It's "sodder", not "soLder", damnit! (for us USAians)

[Analog Kid]

This guy in his videos



says "soLder". "SoLdering".

Not only that, he even mentions it in his video.

BZZZZZZT! Wrong!!!

Now if he were in the UK or Yurp or somewhere else he might be excused for this pronunciation.
But the guy's American, for chrissakes. (In Illinois, apparently.)
Nobody here pronounces the word that way!
Seems like some kind of affectation to me.

Let the bickering begin!

(Oh, and he has crappy music in his videos too.)

[Monkeh]

Are these rants about how the world doesn't conform to your preconceptions going to become daily?

[cunningfellow]

Amazing how a whole country can be wrong.

Soldering is something you do with a soldering iron.

Soddering is something that happens to you if you go to prison

[gnif]

I entirely agree, it's so grating to hear "soddering" or "sodered". I appreciate that the country has a different pronunciation just like with Aluminium (which btw has been standardised by IUPAC as the international standard), but it doesn't make it sound any better.
On occasion I have also seen creators call both braising and soldering 'welding'.

[IanB]

Funnily enough, I can pronounce solder in a British accent with a silent L, in fact that would be a rather common pronunciation. The OL letter combination becomes a kind of OHW diphthong. Sort of like sohwder, rhyming with words like cold and fold, that also are commonly pronounced with a silent L.

[gnif]

Funnily enough, I can pronounce solder in a British accent with a silent L, in fact that would be a rather common pronunciation. The OL letter combination becomes a kind of OHW diphthong. Sort of like sohwder, rhyming with words like cold and fold, that also are commonly pronounced with a silent L.

Interesting, I have never heard "cold" or "fold" with a silent L

[brucehoult]

Amazing how a whole country can be wrong.

Soldering is something you do with a soldering iron.

Soldering and brazing were in use 2500-3000 years ago. The Romans used lead/tin solder in plumbing.

The English *word* comes from Latin solidare or solidus which clearly have pronounced 'l's. The verb soldering is recorded by 1466 (Paston Letters ... Norfolk gentry), before the Americas were (re)discovered.

It's not unusual for pronunciation to drift in isolated communities such as the USA.

Soddering is something that happens to you if you go to prison

Not if you're holding a bar of soap, apparently. :p

Again, this seems to be more common / expected to be inevitable / part of the punishment in the USA.

[lowimpedance]

If anyone is interested to delve into it further, it has been discussed at length in 2014,2018 and 2022 here. So 2026 means its due again 

And its Solder 

[Analog Kid]

It's not unusual for pronunciation to drift in isolated communities such as the USA.

Heh; dunno how "isolated" we are, being the once "unipolar power", but I guess now during Trump II we're getting there.

That is really the point of my posting, which is that that is how we "septics" (dunno about Canadians) pronounce it, even if the rest of the sodding world pronounces it differently.

Therefore that guy with the YooToob videos is some kind of prima donna or other attention-monger by using that completely non-standard (to us, you understand) pronunciation. And furthermore by defending it.

[Analog Kid]

If anyone is interested to delve into it further, it has been discussed at length in 2014,2018 and 2022 here. So 2026 means its due again 

And its Solder 

It's that to you. Not to us.
To us it's "sodder".
Why can't people get that through their thick skulls.

Not everyone in the world talks the way you do. (Thank god!)

[gnif]

If anyone is interested to delve into it further, it has been discussed at length in 2014,2018 and 2022 here. So 2026 means its due again 

And its Solder 

It's that to you. Not to us.
To us it's "sodder".
Why can't people get that through their thick skulls.

Not everyone in the world talks the way you do. (Thank god!)

Yet here you are in your very first comment correcting complaining that someone talks different to you?

[lowimpedance]

If anyone is interested to delve into it further, it has been discussed at length in 2014,2018 and 2022 here. So 2026 means its due again 

And its Solder 

It's that to you. Not to us.
To us it's "sodder".
Why can't people get that through their thick skulls.

Not everyone in the world talks the way you do. (Thank god!)

Good for you..
Rather than wasting time creating more endless discussion on this already done to death topic see previous threads, or why don't you PM 'John tinkers' to ask for his opinion, he's a registered user here.

[IanB]

Interesting, I have never heard "cold" or "fold" with a silent L

So cold and fold have a so-called dark L sound. In the video below, listen to how Emma pronounces cold. Then imagine saying it fast and casually, without really enunciating it. The L sound is basically going to disappear:

https://youtu.be/46_JQbfEtjM?si=DlJtsBIRI2sNun2_&t=608

[Analog Kid]

Not everyone in the world talks the way you do. (Thank god!)

