REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol

[leafi]

Does anyone else's DS2702 have a low frequency buzzing sound coming from the power supply area? It sounds like my transformer is buzzing. I am not looking forward to RMA'ing the scope I just got today.

[bronson]

Unfortunately no. Other than the overeager fan, this thing is pretty much silent.

[up8051]

Serial: DS2A15270XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02 (latest I believe?)
Hardware version: 1.0.1.0.0
DS2A1527xxxxx (Week 27, 2013) -> RP3300A

Serial: DS2A1527XXXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0
DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300

Hi All,

My DS2072 I got yesterday came with the switchable RP3300 probes.

Serial: DS2A1509XXXXXX ( (Week 9, 2013 ?)
Software version: 00.00.01
Hardware version: 1.0
Probes ->  RP3300
No information about FPGA version

Is the latest firmware?
Why version numbers are in short form?

Best regards,
up8051

[Carrington]

I've noticed that with the series DS2A1527XXXXX RIGOL not only changed the probes.

UberSteve: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg263616/#msg263616
Serial: DS2A15270XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02 (latest I believe?)
Hardware version: 1.0.1.0.0

Leonard Tatzig: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol%27s-internal-i2c-bus/msg269946/#msg269946
Serial: DS2A1527XXXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

Carrington: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg264041/#msg264041
DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300
DS2A1527xxxxx (Week 27, 2013) -> RP3300A

Hi All,

My DS2072 I got yesterday came with the switchable RP3300 probes.

Serial: DS2A1509XXXXXX ( (Week 9, 2013 ?)
Software version: 00.00.01
Hardware version: 1.0
Probes ->  RP3300
No information about FPGA version

Is the latest firmware?
Why version numbers are in short form?

Best regards,
up8051

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg158684/#msg158684

To get the full firmware version info from the DSO, follow these instructions:

Go to the Trigger menu and set Edge trigger.
While keeping the Trigger menu open, you are going to use the 6th and 7th right-side menu buttons as follows:
Press the [Menu7][Menu6][Menu7][Utility] buttons one after another quickly.
Then check additional info under System -> System Info.

Please post the result.

Note: I allowed myself to edit your post to clarify.
Cheers.

[up8051]

Hi,

Full info:

Serial: DS2A1509XXXXX
Software version: 00.00.01.00.05
Hardware version: 1.0.1.0.0
FPGA version:
 SPU 03.01.05
 WPU 00.06.00
 CCU 12.29.00
 MCU 00.05

RP3300 probes

Best regards,
up8051

[marmad]

Software version: 00.00.01.00.05

Old FW version - there have been 2 releases since the one you have. You can find download links and instructions for upgrading on the first page of this thread.

[Carrington]

Anyone know how many versions of HW exist until today's date?

1.0 -> 1.0.1.0.0 -> 2.0 

Thanks.


Okay I think I have the answer, just two HW version: 1.0.1.0.0 -> 2.0.
And I have the feeling that in the 2.0 Ver. they have improved the PSU and DC/DC parts.

[Electro Fan]

Just checking to see if you could feed a string such as 01000001 which represents “A” in ASCII (by simply turning on and off voltage at some level (maybe 3.3V or 5V) over periodically uniform time intervals and have the 2072 decode the 1s and 0s string into the letter A?  Thanks!

[Carrington]

Just checking to see if you could feed a string such as 01000001 which represents “A” in ASCII (by simply turning on and off voltage at some level (maybe 3.3V or 5V) over periodically uniform time intervals and have the 2072 decode 1s and 0s into the letter A?  Thanks!

What?

[Electro Fan]

Just checking to see if you could feed a string such as 01000001 which represents “A” in ASCII (by simply turning on and off voltage at some level (maybe 3.3V or 5V) over periodically uniform time intervals and have the 2072 decode 1s and 0s into the letter A?  Thanks!

What?

Hi Carrington,

Sorry, that probably wasn't fully clear (and I'm sure it was off topic from the current page in this 100+ page thread, but I generally look at it as this thread as "the Encylopedia of Rigol 2072" thread), and EEV + marmad et al as Guttenberg.

What I was asking about was focused on the capabilities of the Rigol decoder option.

I understand that if you probe, for example, a I2C signal with a 2072 that has the decoder option (SD-DS2) turned on, that you can decode the I2C signal into hex, ascii, decimal, and binary.

So, my question was simply if you could deocode an ascii string that wasn't derived specifically from an I2C signal, but was in fact a legitimate ascii character (such as the letter A).

To test this, one could conceivably generate a signal by driving voltage high and low at intervals that would correspond to a given character and then probe the signal with a 2072 with the SD-DS2 option.  Whether the Decoding Table or Event Table would decode and display such a string is the question.

http://www.tequipment.net/RigolSD-DS2.html
- I think this is the manual for the SD-DS2 and I think it applies to the DS2000 series and the DS4000 series, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Carrington]

Hi Electro Fan!
Okay, now I understand.
But I don't know what result will give it.

[PA0PBZ]

I guess you can decode any signal into ASCII, but you need either to specify the baudrate (like in RS-232) or you need a data and a clock line.

It also has something called parallel decode, I'm still puzzled how that is going to work with just 2 channels...

[Electro Fan]

I guess you can decode any signal into ASCII, but you need either to specify the baudrate (like in RS-232) or you need a data and a clock line.

It also has something called parallel decode, I'm still puzzled how that is going to work with just 2 channels...

