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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4475 on: January 06, 2025, 10:34:47 pm »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.
 
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« Reply #4476 on: January 06, 2025, 10:35:59 pm »
No problemo.
Just one question, though: Shouldn't your handle be "Mr. Nobodies"? Looks like you misspled it when you signed up.
It was just a random word I thought off at the time in looking for words that I think nobody has ever used before by seeing if they don't show up on the search engines.
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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4477 on: January 06, 2025, 10:39:27 pm »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.

That's related to my preference (for almost all applications) for serif fonts (not sans-serif).
 
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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4478 on: January 06, 2025, 10:47:50 pm »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.

Same goes for lack of distinction between O ("oh") and 0 (zero).
 
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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4479 on: January 06, 2025, 11:15:55 pm »
Same goes for lack of distinction between O ("oh") and 0 (zero).
Such fonts must be legally banned, at least for use in digital interfaces, forever and ever.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4480 on: January 06, 2025, 11:20:26 pm »
When I first learned Fortran back in the mid-1960s, we always drew a slash through the zero to distinguish it from majuscule O on our Hollerith cards.
I rarely see that anymore.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4481 on: January 06, 2025, 11:27:16 pm »
When I first learned Fortran back in the mid-1960s, we always drew a slash through the zero to distinguish it from majuscule O on our Hollerith cards.
I rarely see that anymore.

That's good, but how would that work out for those Scandinavians whose alphabets include a slashed "Oh" (Ø) (forget exactly which languages)?
 

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« Reply #4482 on: January 06, 2025, 11:54:17 pm »
Hollerith cards did support some of those diacritics or additional alphabetic characters for those languages. but 0 (with the slash) was encoded specifically along with the other decimal digits as a number.
Wikipedia's article on Hollerith cards includes the codes for various standard Hollerith formats, but I found the writing confusing.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4483 on: January 07, 2025, 12:06:57 am »
Wikipedia's article on Hollerith cards includes the codes for various standard Hollerith formats, but I found the writing confusing.

That's the main reason I avoid Wikipedia* altogether.
Even if the article is accurate, it's usually poorly written.

* The "encyclopedia" any snot-nosed junior-high-school student can edit.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4484 on: January 07, 2025, 12:31:12 am »
OK, here's another one:
Do we really have to put the letter "R" after resistance values that are less than 100 ohms?
What's wrong with just "47"? or "33"? How in the world could those possibly be misunderstood?
The measurement unit, unless modified by a "K" or "M" (or "m") is simply ohms.
This seems totally needless to me.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4485 on: January 07, 2025, 12:34:46 am »
clarity,how do we know if you mean 47 ohms or forgot the K
 

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« Reply #4486 on: January 07, 2025, 12:39:51 am »
clarity,how do we know if you mean 47 ohms or forgot the K
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"I do," Alice hastily replied; "at least--at least I mean what I say--that's the same thing, you know."
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4487 on: January 07, 2025, 01:16:14 am »
When I first learned Fortran back in the mid-1960s, we always drew a slash through the zero to distinguish it from majuscule O on our Hollerith cards.
I rarely see that anymore.

Back when I was in college one of my computer science profs was really a member of the math department and grudgingly handled a class on logic (I forget the precise class).  As far as he was concerned, "computer science" was a bogus discipline. He'd mark answers incorrect if there was a slash through what should be a zero digit because that character meant "null" as in "null set" - it wasn't a zero as far as he was concerned.

He also graded strictly on a curve - top one or two scores got an A, bottom one or two scores got an F, everything else in between according to something close to a normal curve.  I remember now that there was one quiz where most everyone's score was bunched together in the nineties.  He wasn't too pleased and promised that the next quiz would be much harder.

Which reminds me of an English teacher I had who claimed to grade on a "curve".  As he described it, he marked the stairs in his house with "A" through "F" (skipping "E" as that wasn't used for grades in the US back then - no idea what they use now).  He would go to the top of the stairs and throw the papers in the air.  The step your paper landed on was your grade.
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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4488 on: January 07, 2025, 01:21:18 am »
OK, here's another one:
Do we really have to put the letter "R" after resistance values that are less than 100 ohms?
What's wrong with just "47"? or "33"? How in the world could those possibly be misunderstood?
The measurement unit, unless modified by a "K" or "M" (or "m") is simply ohms.
This seems totally needless to me.
Leaving off the R would be as peeve inducing as the United States not having a .us after their website URLs.
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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4489 on: January 07, 2025, 01:22:37 am »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.

