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[Electrodynamic]

Xena E

The electricity I'm using right now is coming out of the ground.

Weird and so is mine in a sense because my acreage has a rural Single-Wire Earth Return system. Technically the incoming grid electricity does come out of the ground and then alternately go back in on the primary side of my pole transformer. The secondary side supplies 240v to my house which is a closed circuit.

It's funny because in some other forums the supposed experts were talking about how Tesla was a quack for thinking any amount of power could be transferred on one wire. Then I would mention I have a rural SWER system and there was never a response. I can only imagine their surprise when they googled it and found half the country is powered by rural Single-Wire Earth Return systems. However as most understand it's not free energy in any sense of the word.

[Xena E]

Xena E

The electricity I'm using right now is coming out of the ground.

Weird and so is mine in a sense because my acreage has a rural Single-Wire Earth Return system. Technically the incoming grid electricity does come out of the ground and then alternately go back in on the primary side of my pole transformer. The secondary side supplies 240v to my house which is a closed circuit.

It's funny because in some other forums the supposed experts were talking about how Tesla was a quack for thinking any amount of power could be transferred on one wire. Then I would mention I have a rural SWER system and there was never a response. I can only imagine their surprise when they googled it and found half the country is powered by rural Single-Wire Earth Return systems. However as most understand it's not free energy in any sense of the word.

Placeholder as aid memoir for serious comment as quoted, busy at the moment. Suffice to say it is the correct method to investigate and then conclude if a thesis is correct .

My incoming power is a normal system just a buried cable but I have friends who live in rural MS who have a single HV feed to their community.

It doesn't work by just pulling current from the ground the energy has to come from somewhere these ramblings of Chet are just slop.

[paul cotter]

Arising ~6 am this morning and I switch on the computer to find the last post was from Xena just after 5 am. My first thought was Xena has been up all night fighting valiantly to uphold the truth!

[NE666]

As regards the level of stupidity, willful ignorance is way worse than stupidity.

Having followed this thread and others for some time, I don't think there is ignorance nor stupidity at play. What we're observing is a the manifestation of a narcissistic personality disorder ("Grandiose Narcissism").

It's my view that Chet doesn't believe half (if any) of what he comes out with. What he's looking for is engagement with his need to create conflict and then revel in the attention it gives him.

The repeated themes in his posts ('free from scientific dogma', 'originality over prior art/knowledge', his own unique perspectives and ability to understand) these aren't from ignorance. They're carefully tuned dog-whistles, crafted to induce the desired Pavlovian response within groups of scientists and engineers. And as he gets the rise that he wants every time, so he continues.

I'm therefore divided on the value of these types of threads. On the one hand, I salute the patience, tenacity and knowledge of people like Paul, Xena and Steve for providing a (chiefly) factual rebuttal to all of his nonsense, so that others might learn something and be instructed on the real art of debate, and the nature of scientific method and proof. I find their discussion of the actual physics and electronics that results both interesting and informative.

On the other, I think it's now past the time when Chet and those like him get de-platformed here. That is to say, it's time to stop feeding an obvious Troll. There's diminishing educational benefit to others in continuing this line of conversation.

[paul cotter]

That is a fairly common trait amongst the conspiracy and free energy/overunity gang. They are special because they have "the knowledge" that we, the sheeple, cannot see because of our training has been specifically designed to prevent out of the box thinking.
Look, I'm retired and I need a bit of amusement in my life. Maybe I'm a cruel bastard with a warped sense of humour but I find all these alternative unsciences(thank you, Steve!) to be hilariously funny. Also, it is not just idle amusement as I will help anyone I can to a better understanding, though in Chet's case this is not possible.

[nonius_]

Look, I'm retired and I need a bit of amusement in my life. Maybe I'm a cruel bastard with a warped sense of humour but I find all these alternative unsciences(thank you, Steve!) to be hilariously funny.

The humour escapes me. Apart from that, my time's too valuable for nonsense.

Not sure what the point is of this thread. It's either trolling or written by a simpleton. If trolling then the old adage 'don't feed the trolls' applies. If written by a simpleton: it's bad taste to make fun of those with a handicap or who have psychiatric problems. Life's hard enough for them as it is.

