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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2025, 07:22:47 am »
Oh dear, Chet, that post of yours #41 is one of the most utterly confused examples of text I have ever read. I suspect you have been reading the works of the late T E Bearden(CAUTION-MENTAL HEALTH ADVISORY!). You don't seem to understand that our current understanding is the result of countless hours in the lab by countless very smart individuals. The possibility of free energy is ruled out categorically by the most solid laws of science that have remained unchallenged for ~150years. I live in Ireland and we have one of the highest electricity tariffs in the EU and quite simply I am being crucified by my power bills. If I thought there was the faintest hope of free energy I would devote all my time to it's pursuit but it is not going to happen. You are quite simply wasting your time and energy on a futile pipe dream. I am deeply aware of your concern for your fellow man and I don't like being so critical but the truth needs to be stated.
 
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2025, 11:42:51 pm »
Oh dear, Chet, that post of yours #41 is one of the most utterly confused examples of text I have ever read. I suspect you have been reading the works of the late T E Bearden(CAUTION-MENTAL HEALTH ADVISORY!). You don't seem to understand that our current understanding is the result of countless hours in the lab by countless very smart individuals. The possibility of free energy is ruled out categorically by the most solid laws of science that have remained unchallenged for ~150years. I live in Ireland and we have one of the highest electricity tariffs in the EU and quite simply I am being crucified by my power bills. If I thought there was the faintest hope of free energy I would devote all my time to it's pursuit but it is not going to happen. You are quite simply wasting your time and energy on a futile pipe dream. I am deeply aware of your concern for your fellow man and I don't like being so critical but the truth needs to be stated.

What do you think of post number 44?

I'm not a big fan of Tom bearden so I stay away from him and I don't read about him and I don't want to understand him because that's not how I learn. I learned by gaining experience by doing trial and error experiments on simulators in order to let the simulators teach me how they think about electrical energy. Like a method actor trying to get into a role by becoming that role, I try to get into the headspace of that simulator to understand its point of view about energy in general much less about the synthesis of electricity in particular.

And only by gaining sufficient experience such that I begin to see patterns of behavior, only then do I go to the internet to ask people and to look for what people have already said about those behavioral characteristics that the simulators have been showing me.

We are all Lucky that computers no longer require the use of 32-bit registers and the false positives of over unity that any simulator would readily produce when based on that limitation. With the Advent of 64-bit registers, it's nearly impossible to get false positives of over unity. Thank god! I like a good challenge because I learn more from a challenge than I do from when it's easy. Easy was nice in the beginning, but now I just want challenges or else I'll get bored!
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2025, 06:53:23 am »
I'm not a big fan of Tom bearden so I stay away from him and I don't read about him and I don't want to understand him because that's not how I learn. I learned by gaining experience by doing trial and error experiments on simulators in order to let the simulators teach me how they think about electrical energy.
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And only by gaining sufficient experience such that I begin to see patterns of behavior, only then do I go to the internet to ask people and to look for what people have already said about those behavioral characteristics that the simulators have been showing me

That's completely backwards, but is consistent with your other statements.

It is blind fumbling in the dark. It is the way alchemists had to work - because there was no theoretical framework for chemistry.

Start by understanding that "all models are wrong, but some are useful", and all models have limits outside which they are not valid. Simulations are just number crunched models; GIGO applies.

