It's "sodder", not "soLder", damnit! (for us USAians)

[eutectique]

[..] this indicates a deep-seated inferiority complex on the part of us Yanks, like the Brits (or Yurpeens) are so much more better than us [..]

So, that is the true reason of all this soon-to-be-multipage logorrhea.

[brucehoult]

So where can I get some SOLDER-wick?

(Attachment Link)

Well, there you go. What better proof of our pronunciation than that trade name ("SODER-WICK")?

Not to mention Duck Tape.

[Zero999]

This is an old, long worn out topic.

I even started a poll.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/pronunciation-of-the-word-solder/msg2044675/#msg2044675

It's not just whether the L is pronounced or not. In South East England, the L often sounds like a W. Some pronounce the o in solder the same as in so.

According to the poll, the most common variant here is sold ah.

When I created the poll,  I forgot that some accents are rhotic, i.e. South-West England, Ireland and Scotland, so another variant  sounds like the American pronunciation, but with the L

[Analog Kid]

But of course, English being from the English, English is English and American should learn where its place is.

Has anyone ever told you what an insufferable snob you are?
Not to mention a total chauvinist.

No, I'm guessing not.

And no, pal, the smiley face doesn't mitigate that snobbery.

[Analog Kid]

This is an old, long worn out topic.

I even started a poll.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/pronunciation-of-the-word-solder/msg2044675/#msg2044675

That's nice, but what happened to the description of the choices?

[Zero999]

But of course, English being from the English, English is English and American should learn where its place is.

Has anyone ever told you what an insufferable snob you are?
Not to mention a total chauvinist.

No, I'm guessing not.

And no, pal, the smiley face doesn't mitigate that snobbery.

Relax. The reply you're responding to is clearly tongue in cheek, hence the smily.

This is an old, long worn out topic.

I even started a poll.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/pronunciation-of-the-word-solder/msg2044675/#msg2044675

That's nice, but what happened to the description of the choices?

(Attachment Link)

It was deliberate to try and minimise bias, but if you want to know, the numbers are in the same order as descriptive filenames in the list of attachments at the bottom of the post.

Regarding the video you linked to in your original post, which I haven't watched, but it has clearly annoyed you that another American says the L; you do know there will be regional variations in pronunciation which you are not aware off. I am not aware of all the different pronunciations of words in all the possible variants of British English. It's also possible the person in the video picked up the non-American pronunciation from travelling abroad or watching foreign videos on the internet.

[GilbouFR]

This is strange.
Solder is the material to solder things together and solder is the verb for doing it.
Never heard anything about those words until now 

In French, "souder" is when you attach together two things but it's the act of attaching them.
If you use solder wire the world becomes "brasure" and doing it the verb is "brasurer"
The wire can be called "fil a souder" or "fil a brasure". You "brasure" the two parts to "souder" them together.

We have a very specific verb and noun to design the act of using soldering wire and soldering components and wires in French.

[Analog Kid]

Regarding the video you linked to in your original post, which I haven't watched, but it has clearly annoyed you that another American says the L; you do know there will be regional variations in pronunciation which you are not aware off.

No. There are no regions here where people use that pronunciation. No Appalachian backwoods where inbred Jeds say that word that way.

I am not aware of all the different pronunciations of words in all the possible variants of British English. It's also possible the person in the video picked up the non-American pronunciation from travelling abroad or watching foreign videos on the internet.

Well, if he did he's an idiot, because his pronunciation is totally out of sync with the way that everyone around him speaks, which I'm sure he's well aware of.

He's an outlier at best, but his insistence that "this is the correct way to say this word" is what rankles me.

[Analog Kid]

This is strange.
Solder is the material to solder things together and solder is the verb for doing it.
Never heard anything about those words until now 

In French, "souder" is when you attach together two things but it's the act of attaching them.
If you use solder wire the world becomes "brasure" and doing it the verb is "brasurer"
The wire can be called "fil a souder" or "fil a brasure". You "brasure" the two parts to "souder" them together.