[paul cotter]

nonius, you have a relevant point there. If I thought there was any mental fragility with the TS I would not be commenting, at all. I don't believe that is the case as he seems impervious to various insults that have been aimed at him. He has been following various quacks and cranks who give him an alternate reality that he finds preferable and he has added the conspiracy theory that we are all programmed to avoid free energy/overunity by the "powers that be".
Whether he is allowed to post or not is a question for the mods but as long as he advocates error I will counter it, as will others. The reason he posts here is quite simple- there were a whole collection of free energy/overunity/antigravity websites 15 years ago and these are all gone now or are moribund(guess why?) so he has nowhere to post except here. 

[SteveThackery]

For me the important thing is that all this nonsense is tucked away in 'Dodgy Technology' and rarely escapes into the rest of the forum. Chet, to his credit, is very good about that and almost never encroaches into the wider forum. We have another couple of foolish characters - they know who they are - and again, they live mostly here in Dodgy Technology.

Certainly if this stuff started to permeate more widely it would require some firm action from Dave and the mods. But I don't think we are anywhere near that yet.

For me, Dodgy Technology is like the EEVblog playground and I enjoy it very much here. Much of it is very amusing. It also has another value: it has given me a lot of practice in explaining the scientific method or aspects of it. When I was lecturing I soon learned that explaining something in words clarifies your own thinking, which is something I appreciate.

Sometimes I do get exasperated by the drivel that gets spouted here; in that case I take a short break. But on the whole, for me, the entertainment value greatly exceeds the annoyance.

In summary I would say that, as long as it stays inside Dodgy Technology, we should be willing to let almost anything go. Just my opinion, of course.

[Xena E]

Arising ~6 am this morning and I switch on the computer to find the last post was from Xena just after 5 am. My first thought was Xena has been up all night fighting valiantly to uphold the truth!

Just up early for work, we have a department all weekender and want to get finished each day before the dilapidated aircon gets overwhelmed.

[Xena E]

Seriously.

One thing I notice about all of the Unscience^TM* brigade is their apparent common notion that Voltage and Current are tangible things that like fuel and oxygen can be combined with suitable circuitry to create power, rather than abstract means of measuring the electrical energy within a circuit.

*copyright @ SteveThackery.

[paul cotter]

Yea, I have seen that with the suggestion of combining a high voltage low current source with a low voltage high current source to produce a high voltage high current source!
Another common error is to multiply the open circuit voltage with the short circuit current to calculate the max deliverable power.

[nonius_]

(I usually click on 'recent posts' from the main page, so the subforum 'Dodgy Technology' isn't that isolated from the rest of EEVblog.)

there were a whole collection of free energy/overunity/antigravity websites 15 years ago and these are all gone now or are moribund

I've seen it all before, long ago (2003-2016) in a serious DIY renewable-energyforum where I was a frequent visitor. That place attracted its fair share of overunity-thinkers, but at the merest hint of it the thread was deleted (not just closed) and the user banned. (which, BTW, rarely stopped them from returning, with a nice little tantrum thrown in for good measure). If not, in no time the board would flood with people of the same ilk, reducing the signal-to-noise ratio to useless levels.

Plenty of talk and grand ideas, very little substance, usually by people with a limited educational background, and always the subliminal 'you guys are idiots who have been brainwashed by your edumacation' could be read between the lines. Often with a 'you build it for yourself if you don't believe me' thrown in for good measure (reversing the burden of proof). It gets tiresome. (or at least, it got tiresome for me).

I fully agree that the best way to understand a topic is to try to explain/teach it to others, but I prefer to spend my efforts on more worthwhile people who want to learn in good faith. But to each his own. You certainly have more patience than I!

[Electrodynamic]

Seriously.

One thing I notice about all of the Unscience^TM* brigade is their apparent common notion that Voltage and Current are tangible things that like fuel and oxygen can be combined with suitable circuitry to create power, rather than abstract means of measuring the electrical energy within a circuit.

*copyright @ SteveThackery.

The Copilot AI disagrees and claimes,
"Short answer: No — voltage and current are not “abstract measures of electrical energy.” 
They’re concrete, measurable physical quantities that describe how electrical energy moves and behaves in a circuit, but neither one is electrical energy.

The core idea
Electrical energy in a circuit is best described by power and work:
Power: 𝑃=𝑉⋅𝐼, Energy: 𝐸=𝑉⋅𝐼⋅𝑡, Voltage and current are the ingredients that produce electrical energy transfer, not the energy itself."