Ok, cool - so that would be two separate ways to set it up?
1) make sure to generate the probed signal at one of the specified baud rates, or
2) provide a separate clock line

- either approach should work fine given that the 2072 has 2 available channels
- just curious to see if anyone wants to confirm this is possible by giving it a try  (This icon is entitled Broken! but it looked like a great one for "please see if you can decode an ASCII string on your 2072, Thx")

[carpelux]

Another DS2072 buy trigged by the great work done by some people here. Big thanks to you all!

Received the scope yesterday. It was manufactured week 27 and came with latest FW (00.01.01.00.02) and RP300A probes but with hw 1.0.1.0.0. I did enter a DSAZ key by the scope keypad, and it worked a treat on first try. Scope is now fully unlocked and no problem what so ever with serial number.

Once again, big thanks to all of You!

[PA0PBZ]

- just curious to see if anyone wants to confirm this is possible by giving it a try

Here you go:

[Electro Fan]

- just curious to see if anyone wants to confirm this is possible by giving it a try

Here you go:

NICE!!

PAOPBZ - any chance you can walk us through the steps you took to do that?

Thanks!  EF

[tlu]

I'm also curious as to how you manage to achieve this. Please do tell us your set up as I want to try this out for myself as well.

[PA0PBZ]

It is really very easy: Hook one channel up to the output of an RS232 port, press one of the decode buttons and set up the parameters, see attachment 1. Then send you character(s) over the line and enjoy. There is also a cute event table, see attachment 2.

[K3KO]

I'm in the process of buying either the 2072 or 2102.  Given the below remarks.  Which model makes the most sense to purchase.

(I really wanted the 200 MHz bandwidth/ 2 ns /1.8ns risetime model but the prices is out of sight.)
   
I see there was some success in hacking the 2072 so that one can essentially have a 2202.
However,  I was unable to find exactly how this is done among the 100 pages of postings.
Is there a link which gives software (WINDOWS) and instructions a neophyte hacker could follow?

New to digital scopes and right now a bit overwhelmed with the capabilities!

Brian

[PA0PBZ]

Is there a link which gives software (WINDOWS) and instructions a neophyte hacker could follow?

PM sent.

[Mr Simpleton]

My 2072 was received today and had the following loaded:
DS2A1520xxxxx with RP3300 switchable 350MHz probes
sw ver 00.01.01.00.02
hw ver 1.0.1.0.0
FPGA
SPU 03.01.05
WPU 00.06.05
CCU 12.29.00
MCU 00.05

Have yet to crack it open to see what's inside!

[K3KO]

Ordered today for TEquipment.  Estimated shipping date 8/23....  Rats.  Guess it's popular.

Trying to sort through the documentation.  It appears that the 300 Meg Ultra Sigma software is needed only to install USB drivers-- if you're not going to query and receive data using it.  RUU2.03 seems like a better route.

If  I understand properly the VISA520runtime.exe routines  install the drivers for you (100 meg!). Strikes me that 100 meg is a lot for just drivers.    I guess one has to set the scope USB option to PC.

The manual magically has the installer finding the drivers from thin air -- assuming UltraSigma is installed.

The fog is thick right now. ....

Brian

[Sparky]

DS2000 series owners check your heat sink clips!

After using my new DS2072 for several days.  I noticed a rattling sound when I moved it.  Having heard of this clip retainer issue, I decided to investigate, but didn't want to void the warranty.  Luckily the heatsinks and clips can all be seen from the side ventilation holes.   I found on clip and one retainer were missing.  After lots of shaking, I was able to get both of the missing parts position by the ventilation holes and pulled them out with a tweezers.

It appears the retaining loop was soldered but not good enough for the heavy spring tension on it.

<snip>

After a long absence from posting in this favorite thread, I'm back!  I wish I had more time to post here, but for now just a cautionary note...

I've just experienced the same issue as martinv describes above.  I've been using my scope quite a bit recently, and aside from it warming up, there have been some very hot days in SoCal recently.  I was working and all of a sudden heard a loud metallic clank sound.  I had no idea where it came from, but today when I moved my scope I heard a rattle inside and recalled this heat sink clip issue.

I followed Mike's YouTube video to circumvent the warranty sticker, and opened up the unit.  Sure enough the spring was not in place.  I could not find the retaining clip; presumably it fell out when I was opening up the unit.  I believe the metallic clunk I heard was the retention clip getting pulled out and hitting the power supply cover.

See attached pic (warning: very high res!).

Just wanted to post a reminder that this is something to be on the look out for if you hear rattling in your scope!  Obviously not good to have metal pieces loose around in there...

Take care folks!

[martinv]

After a long absence from posting in this favorite thread, I'm back!  I wish I had more time to post here, but for now just a cautionary note...

I've just experienced the same issue as martinv describes above.  I've been using my scope quite a bit recently, and aside from it warming up, there have been some very hot days in SoCal recently.  I was working and all of a sudden heard a loud metallic clank sound.  I had no idea where it came from, but today when I moved my scope I heard a rattle inside and recalled this heat sink clip issue.

I followed Mike's YouTube video to circumvent the warranty sticker, and opened up the unit.  Sure enough the spring was not in place.  I could not find the retaining clip; presumably it fell out when I was opening up the unit.  I believe the metallic clunk I heard was the retention clip getting pulled out and hitting the power supply cover.

See attached pic (warning: very high res!).

Just wanted to post a reminder that this is something to be on the look out for if you hear rattling in your scope!  Obviously not good to have metal pieces loose around in there...

Take care folks!

Check the fan.  On my scope one of the loose parts stuck to the fan motor and was held there by the motor magnets so shaking didn't dislodge it.

[SeanB]

Very stupid to rely on the solder alone to hold it in the board. At the least I would make a new one out of a paper clip cut in half, pushed through the hole and bent over on the underside before soldering back in the hole.