With every simulation, it is necessary to do a sanity check to ensure the simulation output is not wildly wrong. If you don't understand a theoretical/mental model, that required sanity check process is impossible.
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2025, 09:06:04 am »
Hi Chet, here we go, again! What do I think of #44?, not a lot but let me explain: I'm an old fogey in my seventies and I have never used a simulator as they were not commonly available in my day and I did everything on a scientific calculator. One thing was very evident over many decades: no matter how carefully I designed a circuit the output was invariably less than calculated, even if it was only 1% less, because I had neglected some minor loss factor. It was NEVER more than expected. If you seriously wanted to advance your knowledge you need to learn the basics first, volts and amps, power factor for AC circuits, energy sources and sinks, dissipation and loss, resistance and reactance, power and energy. Leave out the thermodynamics unless you have a lot of free time for intensive study as it is not needed in circuit analysis and can be quite a difficult study(it was for me, others may have different experiences). As regards simulators I pointed out to another poster that these operate on the known laws of physics and can never show a gain if loaded correctly with the necessary parameters. The quest for free energy will have you spinning your wheels and going nowhere- it is just possible but very unlikely that some new source of energy may be discovered but it certainly will not come from someone messing about with coils, capacitors and mosfets.
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« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2025, 01:23:08 pm »
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why does this whole thread feels like a conversation between two LLMs?
 
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2025, 02:54:53 pm »
why does this whole thread feels like a conversation between two LLMs?
Honestly, Eliza inside Emacs could do better than this more than 35 years ago :
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2025, 03:10:37 pm »
Me an LLM, that has got to be the most grievous insult I have ever received.  No worries.
 

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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2025, 03:12:48 pm »
why does this whole thread feels like a conversation between two LLMs?
Honestly, Eliza inside Emacs could do better than this more than 35 years ago :
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I'm always adequate today until I supersede myself tomorrow. I cannot strive against the tide. So, in that sense, I will depart when I am spent and wait until I regain my innocence to return and fortify my word salad by expanding my viewpoint.

Difficult to argue with that :(

You could always check with the 60 year old original, since Weizenbaum's code has been rediscovered, and runs in an emulated IBM 7094 running MIT’s CTSS  https://sites.google.com/view/elizagen-org/blog/eliza-reanimated
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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2025, 04:05:55 pm »
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« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2025, 04:13:39 pm »
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2025, 05:13:52 pm »
I have no intention of listening to that, text I would read. It is designated "LCR" so I assume it is about LCR analysis. LCR behaviour is thoroughly understood with zero gaps in our current understanding. To produce usable energy there must be a source, it cannot be conjured out of nothing with coils caps and semiconductors. 
 
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2025, 06:45:07 pm »
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A formal education tells us what is profitable. It does not teach us what is possible!

We need to modify our conceptualization of an LRC circuit if we wish to transcend the limitations of conventional wisdom and experience the unbounded potential that is awaiting us.

There is a secret that I may not have emphasized adequately, or I may even have left out of some prior posts, on the topic of the relationship between the refractive index of prisms and the dielectric constant of capacitors and how they can cross each other's boundary into the other's realm, because they are mathematically related to each other.

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This secret of making a capacitor into a prism, by reducing its capacitance to a low enough value, only works if you have this situation in two or more capacitors with an inductance, nearby. It does not work if you only do it to one capacitor. This is probably why nobody ever thinks of doing this, because they're programmed to think only in terms of a single capacitance and a single resistance and a single inductance when considering the theoretical foundation of an LRC concept.

But this is only good in teaching the theory of an LRC relationship. It is not practical, nor does it demonstrate, the principle of converting a capacitor into a prism in order to convert a circuit into a generator of power so as not to be caught up (strictly) within the realm of the consumption of power. Because, once we add a coil to a pair of low-level capacitors, now we don't have consumption anymore. Instead, we have the generation of power.

We have accomplished this generation of power within the circuit, not by creating energy, but by utilizing the energy that we get from our environment, which is at a very low level – just like the low level of capacitance of our pair of capacitors, and converting that consumption of power from our environment (at environmental levels of input) into the generation of power which now becomes a whole different ball game. Because the consumption of power uses up the power. This is according to entropy. The power diminishes when we consume it.

But what happens when we generate power – using the methods described above in overly simplistic terms – is that the power that we generate by these methods does not diminish, because we are not consuming it. Instead, it accumulates and it accumulates at a fantastic rate of exponential growth because of the bi-directional relationship between resistance creating an increase of voltage and an increase of voltage increasing resistance repeating itself in an ever-escalating cycle.