[Xena E]

Seriously.

One thing I notice about all of the Unscience^TM* brigade is their apparent common notion that Voltage and Current are tangible things that like fuel and oxygen can be combined with suitable circuitry to create power, rather than abstract means of measuring the electrical energy within a circuit.

*copyright @ SteveThackery.

The Copilot AI disagrees ...

"Short answer: No — voltage and current are not “abstract measures of electrical energy.” 
They’re concrete, measurable physical quantities that describe how electrical energy moves and behaves in a circuit, but neither one is electrical energy.
[...]

Maybe it's my grammar?

I'm sorry you have once again misunderstood, and thanks for posting that, but that alleged "AI quote" says No, but then goes on to agree with my point, and clearly states what I said!

Current and Voltage are ways of quantifying electrical energy... they are abstract human ideas to create a mental model of electrical systems, not actual real tangible things to be mixed in a laboratory beaker or some magical circuitry to provide energy.

Perhaps you are unaware but electrical energy existed before any method of quantifying it by humans was ever attempted. It wasn't something that Charles-Augustin de Coulomb pulled out of his fucking arse.

If you want to prove me wrong please do so, I'd be interested to see a bucket full of Amps and Volts being mixed together with a big magic woo woo spoon, which is what your buddy Chet seems to be proposing.

[NE666]

For me, Dodgy Technology is like the EEVblog playground and I enjoy it very much here.
...
on the whole, for me, the entertainment value greatly exceeds the annoyance.

Good. So long as contributors understand they themselves are being used as a source of entertainment too rather than of education, then it's all harmless fun between consenting adults.

I had the impression though that sometimes, out of a desire to 'do good', some respondents do lose sight of that if only momentarily: that they are being deliberately toyed with, rather than being honestly debated.

Each to their own but with eyes wide open.

[Xena E]

For me, Dodgy Technology is like the EEVblog playground and I enjoy it very much here.
...
on the whole, for me, the entertainment value greatly exceeds the annoyance.

Good. So long as contributors understand they themselves are being used as a source of entertainment too rather than of education, then it's all harmless fun between consenting adults.

I had the impression though that sometimes, out of a desire to 'do good', some respondents do lose sight of that if only momentarily: that they are being deliberately toyed with, rather than being honestly debated.

Each to their own but with eyes wide open.

That I'm not sure about.

Vinyasi/Chet is all over the interweb with his bullshit so part of me says he actually believes his own pulp. However he doesn't seem to put much effort into his posts and most are AI slop written.

I think it's funny because the likes of Google Gemini has now started regurgitating answers based on his posts quoting and using AI, it's all slowly turning into incoherent self consuming crap.

[paul cotter]

Indeed, "AI" is known to be coprophagous.

[Chet]

the energy has to come from somewhere

The Sun.

[Xena E]

the energy has to come from somewhere

The Sun.

So you're claiming photonic induction Chet, that's very clever.

Can you explain to us mere mortals how it applies to your brain farts sorry, child

[Chet]

Seriously.

One thing I notice about all of the Unscience^TM* brigade is their apparent common notion that Voltage and Current are tangible things that like fuel and oxygen can be combined with suitable circuitry to create power, rather than abstract means of measuring the electrical energy within a circuit.

*copyright @ SteveThackery.

The Copilot AI disagrees ...

"Short answer: No — voltage and current are not “abstract measures of electrical energy.” 
They’re concrete, measurable physical quantities that describe how electrical energy moves and behaves in a circuit, but neither one is electrical energy.
[...]

Maybe it's my grammar?

I'm sorry you have once again misunderstood, and thanks for posting that, but that alleged "AI quote" says No, but then goes on to agree with my point, and clearly states what I said!

Current and Voltage are ways of quantifying electrical energy... they are abstract human ideas to create a mental model of electrical systems, not actual real tangible things to be mixed in a laboratory beaker or some magical circuitry to provide energy.

Perhaps you are unaware but electrical energy existed before any method of quantifying it by humans was ever attempted. It wasn't something that Charles-Augustin de Coulomb pulled out of his fucking arse.

If you want to prove me wrong please do so, I'd be interested to see a bucket full of Amps and Volts being mixed together with a big magic woo woo spoon, which is what your buddy Chet seems to be proposing.

To be more accurate...