Same goes for lack of distinction between O ("oh") and 0 (zero).
Having O and 0 right next to each other on the keyboard doesn't help.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4490 on: January 07, 2025, 01:41:02 am »
Wikipedia's article on Hollerith cards includes the codes for various standard Hollerith formats, but I found the writing confusing.

That's the main reason I avoid Wikipedia* altogether.
Even if the article is accurate, it's usually poorly written.

* The "encyclopedia" any snot-nosed junior-high-school student can edit.
Have you ever tried editing Wikipedia? Wikinazi is a 'thing'
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4491 on: January 07, 2025, 01:57:59 am »
Wikipedia's article on Hollerith cards includes the codes for various standard Hollerith formats, but I found the writing confusing.

That's the main reason I avoid Wikipedia* altogether.
Even if the article is accurate, it's usually poorly written.

* The "encyclopedia" any snot-nosed junior-high-school student can edit.
Have you ever tried editing Wikipedia? Wikinazi is a 'thing'

Yes I have. It was years ago that I quit, and I regret all those dozens of hours of my life that I can never get back.

Not sure exactly what is meant by "wikinazi", as the term can apparently mean a lot of different things.

I hate Wikipedia; does that make me a Wikinazi?
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4492 on: January 07, 2025, 04:38:25 am »
Wikipedia is kind of like a democratic republic.  It sucks, but is better than the alternatives.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4493 on: January 07, 2025, 09:41:33 am »
Wikipedia is to be treated as a collection of references categorized by articles. That's what it is for and what it is decent at. Anything in it without a linked reference is junk until proven otherwise.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4494 on: January 07, 2025, 09:50:13 am »
Wikipedia is to be treated as a collection of references categorized by articles. That's what it is for and what it is decent at. Anything in it without a linked reference is junk until proven otherwise.

Yeah, yeah, "no original research". I know all about that.

It's still a piece of shit overall.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4495 on: January 07, 2025, 09:52:56 am »
Yeah, yeah, "no original research".
that thing is kinda weird though. I think it's not exactly that, but they don't allow self-referencing, like, no primary sources. original research is fine, but it must be referenced by someone else to be cited. that's kinda the way it generally works in the academic world.
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4496 on: January 07, 2025, 08:42:59 pm »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.

Same goes for lack of distinction between O ("oh") and 0 (zero).
I see this all the time for confirmation "numbers" when doing online commerce.  Would not be that hard for programmers to eliminate both  O ("oh") and 0 (zero) in their confirmation number generators.   They probably use a curse word dictionary to make sure no offensive words appear in generated confirmation numbers  ... but maybe not.    I still hope for GPL987DAMN1YOU7 to appear as a confirmation number.

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4497 on: January 07, 2025, 09:14:20 pm »
I was recently caught out with 2FA being case sensitive. Just about everyone that does it will accept any case (easier to type), but this one place required exact case, and it was all upper case too so there was no point to it (other than to piss off users that don't habitually leave capslock on).
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4498 on: January 07, 2025, 10:08:28 pm »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.

Same goes for lack of distinction between O ("oh") and 0 (zero).
I see this all the time for confirmation "numbers" when doing online commerce.  Would not be that hard for programmers to eliminate both  O ("oh") and 0 (zero) in their confirmation number generators.

But aren't those "numbers" generally just copied and pasted from one place to another, so no need to figure out what chars are what?
(I guess not if, say, the confirmation # comes in a text message and you have to then type it into a browser field, in which case your peeve is 100% justified.)
 

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Re: Your pet peeve, technical or otherwise.
« Reply #4499 on: January 07, 2025, 10:15:49 pm »
I'm really bothered by fonts that have capital I and L look the same, and sometimes they look like ones.
And sometimes it's getting really ridiculous




 


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