.
It is the price we pay for having the fighting in Ukraine now, not further west in years to come.
Cheap at the price.
I think you misunderstand. I'm pointing out, that the wholesale price of electricity is around 15-17c/KWh all around Europe, while we are being charged 4-5 times as much. Now unless distribution and other costs suddenly increased, which have nothing to do with the war, this is just marking up a product, where the customer has no choice just keep buying it. And it's done by all the power companies collectively, as I hear, all across Europe.
In my opinion banning ICE cars in the short term is stupid and will cause massive problems. EVs are already taking over, we don't need to ban anything, people should have a choice. Here the bans they are talking about allow plug-in hybrids so I suspect we'll see a lot of hybrids that have a token charger built in so they can be plugged in but I doubt most people will actually bother to do so due to the very limited amount of energy storage.
Most industry commentators believe the ban will be extended to deal with supply issues so I wouldn’t focus on a given year
But I fully support a hard ban , leave it up to individuals and you’ll have people buying 2nd hand dino juice for years
The point is the environmental challenges are forcing regulatory Changes that needs hard laws no more then unpalatable herd reduction etc is also on the cards. This can’t be done voluntary, a carrot and stick approach is needed. Dino juice is going like asbestos , bye bye .
Most industry commentators believe the ban will be extended to deal with supply issues so I wouldn’t focus on a given year
But I fully support a hard ban , leave it up to individuals and you’ll have people buying 2nd hand dino juice for years
The point is the environmental challenges are forcing regulatory Changes that needs hard laws no more then unpalatable herd reduction etc is also on the cards. This can’t be done voluntary, a carrot and stick approach is needed. Dino juice is going like asbestos , bye bye .
Frankly I think it's absurd we're still allowing the sale of some luxury petrol/diesel vehicles.
For instance I can walk into a dealership now and buy a 3L Range Rover petrol SUV. A horrible vehicle for many reasons, not least due to who usually drives it, but with a huge emissions profile too.
"Nobody" needs such a vehicle yet it will likely be on the roads for 15-20 years. I would like to see the >£50k price bracket be electric only with very few exceptions for e.g. work trucks and the like. At the lower end ordinary consumers can still buy a Golf, Focus etc. powered by petrol whilst EVs remain inaccessible for them for a number of reasons like not having somewhere to park and charge.
The point is the environmental challenges are forcing regulatory Changes ..............
What environmental changes ?
Based on what science ?
Does it take into account the largest atmospheric event in 140 years ?
Who's agenda is driving this and for who's benefit ?
Most industry commentators believe the ban will be extended to deal with supply issues so I wouldn’t focus on a given year
But I fully support a hard ban , leave it up to individuals and you’ll have people buying 2nd hand dino juice for years
The point is the environmental challenges are forcing regulatory Changes that needs hard laws no more then unpalatable herd reduction etc is also on the cards. This can’t be done voluntary, a carrot and stick approach is needed. Dino juice is going like asbestos , bye bye .
Frankly I think it's absurd we're still allowing the sale of some luxury petrol/diesel vehicles.
For instance I can walk into a dealership now and buy a 3L Range Rover petrol SUV. A horrible vehicle for many reasons, not least due to who usually drives it, but with a huge emissions profile too.
"Nobody" needs such a vehicle yet it will likely be on the roads for 15-20 years.
In some countries the sale of new Petrol/Diesel Cars is due to be banned imminently.
In my opinion banning ICE cars in the short term is stupid and will cause massive problems. EVs are already taking over, we don't need to ban anything, people should have a choice. Here the bans they are talking about allow plug-in hybrids so I suspect we'll see a lot of hybrids that have a token charger built in so they can be plugged in but I doubt most people will actually bother to do so due to the very limited amount of energy storage.
Most industry commentators believe the ban will be extended to deal with supply issues so I wouldn’t focus on a given year
But I fully support a hard ban , leave it up to individuals and you’ll have people buying 2nd hand dino juice cars mfor years
The point is the environmental challenges are forcing regulatory Changes that needs hard laws no more then unpalatable herd reduction etc is also on the cards. This can’t be done voluntary, a carrot and stick approach is needed. Dino juice is going like asbestos , bye bye .
Hrbrufs are a transition tech , bad value , unbeccessart with newer BEVs and they are choking up public chargers when they could just fill with petrol ! They need to be banned as they are really ICE cars in disguise and the dual money allows them to cheat on the emmisions statistics and benefit in many countries fro lower tax when in fact they are using a petrol engine , it’s a ratings scam