The medium voltage (120V) and low current of a sine source, let's say: the A/C mains, is blended with the extremely low voltage (one microvolt) and elevated current of a separate D/C ground source (which is not the A/C mains ground) to create a compositional result. This D/C ground source could be a galvanic pile, if need be, to encourage the accumulation (in addition to the formation) of amp-hours from its underground environment. The reactance of the circuit provides the negative impedance, plus the accumulation of nodal voltages, sufficient enough to pull current from out of the Earth from however distant is necessary to increase its cubic scope. As the nodal voltages increase, the amplitude of the negative impedance also increases which has the impact of increasing the territorial scope of current draw from the Earth.

These are very good criticisms. Excellent! I like a good, thinking crowd. Anyone else would be dullsville.

There's no woo-woo with this. Just simple mathematical addition of two sources.

My simulation adds the A/C mains ground under the assumption that its contribution will be extremely low voltage and low current D/C.

[Chet]

the energy has to come from somewhere

The Sun.

So you're claiming photonic induction Chet, that's very clever.

Can you explain to us mere mortals how it applies to your brain farts sorry, child

photonic induction?

No. Dielectric transference across the emptiness of space.

The Sun is a spherical capacitor, just as is every recognized planetary body in our solar system is likewise.

Each planetary body, and the Sun, is one plate of a multiplate celestial capacitor of various surface areas whose measurement of capacitance and charge varies, likewise.

If there is any other method of transference, such as photonic induction or amperage conduction, it is negligible at best and should be considered as leakages rather than as methods of transference.

[Chet]

Yea, I have seen that with the suggestion of combining a high voltage low current source with a low voltage high current source to produce a high voltage high current source!

Where is there the error in that?

[Xena E]

Seriously.

One thing I notice about all of the Unscience^TM* brigade is their apparent common notion that Voltage and Current are tangible things that like fuel and oxygen can be combined with suitable circuitry to create power, rather than abstract means of measuring the electrical energy within a circuit.

*copyright @ SteveThackery.

The Copilot AI disagrees ...

"Short answer: No — voltage and current are not “abstract measures of electrical energy.” 
They’re concrete, measurable physical quantities that describe how electrical energy moves and behaves in a circuit, but neither one is electrical energy.
[...]

Maybe it's my grammar?

I'm sorry you have once again misunderstood, and thanks for posting that, but that alleged "AI quote" says No, but then goes on to agree with my point, and clearly states what I said!

Current and Voltage are ways of quantifying electrical energy... they are abstract human ideas to create a mental model of electrical systems, not actual real tangible things to be mixed in a laboratory beaker or some magical circuitry to provide energy.

Perhaps you are unaware but electrical energy existed before any method of quantifying it by humans was ever attempted. It wasn't something that Charles-Augustin de Coulomb pulled out of his fucking arse.

If you want to prove me wrong please do so, I'd be interested to see a bucket full of Amps and Volts being mixed together with a big magic woo woo spoon, which is what your buddy Chet seems to be proposing.

To be more accurate...

The medium voltage (120V) and low current of a sine source, let's say: the A/C mains, is blended with the extremely low voltage (one microvolt) and elevated current of a separate D/C ground source (which is not the A/C mains ground) to create a compositional result. This D/C ground source could be a galvanic pile, if need be, to encourage the accumulation (in addition to the formation) of amp-hours from its underground environment. The reactance of the circuit provides the negative impedance, plus the accumulation of nodal voltages, sufficient enough to pull current from out of the Earth from however distant is necessary to increase its cubic scope. As the nodal voltages increase, the amplitude of the negative impedance also increases which has the impact of increasing the territorial scope of current draw from the Earth.

These are very good criticisms. Excellent! I like a good, thinking crowd. Anyone else would be dullsville.

There's no woo-woo with this. Just simple mathematical addition of two sources.

My simulation adds the A/C mains ground under the assumption that its contribution will be extremely low voltage and low current D/C.

Ah good, dialog of sorts.

So just for the sake of discussion we say that your proposed system works. And we pick random quantities of voltage and current.

Do you then claim that it is possible to combine a 100 Volt supply that can only drive a load with 1mA (ie., a maximum of 100mW...) with a 1mV supply that can drive a load with 100Amps (ie., also a maximum of 100mW), and from the combination of the two derive a supply capable of 100Volts that can drive a current of 100Amps (ie., a maximum of 10kW)?

