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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2023, 05:21:18 am »
You mentioned you can use multimeter for the Tobiscope. In the following which I got 20  year ago and locally made in the Philippines.
When I put the probe in my skin, I couldn't get any ohm reading. It's infinity or no contact. What does your multimeter show? What really is the resistance between skin points? The multimeter lowest setting is 400 Ohms and it should be able to measure say 5 ohms.
The resistance you measure will depend on the probe material, surface area, how moist your skin is, how hard you squeeze the probes, etc.
Try it on the higher ranges first like the 4M \$\Omega\$ range.

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Also how does a multimeter in the ohm measurement compare to skin impedance meter? Aren't they the same?
Ohm meters work by putting out a voltage and measuring the current that flows. They can also work by putting out a constant current and measuring the voltage.
Even if they use the same techniques, different meters can use different voltages and currents which will effect readings on objects that are not purely "resistive".
ie: Things like semi conductors which have a non linear resistance. Or have voltages of their own such as the galvanic effect of probes on slightly acidic skin.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2023, 10:00:57 am »
Resistance is a DC measurement, impedance is an AC measurement. It will vary according to the same physical factors as resistance but also will be capacitance, inductance, and frequency dependant.
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2023, 04:21:38 pm »
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The above costs $350 from UK. If I'll just get a multimeter for both Tobiscope and Skin Impedance meter function. What is the most accurate multimeter in the world that can measures up to 0.00000001% accurate resistance?
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The impedance values that the D175 can display are 0, 0.5, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 20, 30, 50 kohm.

Think about that unit for a bit... How could it display an impedance with any kind of precision? For example, the 20K LED is probably going to light up for any resistance between 16K - 25K. So an accuracy of 0.0000001% would be meaningless. Heck, an accuracy of 1% would be virtually irrelevant at that level of resolution.

Resistance is a DC measurement, impedance is an AC measurement. It will vary according to the same physical factors as resistance but also will be capacitance, inductance, and frequency dependant.

You're right. Just looked at the spec sheet and it outputs a 30Hz biphase squarewave to measure the impedance, so it'll give a different reading than the ohm meter:
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2023, 06:45:45 pm »
What will happen if the frequency is 1000Hz insteaed of 30Hz. I mean, will the impedance of the electrode increase or decrease?

I don't really know. I usually probe circuit boards and not human bodies... Don't forget the probe gel...  ;D

You could buy an impedance analyzer that works across multiple frequencies... But it won't be cheap.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2023, 04:03:27 pm »
Look up "Kelvin probe" in google, not "Kevin probe", and you will find lots of details about this common construction.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2023, 05:53:03 pm »
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Do you know a ready made unit where Kelvin Probe is used?
There are many. The other thing it can be called is 4-wire measurement, because a Kelvin connection uses 4 wires/contact points.
There are many ohmmeters, LCR meters, etc that are capable of both 2-wire and 4-wire connection.

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Have you used one? It uses principle of capacitive coupling.
I have used several, but nothing like the SKP5050 with it's robotic scanning arm. None of them used capacitive coupling either. They all had 4 physical contact points with the device under test. (DUT)
The Kelvin thing is just a minor detail about the SKP5050 (I'm not even sure if it qualifies as using Kelvin measurement techniques). You can't really compare a Kelvin ohm or LCR meter to that thing.

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I can't use the Kevin Probe because of need to make big Faraday Cage. Does it cost thousands of dollars? If you have photo of it. Please share.
You don't need a Faraday Cage to use a normal kelvin probe setup. But if you could afford to buy the SKP5050, which needs it, you could afford to built one. ;)
Some DC Kelvin LCR/ohm meters do cost thousands of dollars. You can DIY a DC Kelvin test with two regular multimeters, resistor, and a power supply if you're willing to do the math.
I am retired now. So no photos available.

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2023, 02:38:21 am »
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My questions regarding the antenna. He said "In the near field, the energy is mathematically imaginary and is large reactive" and yet below he described "Conversely, via the use of small electric and magnetic field probes inserted at various locations in this near-field region, one can run diagnostic study on the functional state of this dipole antenna".

When he says, "mathematically imaginary" he means imaginary numbers as used in mathematics. An example of an imaginary number would be the square root of a negative number.
As for imaginary numbers in regards to antennas, you can read more about that here.

