REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol

[Electro Fan]

How about if we create a topic about the new/future verison/model of the Rigol´s oscilloscopes? 
Including: DS1000-Z, DS2000-S, DS2000-Z, etc.
With specifications, rumors and other.
What would be the suitable name for this topic?

Rigol DS-Z Specs, Rumors, and Other (Q&A)

[mickpah]

How about if we create a topic about the new/future verison/model of the Rigol´s oscilloscopes? 
Including: DS1000-Z, DS2000-S, DS2000-Z, etc.
With specifications, rumors and other.
What would be the suitable name for this topic?

Rigol DS-Z Specs, Rumors, and Other (Q&A)

DS2000-S is not so much a rumor, more a question if and when it gets out of the Chinese domestic market and to the rest of the world
http://cn.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000/ - use google translate bottom of the page
Some holds true for DG1000Z AWG's and DSG3000 RF sig gens.
I like to keep an eyes on what coming so I don't get something that is EOLed a week later, but like any tech purchase can;t wait for the next model or you will never get anything done. Just have to get the best for $$$ when you need, thats it easier said than done too.

[UberSteve]

To UberSteve:
What model of probes was bringing?

As in are they rp3300 or rp3300a ?

The "a" version are not switchable between x1 and x10
 
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 Darryl

Hi guys, mine came with the RP3300A, fixed 10x 300Mhz probes. I contacted Emona about it today, and they said that is what Rigol are shipping now.

Apart from being fixed 10X, what are the main differences between the RP3300 and RP3300A's? I understand, in 1X mode, you only get ~8Mhz BW anyway, right? I guess you get better SNR in 1X mode though?

-Steve

[Carrington]

Better image that a thousand words, so you can judge by yourself. 

Fortunately mine came with the RP3300, S/N:DS2A1516xxxxx
How about? New in market: Rigol's Oscilloscopes, Specs, Rumors, and Other (Q & A).

[Carrington]

My serial starts DS2A1521xxxxx  so thats like may 2013, about right i'd say for a 4th june 2013 assembled and tested ready to go.
Darryl

Maybe we can "refine" the date of the probes change?

[marmad]

Hi guys, mine came with the RP3300A, fixed 10x 300Mhz probes. I contacted Emona about it today, and they said that is what Rigol are shipping now.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, all the materials online - at Rigol's main site and elsewhere- list the RP3300 as the probes that come with the DSO (they even have the RP3300 User's Guide posted!) - so you are well within your rights to demand an exchange if you want to - because the RP3300 is what is advertised as coming with the DSO.

If they want to change what's being delivered with the DSO, they need to change their online documentation and advertisements first.

[gilbjd]

Carrington said:

"Maybe we can "refine" the date of the probes change?"

Another data point:

My DS2072 obtained from Emona has serial number DSA1520XXXXXX and came with RP3300 probes (x1, x10). Checked out (package contents check and calibration) in the Rigol factory on 20 May 2013.

[Carrington]

Thanks for the info gilbjd. By now the range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1527xxxxx (Week 27, 2013) -> RP3300A


Does anyone know the size of the DS2000´s fan? Is 60mm?

[jsykes]

All
I found this and let Google translate it. I converted it to PDF format for all to see. Of course, the translation leaves much to be desired but it's good enough to understand the necessary info.

[Hydrawerk]

Anyway, there were also only 1:10 150MHz probes with my 70MHz scope DSOX2002A.

[marmad]

Anyway, there were also only 1:10 150MHz probes with my 70MHz scope DSOX2002A.

Yes, but we all have 200MHz 70MHz scopes. 

[Carrington]

Anyway, there were also only 1:10 150MHz probes with my 70MHz scope DSOX2002A.

Yes, but we all have 200MHz 70MHz scopes. 

Really?  I think that the real BW is a bit more than 200MHz. 