Your only answer is to say yes or no.

[Chet]

Seriously.

One thing I notice about all of the Unscience^TM* brigade is their apparent common notion that Voltage and Current are tangible things that like fuel and oxygen can be combined with suitable circuitry to create power, rather than abstract means of measuring the electrical energy within a circuit.

*copyright @ SteveThackery.

The Copilot AI disagrees ...

"Short answer: No — voltage and current are not “abstract measures of electrical energy.” 
They’re concrete, measurable physical quantities that describe how electrical energy moves and behaves in a circuit, but neither one is electrical energy.
[...]

Maybe it's my grammar?

I'm sorry you have once again misunderstood, and thanks for posting that, but that alleged "AI quote" says No, but then goes on to agree with my point, and clearly states what I said!

Current and Voltage are ways of quantifying electrical energy... they are abstract human ideas to create a mental model of electrical systems, not actual real tangible things to be mixed in a laboratory beaker or some magical circuitry to provide energy.

Perhaps you are unaware but electrical energy existed before any method of quantifying it by humans was ever attempted. It wasn't something that Charles-Augustin de Coulomb pulled out of his fucking arse.

If you want to prove me wrong please do so, I'd be interested to see a bucket full of Amps and Volts being mixed together with a big magic woo woo spoon, which is what your buddy Chet seems to be proposing.

To be more accurate...

The medium voltage (120V) and low current of a sine source, let's say: the A/C mains, is blended with the extremely low voltage (one microvolt) and elevated current of a separate D/C ground source (which is not the A/C mains ground) to create a compositional result. This D/C ground source could be a galvanic pile, if need be, to encourage the accumulation (in addition to the formation) of amp-hours from its underground environment. The reactance of the circuit provides the negative impedance, plus the accumulation of nodal voltages, sufficient enough to pull current from out of the Earth from however distant is necessary to increase its cubic scope. As the nodal voltages increase, the amplitude of the negative impedance also increases which has the impact of increasing the territorial scope of current draw from the Earth.

These are very good criticisms. Excellent! I like a good, thinking crowd. Anyone else would be dullsville.

There's no woo-woo with this. Just simple mathematical addition of two sources.

My simulation adds the A/C mains ground under the assumption that its contribution will be extremely low voltage and low current D/C.

Ah good, dialog of sorts.

So just for the sake of discussion we say that your proposed system works. And we pick random quantities of voltage and current.

Do you then claim that it is possible to combine a 100 Volt supply that can only drive a load with 1mA (ie., a maximum of 100mW...) with a 1mV supply that can drive a load with 100Amps (ie., also a maximum of 100mW), and from the combination of the two derive a supply capable of 100Volts that can drive a current of 100Amps (ie., a maximum of 10kW)?

Your only answer is to say yes or no.

No. You misquoted me. So, your proposition will not work since anyone reading it will presume positive impedance for both ingredients.

To properly quote me, it must be understood that my simulation included three sources -- two of which are positively impeding and one of which is negatively impeding.

Positive impedance sources:

Mains ground and A/C mains.

Negative impedance sources:

Earthed ground rod with or without any additional galvanic pile.

You don't get to limit my response due to your misrepresentational quotation. 

[Xena E]

OK fair enough so you disagree that it is possible? Or are you saying something else, as I just hit the quote button and then asked you another hypothetical question... I'm just trying to understand what you're actually claiming in terms that spectators here can understand.

English being a third language for me it is sometimes hard fought for me to understand. I live in the UK but complex nuances escape me very often.

Viz

Yea, I have seen that with the suggestion of combining a high voltage low current source with a low voltage high current source to produce a high voltage high current source!

Where is there the error in that?

To help us understand are you asking Mr Cotter to explain the error, or are you in disagreement, and with that comment refuting his statement?

If you can clear up these simple questions for me, perhaps then I can move on to understand this proposal of yours for the more complex matter of multiple sources.

So.

Do you then claim that it is possible to combine a 100 Volt supply that can only drive a load with 1mA (ie., a maximum of 100mW...) with a 1mV supply that can drive a load with 100Amps (ie., also a maximum of 100mW), and from the combination of the two derive a supply capable of 100Volts that can drive a current of 100Amps (ie., a maximum of 10kW)?

Your only answer is to say yes or no.

Thank you.