Yes, STEAM is still around. And leads to the question. What isn't in STEAM?
STEM was a movement predicated on the lack of interest and education in the sciences resulting in a shortage of qualified technical talent to keep our technology based society going. Was there concern that there isn't enough art based talent to keep Hollywood going that resulted in the addition of arts? Nah, it was just that the band, music and art teachers saw a good bandwagon and jumped on.
I purpose, in return for the honour you do us by coming to see what are
our proceedings here, to bring before you, in the course of these
lectures, the Chemical History of a Candle. I have taken this subject on a
former occasion; and were it left to my own will, I should prefer to
repeat it almost every year--so abundant is the interest that attaches
itself to the subject, so wonderful are the varieties of outlet which it
offers into the various departments of philosophy. There is not a law
under which any part of this universe is governed which does not come into
play, and is touched upon in these phenomena. There is no better, there is
no more open door by which you can enter into the study of natural
philosophy, than by considering the physical phenomena of a candle. I
trust, therefore, I shall not disappoint you in choosing this for my
subject rather than any newer topic, which could not be better, were it
even so good.
My personal experience with "arts" in STEM education was very poor. We were forced to take a class called "English for Math Majors" - the only course I have ever experience that was so banal it had mandatory attendence. Half the class was ESL students, and it was a full semester of 1.5 hour lectures by an unenthusiastic grad student on middle-school spelling and grammar. We even had to write multiple 5 paragraph essays on assigned topics. I'm not sure who graded them; I can only imagine how torturous that process must have been.
Funny how the hardest part of getting a degree is the pointless bullshit.
I greatly regret not learning to draw well in school.
Having an eye for design is universally useful, and it is very hard to cultivate directly. Experiencing and analyzing a certain amount of art/architecture/design is one of the best ways to improve your skill.
My personal experience with "arts" in STEM education was very poor. We were forced to take a class called "English for Math Majors" - the only course I have ever experience that was so banal it had mandatory attendence. Half the class was ESL students, and it was a full semester of 1.5 hour lectures by an unenthusiastic grad student on middle-school spelling and grammar. We even had to write multiple 5 paragraph essays on assigned topics. I'm not sure who graded them; I can only imagine how torturous that process must have been.
Funny how the hardest part of getting a degree is the pointless bullshit.
So while maybe strictly unobtainable communism is surely something that may lead to misfortune of those in disagreement.
The difference now is the state and the corporations that own it now really does not want to "need" anybody who it does not control, or might be seen as owing some obligation to.
Thats were AI comes in. Our one hope would be open algorithms and FOSS so attempts are being made to demonize all the things that could stop it.
Also, the people here who are deluded into thinking socialism is taking over are profoundly ignorant, as its capitalism thats doing it. (but pretending its the opposite)
I greatly regret not learning to draw well in school.I think drawing something one is either good at or not. Of course practise will lead to improvement, but it won't make up for lack of talent. I was always poor at drawing. It was a problem at school, in design and technology and art classes, but then I grew up and used CAD, so I have no regrets in not wasting my time.QuoteHaving an eye for design is universally useful, and it is very hard to cultivate directly. Experiencing and analyzing a certain amount of art/architecture/design is one of the best ways to improve your skill.I agree, but one can be good at that and poor at getting it down on paper.QuoteMy personal experience with "arts" in STEM education was very poor. We were forced to take a class called "English for Math Majors" - the only course I have ever experience that was so banal it had mandatory attendence. Half the class was ESL students, and it was a full semester of 1.5 hour lectures by an unenthusiastic grad student on middle-school spelling and grammar. We even had to write multiple 5 paragraph essays on assigned topics. I'm not sure who graded them; I can only imagine how torturous that process must have been.
Funny how the hardest part of getting a degree is the pointless bullshit.Did it have to be handwritten? If so, I would have stood no chance whatsoever at passing. My handwriting is very slow and illegible. I remember having to take a written communication exam at college. I took it three times and failed each time. The problem for me, was I had to write too much, in too little time. Even if I'd been given an A grade paper to copy, I still would have failed to re-write it, in the allotted time. Initially I was given 25% extra time, but that wasn't enough. I asked if I could type it, but the examining board refused. In the end, they gave a full day to take the exam, because they knew my problem was getting it down on paper and I passed the fourth time!
This sounds similar as blaming Catholicism for pedophilia of Islam for terrorism. Only people that have misinterpreted and misused the idea are to be blamed not the idea itself.
It's their department that is in problems, it's them who fail to get a decent job, it's them who always need somebody else's money.
Seems better to me to include math, physics, engineering, economics in libtard studies.
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Our mission to transform engineering education based on scholarship and research rests on three pillars: Re-imagining engineering and engineering education, creating field-shaping knowledge, and empowering agents of change.