This is what people say when they want to say: “a perpetual motion machine is a situation in which you have to be able to take some of the output and feed it back into the input so that the machine can go on running, perpetually.”

But voltage is a potential. It is not a movement, nor does it involve change. And this is the only thing we can feed back into our circuit from the output is more voltage. But with that, we are also feeding back into the input an alteration of how the circuit perceives its various resistances and impedances by making their practical outcome greater than they were before because the voltage is greater than before.

This is because the circuit perceives its various impedances and resistances in a whole new light – based on this increased voltage left over from the previous cycle of oscillation that is greater now than it was before – causing the various impedances and resistances of the circuit to respond with an even greater consequential rise of voltage.

And this increase of voltage is not an incremental amount the same as within the prior cycle of oscillation, but is a proportional amount making it incrementally greater than the increase of the prior cycle. This is what makes the growth of voltage exponential. Any growth of current is a minor side effect and can almost be assumed to be a leakage of current rather than any kind of concerted effort to increase the current.

But this minor increase of leakage current, trailing behind the gargantuan increase of voltage, is not a problem – because we can adjust it by bringing down the voltage and raising up the current (in another subsection of the circuit) so that now we have a practical balance between the two.

I'm just giving you the overview without giving you any technical details so that you can appreciate where my experience has left me in a unique outlook in as much as I can analyze my successes instead of merely claiming that they happened.

We need to do this to improve our theory. Because if we don't improve our theory, we will not improve our awareness – as consumers – to expect a better life within this area.

We don't have to become electrical engineers to want more satisfaction. But we have to appreciate what electrical engineers are not taught. Because they are merely taught how to stabilize society. They are not taught how to progress it. Because most profits are made out of a stable society which doesn't change a whole lot – at least not in a fundamental sense. This is the travesty of commerce that it gives us wealth and comfort and ease but it also stands in the way of progress. This turns me into an outlaw, an usurper, a rebel rouser – not someone of reputable standards whom anyone else would want to associate with.

But how else are we to make any progress!?
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2025, 06:54:49 pm »
I have no intention of listening to that, text I would read. It is designated "LCR" so I assume it is about LCR analysis. LCR behaviour is thoroughly understood with zero gaps in our current understanding. To produce usable energy there must be a source, it cannot be conjured out of nothing with coils caps and semiconductors.

LRCC in which each capacitor is of low value below that which is commercially available.
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2025, 07:40:49 pm »
OK, So...
What the TS proposes is an electrical party tick to fool simple Wattmeters, there is no creation of new energy, or harvesting of waste... I'm surprised that Nikola Teslas papers on amplification of power based on inductive resonance hasn't been cited.

Anyway what is being proposed isn't of any value to the general population as it's basically theft.

What makes me suspicious it the motivation of the TS to even bother to promote this... just why? Is there some cult religious angle as with so many of these nut case schemes ... or is there perhaps plans to work a sting of some type? Is it just the usual free energy trolling ?...

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why does this whole thread feels like a conversation between two LLMs?



No. I was initially convinced that this was a manifestation of Dissociative Identity Disorder and that the "discussion" was purely a sufferer with two accounts arguing with themselves.

And I don't mean that to insult anyone... it just all seems very queer. Never seen anything so odd since the exit of Treez / Faringdon, (was that his membership handle? I'm not sure, it was a station name on the central line anyhow).

I digress.

Then we get comments  like:

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...in which each capacitor is of low value below that which is commercially available.

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...There is a secret that I may not have emphasized adequately, or I may even have left out of some prior posts, on the topic of the relationship between the refractive index of prisms and the dielectric constant of capacitors...

And on and on and on... just word salad without any factual dressing.

I'm not sure if or what cult or manipulative guru is troting out this verbal diarrhea but for your own sake, in the conjunction this is not a self created delusion, don't drink any Cool Aid they give you.