We have a very specific verb and noun to design the act of using soldering wire and soldering components and wires in French.

Yes, but we're not talking about French here; we're discussing how the word is used in English.
(Regardless of the fact, pointed out by @Tooki above, that the English word derives from the French.)

[Gyro]

Yes, but we're not talking about French here; we're discussing how the word is used in English...

Strictly speaking, you're discussing (is that the term?) how the word is used in American

The rest of us [Edit: and apparently including the vast majority of the other US members,] are just fine.

[GilbouFR]

I guess that's another difference between the UK English and US English

 

[krish2487]

Well, if he did he's an idiot, because his pronunciation is totally out of sync with the way that everyone around him speaks, which I'm sure he's well aware of.

He's an outlier at best, but his insistence that "this is the correct way to say this word" is what rankles me.

Oh.. thats rich!!!
For all the importance you Yanks attach to freedom, the least you can do is afford another countryman, the freedom of speech... you know.. how he wants and what he wants.. 

[IanB]

This is strange.
Solder is the material to solder things together and solder is the verb for doing it.
Never heard anything about those words until now 

In French, "souder" is when you attach together two things but it's the act of attaching them.
If you use solder wire the world becomes "brasure" and doing it the verb is "brasurer"
The wire can be called "fil a souder" or "fil a brasure". You "brasure" the two parts to "souder" them together.

We have a very specific verb and noun to design the act of using soldering wire and soldering components and wires in French.

To expand on what you are describing, there are in English some specific technical details:

"To solder" is to join two pieces using solder wire as a filler metal, and this process is conducted at lower temperatures (generally the metal is not red hot).

"To braze" is to join two pieces using brazing rod as a filler metal, and this process is conducted at higher temperatures (generally red hot).

"To weld" is to join two pieces, probably using welding rod, where the metal being joined actually melts as part of the join.

Even soldering has two variations:

"Soft soldering" is conducted at very low temperatures, as in electronics.

"Hard soldering" or "silver soldering" is conducted at higher temperatures, usually with a gas torch, and is similar to brazing. It is used for mechanical joins, not electrical joints.

[tooki]

Yes, but we're not talking about French here; we're discussing how the word is used in English...

Strictly speaking, you're discussing (is that the term?) how the word is used in American

The rest of us [Edit: and apparently including the vast majority of the other US members,] are just fine.

Nnnnoooooo... "American" is not a language. "American English" is a dialect of the English language (as are British English, Canadian English, Australian English, etc.)

(Besides, isn't it almost always people from Europe and the UK who complain about Americans' "conceit" in using the demonym "American", even though the Americas comprise more than just USA? So you want "USians" to speak "American"?!?)

[tooki]

This is strange.
Solder is the material to solder things together and solder is the verb for doing it.
Never heard anything about those words until now 

In French, "souder" is when you attach together two things but it's the act of attaching them.
If you use solder wire the world becomes "brasure" and doing it the verb is "brasurer"
The wire can be called "fil a souder" or "fil a brasure". You "brasure" the two parts to "souder" them together.

We have a very specific verb and noun to design the act of using soldering wire and soldering components and wires in French.

To expand on what you are describing, there are in English some specific technical details:

"To solder" is to join two pieces using solder wire as a filler metal, and this process is conducted at lower temperatures (generally the metal is not red hot).

"To braze" is to join two pieces using brazing rod as a filler metal, and this process is conducted at higher temperatures (generally red hot).

"To weld" is to join two pieces, probably using welding rod, where the metal being joined actually melts as part of the join.

Even soldering has two variations:

"Soft soldering" is conducted at very low temperatures, as in electronics.

"Hard soldering" or "silver soldering" is conducted at higher temperatures, usually with a gas torch, and is similar to brazing. It is used for mechanical joins, not electrical joints.

I was always taught that brazing and hard soldering are the same thing?!? Just that jewelry makers and the like prefer to call it hard soldering, while plumbers and such prefer to call it brazing.