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My question is this. Since the near field is alleged imaginary, how can probes work with it? What's the conventional views of this?
It is real. It's just mathematically described using imaginary numbers.
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2023, 02:43:44 am »
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What happens if pin 6 (A4) and 8 (A2) tied together? How does it differ to the pins 20 (-CE) and 22 (-OE) tied together.

Well, first I'll say that his diagram with the 3 EEPROMs makes no sense as drawn. He has the address (A0-A12) and data (D0-D7) lines floating. -CE and -OE are the Chip Enable and Output Enable lines. It looks like he's just randomly programming data into the EEPROMs by letting the pins float while pulsing the WR (write) line with oscillators. By grounding A4 and A2, it would just mean that some areas of memory would remain blank and never get programmed with random data. He doesn't specify any part number for the EEPROMs on the diagram. It is possible that they are actually UVEPROMS which are light sensitive with their window uncovered and are not EEPROMs which have no window.
Perhaps, by having  A4 and A2 grounded he ended up seeing patterns in the data which he ascribed to "imprinting", where as in reality all he was seeing was the bit pattern in the EEPROM generated by unprogrammed data cells and mistakenly attributed it to transferred intelligence.
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2023, 03:33:31 am »
Maybe that contruption would have worked better if he connected supply voltage to the oscillators  :-DD
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2023, 03:52:49 pm »
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Here is the 1 oscillator design and his emphasizing it doesn't follow conventional connections:
Yea, he's probably just using those premade crystal oscillators in a can with TTL/CMOS output.

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Is there semiconductor inside an EEPROM?
Yup... It's a silicon chip just like other ICs... Basically stores data on an array of floating MOSFET gates..

If I actually believed in this stuff, I'd try something much simpler. I'd think it would be much easier to "concentrate my mind" on a single object rather than manipulate a few hundred thousand MOSFETS inside a tiny chip.
ie: I'd try a MOSFET with a floating gate. Then have a LED via a resistor connected between the drain and battery+ (source would go to battery-). If I could turn the LED on/off at will with my mind, by changing the charge on the gate via thinking, and demonstrate sending Morse code, I'd be getting the Nobel myself.


 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2023, 10:49:50 pm »
In the tabulated list of exotic fields in that book, there is mention of "N rays", discovered by Blondlot (at Nancy, hence the name) in 1903, while everyone was excited about the newly-discovered X rays in a different country.
They are a textbook case of "bad science", where a putative weak effect was used to verify a strong cause.
See  https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200708/history.cfm
Their debunking by Robert Wood of Johns Hopkins in 1904 is a textbook case of how to debunk a claim.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #86 on: September 20, 2023, 12:02:35 pm »
So you are just going to keep throwing stuff at us and expect us to try and make sense all of it for you?
Like every message you bring up some weird concepts from some random book or website we never heard of before.
Also, why do you keep copy and paste huge chunk of texts from your sources? It makes your messages really messy and hard to navigate.
Just give us the link then we can read for ourselves if we wish to.
 
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #87 on: September 20, 2023, 03:50:11 pm »
Let me mention one above. Thomas Galen Hieronymus who used the word "Eloptic Energy" for the modern Bio-field.
He was an electrical engineer like you guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_machine
Once he put plants in complete darkness in his basement. There were control plants. For the plants where he connected wire to the top in the house. It produced green leaves even in complete darkness. I know chlorophyll needs photons. But somehow he described the wires able to transmit Eloptic Energy that can make the plants in complete dark sprout green.

It won't work. But you're free to try it yourself and debunk my disbelief. It would be a simple experiment for you to try.

 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #88 on: September 20, 2023, 10:13:08 pm »
Here is the 1 oscillator design and his emphasizing it doesn't follow conventional connections:
Ofcourse it does not, because that schematic does not make sense. There is no LM7805 voltage regulator with such pinout, the LED diode will never turn on, and you can't do anything with the memory ICs with the wiring shown. Let me introduce you to device's datasheets. It will help you look less stupid next time.
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2023, 04:01:39 am »
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They consulted clairvoyants to check it.