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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2025, 08:06:36 pm »
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A formal education tells us what is profitable. It does not teach us what is possible!
First of all, way to totally ignore the objection to your posting an audio file that nobody wants to listen to.
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We need to modify our conceptualization of an LRC circuit if we wish to transcend the limitations of conventional wisdom and experience the unbounded potential that is awaiting us.

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's absolutely no credible scientific or technical basis to your Quixotic queries. Only your belief that, somehow, those guys must have actually succeeded in generating Free Energy, if only you could solve their recondite L-C-R equations.

And @paul cotter, you're much too kind in your replies to this bozo. He's a fucking idiot.
 
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« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2025, 08:09:21 pm »
I don't understand how "theft" could be possible?
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« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2025, 08:17:19 pm »
"way to totally ignore the objection to your posting an audio file that nobody wants to listen to."

How can reposting a textual version of an audio posting be considered ignoring your objections when I fixed it by reposting the textual version without further commentary since my action should have been enough to fix the dilemma?
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2025, 08:29:18 pm »
Chet that is more nonsense, unfortunately. An LCR network is inherently lossy due to the resistance component and will always dissipate power. A low value of capacitance, how low due to want? You can easily make a cap of a couple of picofarads by twisting two pieces of narrow wire for a couple of turns and I have often done this for a light coupling at rf. You are correct that refractive index and dielectric constant are related but no capacitor is ever going to be a prism, it doesn't even make sense. There is a tiny amount of energy in the environment but unless you live near a transmission site you would be very lucky to barely light a sensitive led. A proper education in electrical engineering is not designed to maintain the status quo- it is designed to give you the basics so that subsequently you are only limited by your own imagination. To suggest that the system of education deliberately avoids areas of research that might challenge vested interests is conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence. The current electrical theories work extremely well and need no improvement. The reason no research is done on free energy is because it is known to be a futile cul-de-sac.  Chet ask Verpies or F6 about this and see what they say. PS: just noticed your query "theft". If you fool a utility meter into believing your power bill is less than it really is then that is theft.
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2025, 08:51:24 pm »
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A formal education tells us what is profitable. It does not teach us what is possible!

False and false.

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This secret of making a capacitor into a prism
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the principle of converting a capacitor into a prism in order to convert a circuit into a generator of power so as not to be caught up (strictly) within the realm of the consumption of power. Because, once we add a coil to a pair of low-level capacitors, now we don't have consumption anymore. Instead, we have the generation of power.
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Oh. Good. Grief.

Thank you for clarifying matters. Not in the way you intend, of course.

BTW, Xena E, faringon/treez/ocset had some (ahem) "special interests", but his monomania could be traced to a.form of reality.
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2025, 09:02:16 pm »
Analog Kid, I normally would not do this. I have strong reason to believe that Chet is a thoroughly decent guy and I am trying to educate him although I suspect this is a futile pursuit as a proper understanding of energy would dispel his dream. Normally I would call "BULLSHIT" and leave it at that.
 
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« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2025, 09:19:39 pm »
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BTW, Xena E, faringon/treez/ocset had some (ahem) "special interests", but his monomania could be traced to a.form of reality.

Curiously, he has just had his username on edaboard changed from 'cupoftea' to '24vtingle'. The same old never-learning unsafe crap though. We're not missing anything apart from the thanks ( hmm :-\)
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Re: Can reactive power be recycled fast enough to power resistive loads?
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2025, 09:22:20 pm »
There is a tiny amount of energy in the environment but unless you live near a transmission site you would be very lucky to barely light a sensitive led.

Or a fluorescent tube--that's a well-known phenomenon[1]:



[1] One that in no way validates the OP's beliefs or assertions.
 
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« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2025, 07:04:51 pm »
Chet that is more nonsense, unfortunately. An LCR network is inherently lossy due to the resistance component and will always dissipate power.