[Carrington]

LOL EEvblog at www.amobbs.com 

http://www.amobbs.com/thread-5519611-1-1.html

Chinese youtube: http://www.youku.com/

[darrylp]

Thanks for the info gilbjd. By now the range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1527xxxxx (Week 27, 2013) -> RP3300A

my scope is DS2A1521, and came of course with the RP3300A probes.   I'm wondering in the manual, they made a mistake and forgot to update the date of print ?

anyway my internal calibration ( I guess done at the factory ) was 26 May 2013.  now of course i've "unlocked mine" i've done a self-cal, and it shows todays date.

[Carrington]

Wow... I think we have now the exact moment in which the change was made.
New range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1521xxxxx (Week 21, 2013) -> RP3300A

Thanks for the info darrylp and gilbjd.

[zibadun]

Wow... I think we have now the exact moment in which the change was made.
New range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1521xxxxx (Week 21, 2013) -> RP3300A

Thanks for the info darrylp and gilbjd.

That was one last ditch effort to bandwidth limit the scope

[M. András]

this qestion is aimed for users who play with this scope for a relative long time and even have an agilent x2k or x3k series scope as comparison.

how do you analyze spi bus with this scope? 2 channel for clock data in and data out?
any quirks regarding the longevity of the scope. im seriously looking at these as the prices is damn good, even the lowest agilent model is twice the price
sorry for not reading trough a 107 page topic which i wasnt interested in before

[Carrington]

how do you analyze spi bus with this scope? 2 channel for clock data in and data out?

The answer is obvious, I think. 

[darrylp]

Wow... I think we have now the exact moment in which the change was made.
New range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1521xxxxx (Week 21, 2013) -> RP3300A

Thanks for the info darrylp and gilbjd.

That was one last ditch effort to bandwidth limit the scope

the rp3300a probes are still 300MHz, just down from the rp3300 at 350MHz.

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 Darryl

[zibadun]

the rp3300a probes are still 300MHz, just down from the rp3300 at 350MHz.

--
 Darryl

oh I see they are 10:1 fixed.  No big deal . Almost no reason to use 1:1 unless measuring insanely low level signals.

[Orange]

this qestion is aimed for users who play with this scope for a relative long time and even have an agilent x2k or x3k series scope as comparison.

how do you analyze spi bus with this scope? 2 channel for clock data in and data out?
any quirks regarding the longevity of the scope. im seriously looking at these as the prices is damn good, even the lowest agilent model is twice the price
sorry for not reading trough a 107 page topic which i wasnt interested in before

Good question. the SPI interface bus has 4 signal lines. At least 3 are usefull or required to monitor. I used the I2C decoder, and that has a clock and data signal so here you have no problem on a 2chan scope.

I would assume you need to connect the clock and one of the data lines to see RX or TX.... Perhaps someone which has used the SPI can fill in.

[Orange]

Wow... I think we have now the exact moment in which the change was made.
New range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1521xxxxx (Week 21, 2013) -> RP3300A

Thanks for the info darrylp and gilbjd.

That was one last ditch effort to bandwidth limit the scope

the rp3300a probes are still 300MHz, just down from the rp3300 at 350MHz.

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 Darryl

Would it be possible to place a picture of the rp3300a probe?, I looked at the rigol site, but could not find any.

[darrylp]

Wow... I think we have now the exact moment in which the change was made.
New range is:

  DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
  DS2A1521xxxxx (Week 21, 2013) -> RP3300A

Thanks for the info darrylp and gilbjd.

That was one last ditch effort to bandwidth limit the scope

the rp3300a probes are still 300MHz, just down from the rp3300 at 350MHz.

--
 Darryl

Would it be possible to place a picture of the rp3300a probe?, I looked at the rigol site, but could not find any.

Here one on the spec sheet.



--
 Darryl

[Carrington]

Ok 50MHz less, no problem.
The question is: Really reach the RP3300 until 350MHz?
I have a P6200 probe (200MHz) and his rise time is less than the RP3300. Why? No idea! 
Cheers!

[Orange]

That looks like a nice probe, not so clumsy as the rp3300