Yet here you are in your very first comment correcting complaining that someone talks different to you?

First of all, we say "different from", thank you very much. (That's another rant for another day.)

No, I'm complaining about someone from my country who insists that his pronunciation of solder is "correct" (it's in that video somewhere) when actually it's not, given that all his fellow countrymen, including me, pronounce it with a silent "L".

You over there can pronounce it any way you like, and that's fine by me.

It's as incorrect as my Turkish friend who pronounced the L in "half" (couldn't blame him for reading it phonetically).
And I had another friend who pronounced the "t" in "often", which is just as incorrect. For us, that is.

[Analog Kid]

Interesting, I have never heard "cold" or "fold" with a silent L

So cold and fold have a so-called dark L sound. In the video below, listen to how Emma pronounces cold. Then imagine saying it fast and casually, without really enunciating it. The L sound is basically going to disappear:

https://youtu.be/46_JQbfEtjM?si=DlJtsBIRI2sNun2_&t=608

Yes, but that's a fur piece from "code" or "fode", with a completely missing "L". (I guess you'd pronounce it that way if you had a code in your node.)

[IanB]

Yes, but that's a fur piece from "code" or "fode", with a completely missing "L". (I guess you'd pronounce it that way if you had a code in your node.)

It's a different vowel sound.

Yolk and folk have a truly silent L and have the code vowel. Cold and fold have a dark L and a different vowel sound, the same vowel that is in goal, old and bowl.

There is also something called "L vocalization" where the dark L becomes something more like a W sound, which happens in some English accents.

[kite31]

Actually she is dropping the D from cold, not the L. She says so: "we're going to cut the D in cold and run straight to the T on today."

Anyway, everyone around these parts says, literally, cold, unless they have one when it might be code.

[brucehoult]

It's not unusual for pronunciation to drift in isolated communities such as the USA.

Heh; dunno how "isolated" we are, being the once "unipolar power", but I guess now during Trump II we're getting there.

I mean the 18th and 19th centuries.

No one cares if you have your local pronunciations, you're welcome to them. What the rest of us care about is you telling us yours are correct and ours are wrong.

I literally could care less, fr. (to use your dialect)

[Analog Kid]

No one cares if you have your local pronunciations, you're welcome to them. What the rest of us care about is you telling us yours are correct and ours are wrong.

That's a misreading of what I wrote. Perhaps I didn't express myself that well.

What I mean is that "soLder" is incorrect for us. The accepted pronunciation here is "sodder" (that's what's in our dictionaries too).

Not wrong for you. It would be quite cavalier and presumptuous of me to insist on that.

[Halcyon]

You Yanks are weird.

 

[Analog Kid]

You Yanks are weird.

 

Right back atcha.

[Andy Chee]

So where can I get some SOLDER-wick?

[krish2487]

You Yanks are weird.

 

But we havent even gotten to the SI vs metric wars yet!!! 

[tooki]

Amazing how a whole country can be wrong.

Soldering is something you do with a soldering iron.

Soldering and brazing were in use 2500-3000 years ago. The Romans used lead/tin solder in plumbing.

The English *word* comes from Latin solidare or solidus which clearly have pronounced 'l's. The verb soldering is recorded by 1466 (Paston Letters ... Norfolk gentry), before the Americas were (re)discovered.

Just one small problem with your etymology: it is incorrect. English got the word not from Latin, but from French, by which point the L had already been dropped. Then, after the US colonies were established, English in the UK underwent a wave of “re-latinization”, during which the L was added back. And that change never propagated to the US.

It's not unusual for pronunciation to drift in isolated communities such as the USA.

As a general statement, that is true. However, in the specific case of English, it is actually British English that drifted far more. This is well established by historical linguists of English (for example, the British linguist David Crystal, who has written several definitive works on the history of English, published by Cambridge University Press.)

The best summary of the situation is this: since British English and American English “split”, both dialects have evolved away from the common ancestor, but British English evolved away more. So where the dialects differ, there is a greater chance that American English retains, or is closer to, the original form.

(I studied linguistics at university, so I have a deeper background in this than the average Joe.)

[tooki]

You Yanks are weird.

 

Not as weird as Brits and Aussies losing their minds each and every time they hear the American pronunciation of “soldering”!

(Upon which they then embark on an explanation of Americans “dropping” the L, giving an incorrect etymology, and often tacking on some rant about Americans “bastardizing” “their” language, when in actuality the British bastardized it more!)