As a friend (who was a staid businessman in charge of all of the rebar and concrete sold to contractors who built a four-leaf, clover leaf interchange on one of the freeways in downtown Los Angeles) once quipped, "money is only a problem to those who don't have it" in response to a question from a meditator as to whether or not wealth was a barrier to yoga practice.

Likewise, the dissipation of power, due to entropic losses and conversions, is only a problem if this rate of dissipation exceeds its replenishment.

But you've heard me say that already. So, I'm not saying anything new....yet.

A low value of capacitance, how low due to want? You can easily make a cap of a couple of picofarads by twisting two pieces of narrow wire for a couple of turns and I have often done this for a light coupling at rf. You are correct that refractive index and dielectric constant are related but no capacitor is ever going to be a prism, it doesn't even make sense.

It'll never make sense in an LRC network. It'll make sense in an LRCC network. It takes two capacitors to actualize this phenomenon by the alteration of the dielectric field of each low-level capacitor by its partnered cap. This, then, becomes a parametric oscillation (see, below).

There is a tiny amount of energy in the environment but unless you live near a transmission site you would be very lucky to barely light a sensitive led.

Only by using low levels of input power will the non-suppression of these effects occur. It doesn't have to come from the environment. But that's one example.

I found by experimentation/simulation that anything greater than 3V of a constant input was probably going to risk suppression of these overly reactive behaviors. And anything less than 1e-15V will also probably jeopardize a gainful outcome.

And even whenever I use 3V, I throw away most of it to ground/s using either voltage division or current division to diminish the input watts, because all I want out of the input is a frequency devoid of amplitude for the most part.

A proper education in electrical engineering is not designed to maintain the status quo- it is designed to give you the basics so that subsequently you are only limited by your own imagination. To suggest that the system of education deliberately avoids areas of research that might challenge vested interests is conspiracy theory without **a shred of evidence**.

Good that I only need to provide a single shred! That saves me a lot of time looking all of them up!
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The current electrical theories work extremely well and need no improvement.

They need no improvement because if they got any better, then these theories would be too good for sustaining a robust economy.

That's not to say that our quality of life would go downhill if the economy were not robust since economy and quality of life are not necessarily codependent factors.

The reason no research is done on free energy is because it is known to be a futile cul-de-sac.  Chet ask Verpies or F6 about this and see what they say. PS: just noticed your query "theft". If you fool a utility meter into believing your power bill is less than it really is then that is theft.

None of my simulations do well whenever they are hooked up to the grid. So, I've almost exclusively focused my attention on providing power either from a sinusoidal voltage source which bleeds an excess of its power to ground, or else a capacitor which is precharged with 1e-6V more or less give or take several orders of magnitude in either direction.

I've watched the damping of the oscillation which results from the dissipation of precharged capacitances die out to values which are not measurable anymore followed several simulator-seconds later by an escalating oscillation which I can only view as being "parasitic" since the precharged energy has already disappeared from view.

Thus, ends my responses.

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Ignorance vs Motivation

The trans-Atlantic telegraph transmission problem of the 1800s seemed like a daunting task. They couldn’t figure out, at first, why the messages were not getting through. It took the insights of Oliver Heaviside to figure it out.

The point is, that they didn’t give up. What with all of their failures, they wanted to be successful badly enough to keep at it even if a Mr. Whitehouse got fired for frying one of the cables of his company by assuming that all that’s needed is to give it more voltage.

You’re not taught about LRCC circuits because you’re taught to believe that anything more complicated than LRC can be converted into its equivalent version of an LRC.

But there is no equivalency for ignorance. To ignore the factor of variable parameters due to the significance of a variable dielectric field surrounding capacitors is equivalent to the trans-Atlantic telegraph transmission problem in which the engineers were ignoring something no one had ever taught them before: the magnetic leakage which was occurring all along the entire length of each and every transmission cable.

