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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #500 on: February 25, 2020, 06:34:09 am »
I have thought about the original incident over the past day and must admit, I am at least at part in fault and for that I apologize. The question if asked to most of the other posters would have been benign and I was hoping to get some insight, but given Blueskull's strong nationalist feelings I could have at least predicted the likely response.

That incident is now in the past, but I would like to bring attention to Blueskull's threat to report me and others to the CCP if they make comments putting China in a bad light. I, and others in the west, might find the concept a bit laughable, but he obviously finds it serious. If you do not know what happens to those in China who speak out against the CCP, look it up. He is threatening what he sees as real harm to me and others if we step foot in China.

I get that he has a much older account than me and has contributed more, but is there really some threshold at which you allow someone to make threats to others in the community?
 

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« Reply #501 on: February 25, 2020, 07:05:51 am »
I get that he has a much older account than me and has contributed more, but is there really some threshold at which you allow someone to make threats to others in the community?

Never had it happen before.
Technically, he said he wouldn't publicly dox or post on this forum, and there is no personal threat from him, so  :-//
Personally I think it's a really dick move, and in my book puts him ever closer to getting banned permanently.

And yes, you are right, in the west this (relatively common) benign threat of "I'm calling the cops" just gets laughed away.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #502 on: March 01, 2020, 08:53:21 pm »

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.

And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
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« Reply #503 on: March 01, 2020, 10:33:08 pm »

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.

And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
The difficulty is, who is the troll. There can be 10 trolls against 1 who is fighting for the right thing. It's called group dynamics, or bullying. It's always easier for an admin to take the one out of the game. This does not serve the truth, which was the fundamental part of the discourse. Even you don't know whether the one against the ten others doesn't rather speak the truth against a quantitative superiority.
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« Reply #504 on: March 01, 2020, 11:26:10 pm »

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.

And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
The difficulty is, who is the troll. There can be 10 trolls against 1 who is fighting for the right thing. It's called group dynamics, or bullying. It's always easier for an admin to take the one out of the game. This does not serve the truth, which was the fundamental part of the discourse. Even you don't know whether the one against the ten others doesn't rather speak the truth against a quantitative superiority.
I am referring to a person's ability to own its own actions, not an endless pursue of "the truth". After all, the justification I quoted read to me that a ban may be unfair if someone is provoked and feels that has no alternative other than respond and argue. My point is there is. Walk away and do not engage, regardless of how hurt your pride is (or your country's or your whatever). If you have facts, present them and disengage. Yeah, it is easier said than done. Bullies and trolls exhibit narcisistic and psychopath traits that cannot be dealt in writing and by random people on the internet. Leave the discussion and deflate the power they are trying to exert over you.

Also, I'd wager that a significant part of derailed threads there's no way to know "the truth" - it is surely true for the example I mentioned (US metric) or the political/sociological debates. This makes moderation quite difficult.
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« Reply #505 on: March 02, 2020, 12:19:39 am »
I think we are actually talking about different experiences. It's up to you, what to do with your own. It will not be possible to derive a globally valid rule from yours, not more than one proposal of goodness.
 
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #506 on: March 02, 2020, 01:17:13 am »

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.
Understood and agree in principle, however how moderators deal with this is not always consistent and there's other discussions happening about this currently happening. That we can discuss this is great but it does feel like airing our dirty laundry in public as Dave has made it quite clear he doesn't want to engage in discussions about this privately.


We can't see what's happening behind the moderation scenes however banned members I've had the opportunity to contact outside EEVblog have disclosed moderation experiences that are below the standard I have experienced and if 100% true, substandard and not in the forums best interests hence the comments I make about there being 2 sides to the story.

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And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
Yes when in a thread and there's little to be achieved by continued participation it's the best solution for ones sanity  however when injustice is seemingly done it's becoming increasingly difficult not to mention it.

We can only hope some points discussed here get taken onboard.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #507 on: March 02, 2020, 03:05:02 am »
Also, I'd wager that a significant part of derailed threads there's no way to know "the truth" - it is surely true for the example I mentioned (US metric) or the political/sociological debates. This makes moderation quite difficult.

And in most cases it's a waste of time even trying. This forum has always tried to be a "lead by example" type self moderation. If you think a thread has gone off topic, then don't complain about it, don't mention it, don't report it, just post something back on topic. Very often all it takes is one on-topic post again and people get back on track talking about that thing again.
 
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« Reply #508 on: March 02, 2020, 03:14:45 am »
Understood and agree in principle, however how moderators deal with this is not always consistent and there's other discussions happening about this currently happening. That we can discuss this is great but it does feel like airing our dirty laundry in public as Dave has made it quite clear he doesn't want to engage in discussions about this privately.

And the reason for that is very obvious. This forum has 10's of thousands of members, all with very different ideas on how moderation should happen. Yet some people think I should engage them privately on this, because they have the answers, where the thousands of others do not  ::)
Same reason I don't answer personal technical email inquiries any more, it would suck my life away.
The forum has been operating pretty well for a decade now regardless of what some people think. Life isn't always fair or consistent.

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We can only hope some points discussed here get taken onboard.

You speak for absolutely no one else but yourself.
 
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #509 on: March 04, 2020, 12:31:53 am »
It's very simple.  Just don't reply them.