I don't think it matters what you use. It could be a ping pong ball, a brick, a crystal, a badly wired EEPROM circuit, etc. The clairvoyants will tell you what you want to hear.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #90 on: September 21, 2023, 05:00:01 am »
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What happens to each floating MOSFET gates when the EEPROM is powered off versus than when it isn't powered on? I know the address line can be floating if not grounded. But why does it float? I mean, if not grounded, why can the MOSFET gates value change?

I think it's due to stray charge building up on gates of MOSFETs and logic ICs, cuasing them to change values. The same thing can happens with bench muitimeter with high input impedance. Charge builds up on the open input, causing the muitimeter to read a rising voltage. It disappears as soon as you connect an actual voltage source to it.
 
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #91 on: September 21, 2023, 04:26:17 pm »
Ok. Here is a challenge. If you can debunk the Pranic healing organization (via the Canada branch).

The burden of proof is upon the people making the claims. So it is up the Pranic healing organizations to scientifically prove that their methods work. They haven't done so, therefore they are auto-debunked.

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I posted this paragraph here because I'd like to ask what is meant by a 3-stage vacuum tube RF amplifier? What's the equivalent now? and What's a wire bifilar coil? Do we still use this now? Can you build everything using modern IC based?

It just means that the amplifier is using three vacuum tube amplifiers daisy-chained together for a higher gain than a single stage would provide. A modern amplifier could easily match or exceed the performance of the old tube RF amp.
A bifilar wound coil has two windings that are wound in parallel instead of separately.

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2023, 07:44:17 pm »
Actually they already have. If you will google "Pranic healing scientific experiments". There are just too many like the following I randomly clicked:
see other experiments like it at https://library.mibckerala.org/lms_frame/eBook/Pranic%20Healing%20Research.pdf

That's not a scientific paper. Not even close. Just a bunch of unsubstantiated claims.

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Hieronymus has even Ph.D. in physics. If you have time. Please look at it.

A quote from Wiki under Scientific reception:
"The claims of Hieronymus about "eloptic" emanations were heavily criticized by the scientific community as having no basis in reality. His machines have been compared to the quack devices of Albert Abrams and have also been described as an example of pseudoscience."
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #93 on: September 21, 2023, 11:52:59 pm »
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Is pranic healing canada near or far from your home?

There is, but I'm not going to pay $350-$500 for a course in 2029 (or at any other time for that matter). Probably a typo since, the other course is listed as being held in 2020...  :palm:
Maybe the course prerequisite is being able to time travel?

Noticed their little disclaimer at the bottom:
"Public Notice: Pranic Healing is not intended to replace orthodox medicine, but rather to complement it. If symptoms persist or the ailment is severe, please immediately consult a Medical Doctor or a Certified Pranic Healer. Pranic Healers are not Medical Doctors, but Medical Doctors can be Pranic Healers. Pranic Healers should not make Medical Diagnosis. Pranic Healers should not prescribe Medications and / or Medical Treatments. Pranic Healers should not interfere with prescribed Medications and / or with Medical Treatments. Master Choa Kok Sui - Founder of Modern Pranic Healing - January 12, 2006"

Looks like someone doesn't have 100% faith in their own methods...
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2023, 03:23:31 am »
This is an absolutely required statement for anyone practising "healing" activities. What it means is that the law doesn't have faith in their methods, and in most countries it's against the law to practise what could be thought of as medicine by the unsufficiently warned patient. So whether they have faith in their own methods or not, they don't have a choice if they want to keep practising and not end up in jail.

 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #95 on: September 22, 2023, 05:20:25 am »
You lost me.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2023, 03:48:56 pm »
c) I wouldn't want someone aiming a 15 to 25 watt laser at my body!  :scared:

Sounds like dangerous bullshit to me.
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2023, 04:02:27 pm »
Holy shit there is some real bullshit in this thread.  :o
Where does all this test equipment keep coming from?!?

https://www.youtube.com/NearFarMedia/
 
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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2023, 04:09:01 pm »
What "substance(s) used to produce laser light" contain 50% to 80% carbon?
See note a) by Mei Ling near the end of that excerpt.
 

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Re: Tobiscope design (with instructions from the CIA)
« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2023, 04:45:05 am »
If it doesn't use photons, it's not a laser.
Feel free to follow your own mythology, but don't confuse technical terms.
 
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