Why? Because their technological know-how was to assume that copper is good enough for the transmission of potential.

Yet, it wasn’t adequate for preventing magnetic leakage and the phase distortions which resulted between potential and current. For that, iron was needed along the entire length of the transmission line.

And it took Oliver Heaviside to suggest the additional use of iron for having seen it suggested in his mathematical simulations of (what has become known as) his Telegrapher’s Equations.

Parametric variations of the dielectric field surrounding each capacitor is more likely to occur with “unstable” parameters than it is likely to occur within the context of stable parameters. And a stable parameter is more likely to occur within an enlarged parameter than within a parameter so small that manufacturers don’t even sell them below one pico Farad.

That can’t stop anyone from “winging it” by fabricating their own variety of low-level capacitances by stringing a dozen or more pico Farad caps in series, but that has stopped anyone from assuming that it’s worth the bother, because electrical engineers are not taught the significance of parametric excitation.

There’s been some studies done on this topic – mostly to benefit audio engineering (see note #1, below), but not much emphasis is placed upon this topic within the realm of power stations.

It has been discovered that an amplification by a factor off two is possible. Simulators make the mistake of multiplying the amplitude of a signal by a factor of ten since they’re based on a decimal system of enumeration.

But the natural log base of ‘e’ is most likely the upper boundary of an exponential growth rate.

Still, that’s impressive!

Notes
  • BSTJ 15: 3. July 1936: Oscillations in an Electromechanical System. (Hussey, L.W.; Wrathall, L.R.) – “…When the impressed voltage was increased beyond a critical value mechanical vibrations suddenly built up and current of the difference frequency, larger in amplitude than the current of the impressed frequency, appeared in the electrical system.”
  • Klein Paradox – How an electron can pass through a barrier of electrostatic potential whose energy is greater than the energy of the electron by creating a pair of electrons one of which is the negation of its original making this inverse electron into the reversal of current. This describes the prismatic behavior of an extremely low-level of capacitance (significantly less than mere pico Farads).
  • Parametric Excitation of a Linear Oscillator, manual, by Eugene Butikov – “An important difference between parametric excitation and forced oscillations is related to the dependence of the growth of energy on the energy already stored in the system. While for forced excitation the increment of energy during one period is proportional to the amplitude of oscillations, i.e., to the square root of the energy, at parametric resonance the increment of energy is proportional to the energy stored in the system.” – Editor’s note: this latter condition of “the increment of energy is proportional to the energy stored in the system” makes it possible to witness exponential rates of growth of the amplitude of energy of a parametric oscillator. Although some of my simulations grow to infinity, others taper off at a plateau of amplitude to which the simulator treats this magnitude as if it were an unreachable limit. Butikov’s paper alludes to this: “In the case of parametric resonance, both the investment of energy caused by the modulation of a parameter and the frictional losses are proportional to the energy stored (to the square of the amplitude), and so their ratio does not depend on the amplitude. Therefore, parametric resonance is possible only when a threshold is exceeded, that is, when the increment of energy during a period (caused by the parametric variation) is larger than the amount of energy dissipated during the same time. To satisfy this requirement, the range of the parametric variation (the depth of modulation) must exceed some critical value. This critical (threshold) value of the modulation depth depends on friction. However, if the threshold is exceeded, the frictional losses of energy cannot restrict the growth of the amplitude. In a linear system the amplitude of parametrically excited oscillations must grow infinitely. In a nonlinear system the natural period depends on the amplitude of oscillations. If conditions for parametric resonance are fulfilled at small oscillations and the amplitude begins to grow, the conditions of resonance become violated at large amplitudes. In a real system the growth of the amplitude is restricted by nonlinear effects.”
  • Nonlinear Dynamics“What is ‘nonlinear dynamics’? Isn't it a ridiculous term like ‘non-elephant zoology’?” – Editor’s note: seven years ago, I gathered together the pages of these links (notes #4, #5, and #6). But none of this registered with anything I had ever known about before then. Last summer was when I “woke up” to this concept. And, today, I get to rediscover my having saved these webpages onto my computer. So, unless you’ve already known about how pendulums can variously oscillate under these conditions of “non-elephant zoology”, it would not be surprising if you sweep it aside as another example of “word-salad” or something similarly useless or not relevant.
  • “The foldover effect got its name from the bending of the resonance peak in a[n] amplitude versus frequency plot…. That is, the nonlinear oscillator oscillates either with a large amplitude or a small amplitude.” – Editor’s note: either an exponential gain over time or a comatose state (far less than the input level of energy). Here is a plot of an exponential gain taken from this website… {see, below, in the attachments filename pendper - graphic used in my post.gif}
  • Parametrically excited oscillations“In parametric resonance the amplitude of the unstable solution grows exponentially to infinity. Damping does not help to saturate this growth contrary to normal resonance caused by an additive driving force.”
  • Mr. Milkovic’s two-stage oscillator as a parametric oscillator, by Aleksandar B. Slavkovic,  March 07, 2009
  • Gabriel's Horn, Wikipedia – “Gabriel's horn (also called Torricelli's trumpet) is a particular geometric figure that has infinite surface area but finite volume.” – I can relate the volume of this to the Conservation of Energy. Yet, the container of this, namely: electrical reactance, could be analogous to the surface area of Gabriel’s Horn. The significance is that our perception, i.e.: measurement, of the finite energetic content of an indefinite reactive containment can vary over time giving us equivalencies of the magnitude of content of an energetic system has also varied over time. These equivalencies are what we call parametric amplification. In other words, more work is performed per unit of energy of expenditure. A simulator can’t tell the difference. So, it renders its parametric results as an amplification of power. For all practical purposes, this constitutes a “quarterback end-run” around the limitation of a conserved quantity of energy without actually violating it.
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« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2025, 07:31:02 pm »
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BTW, Xena E, faringon/treez/ocset had some (ahem) "special interests", but his monomania could be traced to a.form of reality.