As for quality? Well remember if you are not buying from the brand or from a licensed supplier, then you are likely buying parts that are rejects which might work if you don't operate at the margins.
 Low cost parts are probably operational but not in spec. So only buy if you know the operating mode is in the middle.
 You can not blame them. Technically you are supporting illegal parts.  LOL.
 They are gettting you cheap parts that you can use but must assume operating range will be in the middle at best.

If you are lucky, they might be stolen Prime parts.

 If you want spec parts you have to buy from licensed suppliers.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #510 on: March 04, 2020, 12:25:02 pm »
I'm not sure if the Mods/Admins are aware but there seems to be a (technical, not content-related) problem with one of the threads in the Test Equipment forum:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5104x-disappointing/

The page ends at reply #17, later all subsequent replies are not visible as isn't the bottom part with the ad that's visible on other thread's pages.

First I thought it's just a problem with my browser but then I noted that Tom66 noted that this seems to be a forum bug.

Other threads I looked at seemed to be fine but this weren't many so there may well be other threads affected by this.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #511 on: March 04, 2020, 12:59:30 pm »
Have seen this a couple of times before on SMF.  We had one here a while back and I notified Dave, who tried to chase it down, but it was elusive.

It only affects that particular page.  Go to the next page and it's ok.
 

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« Reply #512 on: March 04, 2020, 01:01:51 pm »
Seems to have to do with damaged images.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #513 on: March 04, 2020, 08:25:24 pm »
I'm not sure if the Mods/Admins are aware but there seems to be a (technical, not content-related) problem with one of the threads in the Test Equipment forum:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5104x-disappointing/

The page ends at reply #17, later all subsequent replies are not visible as isn't the bottom part with the ad that's visible on other thread's pages.

First I thought it's just a problem with my browser but then I noted that Tom66 noted that this seems to be a forum bug.

Other threads I looked at seemed to be fine but this weren't many so there may well be other threads affected by this.
Yeah I broke it with a damaged PNG file.  :palm:
Already notified the mods and given them the file name and I can see it in my uploaded attachments but there's no way to delete it I can see.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #514 on: March 05, 2020, 05:20:37 am »
Back on topic, how many people have had a "run in" with nix85?

He epitomises the type of poster who pops up, asking a question, only to tell those answering that they are wrong, & don't know what they are talking about.

In the  meantime, everybody has wasted time they will never get back, just because they tried to be helpful.

I don't mind being contradicted by someone who knows as much, or more, than me, but when the person presenting as lacking knowledge does so, I wonder why he doesn't just go to some other site where misinformed folk can swap incorrect information & slap each other on the back.
 

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« Reply #515 on: March 07, 2020, 09:39:47 am »
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I can see now that Simon's "Click Me" was a work in progress.
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« Reply #516 on: March 07, 2020, 03:04:25 pm »
This simon guy is shilling his own website in every post and clearly finding every reason to post while doing it...  This is a bad look...
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« Reply #517 on: March 07, 2020, 03:11:08 pm »
....said the guy whose 2 puppet accounts were banned.
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« Reply #518 on: March 07, 2020, 03:14:12 pm »
I don't know what a puppet account is...  I made the shiller mad and he banned one account, I had 2 more bird accounts that were clearly mine, I wasn't trying to hide, is that a puppet account?  This is a moderation thread anyway, please...
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« Reply #519 on: March 07, 2020, 05:06:36 pm »
There is no reason for having multiple accounts on a forum unless it's for trolling... which we see proven here.
 

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« Reply #520 on: March 07, 2020, 06:15:43 pm »
There is no reason for having multiple accounts on a forum unless it's for trolling... which we see proven here.

Well, there is. Had the forum rules of "one account only" not prohibited it, I would have created, just for a gag, a second account 'bd140' just to (openly) joke at bd139 by saying things that were complementary (but not necessarily complimentary) to what he was saying.  >:D
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« Reply #521 on: March 07, 2020, 06:22:43 pm »
Then how do you post when a shilling mod is banning every account you make as soon as he suspects it is you?  I've created hundreds of accounts on this site over the years.  I rarely use any account for more than a few months, this is how you keep entities from selling your information.  You use a burner email address, make an account (or group of accounts themed, like birds! Or spaceships! Etc  ;D) and use them for a while and then dump them. 

Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite and all that means is I will make another account next time I want to post  :-DD

You seem to have been creating these accounts, not to evade commercial surveillance, but because you're a trouble maker who is deliberately trying to evade the mechanisms, both technical (of the forum) and social ("Oh, it's what 'is name. He's a worthless, shit stiring tit so we'll all ignore him"), that moderate discourse here. I mean, if you haven't the courage of your convictions to have what you say associated with your name (be it pseudonymous) then it's open to others to conclude that you really haven't anything to say worth listening to.
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« Reply #522 on: March 07, 2020, 06:41:12 pm »
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Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite

I would suggest that using insulting descriptors isn't being polite. Even if true (and I have no idea either way) it is being deliberately provocative to describe him thus.
 

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« Reply #523 on: March 07, 2020, 06:46:42 pm »
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Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite

I would suggest that using insulting descriptors isn't being polite. Even if true (and I have no idea either way) it is being deliberately provocative to describe him thus.

Well, describing Simon as a 'shilling mod' is also unfair, he's worth at least 10/6d.  :)
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« Reply #524 on: March 07, 2020, 07:01:44 pm »
Cheap at twice the price.

Or something.
 


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