[IanB]

I was always taught that brazing and hard soldering are the same thing?!?

I guess there is a degree of fuzziness there? It depends on whether you consider silver solder to be the same a brazing rod?

People may use one term or another depending on what they are doing. Someone constructing a big mechanical device joining metal tubes together would be doing brazing. Someone doing fine metalwork would be doing silver soldering.

At the end of the day, it is just the richness of language.

[Sorama]

Oh boy.
No wonder things are going south in the US.
(Hopefully this is a correct sentence, I really don’t want to start another such discussion)

🤣🤣🤣

[Gyro]

Yes, but we're not talking about French here; we're discussing how the word is used in English...

Strictly speaking, you're discussing (is that the term?) how the word is used in American

The rest of us [Edit: and apparently including the vast majority of the other US members,] are just fine.

Nnnnoooooo... "American" is not a language. "American English" is a dialect of the English language (as are British English, Canadian English, Australian English, etc.)

(Besides, isn't it almost always people from Europe and the UK who complain about Americans' "conceit" in using the demonym "American", even though the Americas comprise more than just USA? So you want "USians" to speak "American"?!?)

Yes sorry, that was sloppy. I should have made that 'American English'... or 'typical(?) American pronunciation of English'.

[tooki]

I was always taught that brazing and hard soldering are the same thing?!?

I guess there is a degree of fuzziness there? It depends on whether you consider silver solder to be the same a brazing rod?

People may use one term or another depending on what they are doing. Someone constructing a big mechanical device joining metal tubes together would be doing brazing. Someone doing fine metalwork would be doing silver soldering.

Yes, that's how I would characterize common usage.

Aren't silver solder and silver brazing rods truly the same material?

I was taught that fundamentally, the divide between soft and hard soldering/brazing is the temperature.

[PlainName]

We have a very specific verb and noun to design the act of using soldering wire and soldering components and wires in French.

Souder avec solder 

[Analog Kid]

Oh boy.
No wonder things are going south in the US.
(Hopefully this is a correct sentence, I really don’t want to start another such discussion)

Well, yes, you used the idiom ("going south") correctly.
But it really doesn't apply in this situation (that's not the reason things are going south here, which they definitely are).

1 for 2, I guess.

[Analog Kid]

Well, if he did he's an idiot, because his pronunciation is totally out of sync with the way that everyone around him speaks, which I'm sure he's well aware of.

He's an outlier at best, but his insistence that "this is the correct way to say this word" is what rankles me.

Oh.. thats rich!!!
For all the importance you Yanks attach to freedom, the least you can do is afford another countryman, the freedom of speech... you know.. how he wants and what he wants.. 

Here's how that works, pal:
He's free to call "solder" any damn thing he pleases, with any damn pronunciation.
He's also free to insist that his way is "the correct way" to pronounce it, which it is not.
I'm free to push back against that here, and to point out how silly, effete and absurd his insistence is.
Freedom of speech all around.

See how this works?

[IanB]

Aren't silver solder and silver brazing rods truly the same material?

I was taught that fundamentally, the divide between soft and hard soldering/brazing is the temperature.

I also understand the difference between soldering and brazing as a process is about the temperature.

However, I think the composition of the filler material depends on the application:

Typical brazing rod is yellow/gold in color and is composed mostly of copper and phosphorus. Typical uses would be for mechanical joints in metal structures.

Typical silver solder is silver in color and is composed mainly of silver, copper and zinc. Typical uses would be for jewelry, HVAC and plumbing.

[Doctorandus_P]

Isn't there some sort of tank to put all your skeptics in?

Squabbling together somewhere deep underground where nobody hears nor smells it.

[Analog Kid]

Isn't there some sort of tank to put all your skeptics in?

Squabbling together somewhere deep underground where nobody hears nor smells it.

I should apologize; I really must.
I'm sorry we put a (metaphorical) gun to your head and made you read this thread.
Truly sorry.
You poor thing.

Not only that, we made you reply to it!