Curiously, he has just had his username on edaboard changed from 'cupoftea' to '24vtingle'. The same old never-learning unsafe crap though. We're not missing anything apart from the thanks ( hmm :-\)

His "thanking" strategy was useful: it clearly and unambiguously demonstrated why up/downvoting is harmful.

How did you spot his moniker change? I wouldn't have, even if I still frequented edaboard.
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As a friend (who was a staid businessman in charge of all of the rebar and concrete sold to contractors who built a four-leaf, clover leaf interchange on one of the freeways in downtown Los Angeles) once quipped, "money is only a problem to those who don't have it" in response to a question from a meditator as to whether or not wealth was a barrier to yoga practice.

Trite and wrong; Readers Digest level philosophy.

As a kid my, my family unwittingly became friends with an extremely wealthy family. We learned that wealth does bring some problems, e.g. becoming isolated and friendless, not knowing who to trust. That caused them to value our friendship.

We also learned that those who have always been wealthy know what money doesn't bring, and don't worry about its trappings. The nouveaux riche are the ones who flaunt wealth, because they still think it makes them happy.

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The trans-Atlantic telegraph transmission problem of the 1800s seemed like a daunting task. They couldn’t figure out, at first, why the messages were not getting through. It took the insights of Oliver Heaviside to figure it out.

The point is, that they didn’t give up. What with all of their failures, they wanted to be successful badly enough to keep at it even if a Mr. Whitehouse got fired for frying one of the cables of his company by assuming that all that’s needed is to give it more voltage

I wondered how long it would be before this syllogism raised its head: "X was an eccentric misunderstood  genius; I am eccentric and misunderstood, therefore I am a genius" .

Hint: Heavyside made predictions that were shown to work in practical cases. They were later incorporated into standard mathematical theories that successfully made more correct predictions.
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