Wait long enough and Zen 2 will be out with apparently competitive single thread performance. Even Linus, the other one, ate his words.
No, no, no... modern cases put the radiator at the TOP of the box, pulling from the case and exiting upward so the CPU doesn't heat anything up.But how do I stack things on top of my computer case?
Oh sweet cheese and crackers...
It's like I'm the ONLY ONE in here who bothered to read the BOM and actually has a clue what is really needed to fulfill it, for Ifni's sake.
You all are building a Dell corporate fleet machine in your head. bean needs a freaking content creation powerhouse CAPABLE of rendering 8K video, because he wants to be able to do 4K video in a reasonable amount of time under warehouse-workshop hostile environment conditions. VERY similar needs to a top-tier 144FPS+ gaming rig, only ALSO needing massive multi-thread processing and oodles of RAM, and the bandwidth to keep it all from gagging on that load.
smeesh.
Though I WOULD recommend one thing for sure, my friend. Budget another $100-150 for a name-brand 120mm by 240mm AIO sealed liquid cooler. Even with the reduced 95W/105W TDP of the 3900X, the Wraith that comes in the box is gonna be howling like a freight train trying to keep your Zen3 cool at 40° ambient; no matter how big the box.
mnem
Nope. didn't miss 'em. I'm just not kidding myself about what bean needs for what he wants to do. I've been doing nothing for months but looking at builds and framerates and render times on just the sort of work he wants to do, and even 2900Xs have a hard time doing some of it in reasonable amounts of time. The bandwidth bottlenecks are part of it, as are all but the most expensive processors.
A good air cooler is also additional money. You CAN buy an all-in-one like mine for as little as $60. I was recommending something like Corsair's Non-RGB 120x240mm cooler, which is more like$90now $75. I think for bean's situation, there simply is no contest for that kind of money.
Cheers,
mnem
I intended to stay silent, but cannot stop from face palming from what's happening here. ^FYI Ryzen 3000 series drop infinity fabric frequency by half if you go over 3733 MHz RAM. All your super fast RAM will do is reducing performance for a lot of money. Also all those ultra high clocked RAM are not JEDEC compliant and are just non IC mfg binned and overclocked 2133 MHz chips. As for performance, going above 3200MHz barely gives any performance increase on 3000 series. Not that it even mattered that much with previous models in anything other than games. As of suggested AIO coolers, not only they are not better in cooling or more silent than high end air coolers, they also sometimes leak and if that happens destroy your MOBO, GPU and possibly set PSU on fire.
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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($254.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Shadow Rock Slim 67.8 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($49.80 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Corsair - MP510 480 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 4 GB Dual Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $1209.71
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I did put in the original post both a CPU and GPU with the GPU (likely an RX 580 at the time) in particular being up for discussion so it was in a separate paragraph from memory. Given the release prices of the new 5700's I would expect maybe a small bump in quantity and reduction in second hand pricing locally so I will be sitting on my hands for a bit for a GPU purchase.
For a processor the 3700X is where I am going and it is still with the budget. To me it is well worth the $80USD premium over the 2700X for punch and the drop in power.
Re memory. Bad idea to go 4 slots of 8Gb so I am going 2 slots of 16Gb and given the law of diminishing returns on $ for speeds over 3200 it is about where I want to go. 3-6 months or a year down the track most likely a different answer but to balance the budget this makes sense to me at this time.
wraper, even with you on ignore I can't get away from your inane drivel. If you'd actually BOTHERED to listen to the video you snapshotted, you'd realize he was saying the EXACT OPPOSITE. He is saying that up til NOW, this has been the case... but with the new 3xxx processors and X570 MBs, 3800MHz will be not only possible, it will be the baseline of performance. That DDR4 3600 (not 3200) will be the VALUE config, with high-end power users able to go DDR4-4200 and even OC to 5GHz plus.
"Should work". Somebody else who didn't read the original BOM, has no idea what is really needed. Here we go again. Both of you are building yesterday's budget gaming rig, NOT a next-gen content creation rendering machine.
wraper, even with you on ignore I can't get away from your inane drivel. If you'd actually BOTHERED to listen to the video you snapshotted, you'd realize he was saying the EXACT OPPOSITE. He is saying that up til NOW, this has been the case... but with the new 3xxx processors and X570 MBs, 3800MHz will be not only possible, it will be the baseline of performance. That DDR4 3600 (not 3200) will be the VALUE config, with high-end power users able to go DDR4-4200 and even OC to 5GHz plus.
THAT, BTW, is the neighborhood of what bean is building.
And again... the video supported my argument that pcie4.0 is a big deal, and in EXACTLY the way I described it. Shocking.
Your arguments against liquid cooling... partcularly AOIs, are utter infantile feces-flinging. Seriously. No nicer way to put it. you just show your ignorance when you post crap like that. But hey, keep dragging your friends in here to post irrelevant stuff like the above. It helps to spread the ignorance around.
Cheers,
mnem
As I am fairly badly colourblind and lack a $1k+ monitor there is little to be gained with looking to hard on grading but a better monitor is planned after the box. The more I look at it the RX580 is the low point and new fits in well for the budget. A lot of what I have been looking at is filtering out 100-200+FPS BS on cards with game X down to some real numbers and productivity.
Much as I have set a budget I only have to justify changing it to myself and my Cal gear is testament to not being bound by $ for a result. Does Beanflying need a 2060super or an RX 5700
Judging by the video posted a few posts back you need an RX5700 XT and a 3900X. That combination somewhat surprisingly absolutely smokes anything and everything when it comes to DaVinci Resolve.
As I am fairly badly colourblind and lack a $1k+ monitor there is little to be gained with looking to hard on grading but a better monitor is planned after the box. The more I look at it the RX580 is the low point and new fits in well for the budget. A lot of what I have been looking at is filtering out 100-200+FPS BS on cards with game X down to some real numbers and productivity.
That DDR4 3600 (not 3200) will be the VALUE config, with high-end power users able to go DDR4-4200 and even OC to 5GHz plus.