The behaviors we value are:
being collegial, cooperative and mutually supportive;
acting with integrity and respect and building trust;
balancing work with other commitments;
being socially conscious in what we do and how we do it;
thinking strategically and striving for excellence;
being accountable.
Above all else, we seek to put students first in all we do.
Our goals are:
Empower our people - Empower all members of the School (students; professional, administrative, and clerical staff; recruiters; advisors; and faculty) to contribute to the success of our integrated, multifaceted mission while achieving their individual professional goals.
Set the pace - Offer a full suite of undergraduate and graduate programs that set the global standard in engineering education grounded in and contributing to cutting-edge scholarship and research.
Tackle the big (research) questions - Create a world-renowned interdisciplinary research concentration at Purdue that addresses the big questions and challenges facing STEM education, with particular emphasis on engineering.
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As for different types of university courses these days, I like professor Peterson's suggestion, paraphrasing:
Cut every university budget by 30% and let them fight it out among themselves which ones are the most valuable.
I suspect Prudue's "Engineering Education" department would get the chop
As for different types of university courses these days, I like professor Peterson's suggestion, paraphrasing:
Cut every university budget by 30% and let them fight it out among themselves which ones are the most valuable.
I suspect Prudue's "Engineering Education" department would get the chopCourses without lab work are much cheaper to run. The last time I knew specific numbers for UK universities, a humanities course cost less than half as much to run as the average science or engineering course. It can't be much different other countries. This has regularly caused a tightening of belts to result in science and engineering courses being cut first, with no regard for their utility.
In any case I don't see how these "warriors" can destroy engineering. They best they can be a temporary distraction for students. At the end you have to go through the curriculum. Just like you can't hurt math or chemistry (but you can destroy an English curriculum with puffery).
No, it is still around and I hate it. STEM is almost totally about teamwork. Art is for the most part about an individual's work.
Books, plays, art works etc. are done by one person.
Erm, isn't a play almost quintessential teamwork? Even if it is a monologue end-to-end, there is still at the absolute minimum an author, an actor, a director, lighting engineer and a bored stage hand. I've been involved with stage and screen drama and they are probably the most social, team-work oriented environments I have been in.
Books, even pure fiction, aren't solo enterprises either, there's at least the writer and their editor involved.
I'd go so far as to say that the more 'artsy' the environment I've worked in the more real team-work was involved and the more 'engineering' the environment the less real teamwork involved. I won't say who, but I spent about a year working in the design department at one well known manufacturer of networking equipment and the only time I got out of my solo cubicle to do any 'team-work' was when I had to physically chase down people to twist their arms to get around to doing their sign-offs on my work.
No, it is still around and I hate it. STEM is almost totally about teamwork. Art is for the most part about an individual's work.
Books, plays, art works etc. are done by one person.
Erm, isn't a play almost quintessential teamwork? Even if it is a monologue end-to-end, there is still at the absolute minimum an author, an actor, a director, lighting engineer and a bored stage hand. I've been involved with stage and screen drama and they are probably the most social, team-work oriented environments I have been in.
Books, even pure fiction, aren't solo enterprises either, there's at least the writer and their editor involved.
I'd go so far as to say that the more 'artsy' the environment I've worked in the more real team-work was involved and the more 'engineering' the environment the less real teamwork involved. I won't say who, but I spent about a year working in the design department at one well known manufacturer of networking equipment and the only time I got out of my solo cubicle to do any 'team-work' was when I had to physically chase down people to twist their arms to get around to doing their sign-offs on my work.
Please notice my use of the word "MOSTLY".
You have stated some of circumstances that required me to use the word MOSTLY.
MOSTLY!
No, it is still around and I hate it. STEM is almost totally about teamwork. Art is for the most part about an individual's work.
Books, plays, art works etc. are done by one person.
Erm, isn't a play almost quintessential teamwork? Even if it is a monologue end-to-end, there is still at the absolute minimum an author, an actor, a director, lighting engineer and a bored stage hand. I've been involved with stage and screen drama and they are probably the most social, team-work oriented environments I have been in.
Books, even pure fiction, aren't solo enterprises either, there's at least the writer and their editor involved.
I'd go so far as to say that the more 'artsy' the environment I've worked in the more real team-work was involved and the more 'engineering' the environment the less real teamwork involved. I won't say who, but I spent about a year working in the design department at one well known manufacturer of networking equipment and the only time I got out of my solo cubicle to do any 'team-work' was when I had to physically chase down people to twist their arms to get around to doing their sign-offs on my work.
Please notice my use of the word "MOSTLY".
You have stated some of circumstances that required me to use the word MOSTLY.
MOSTLY!
You can say it three times, but it still doesn't appear even once in what you quote; which was written by someone completely else.
Are we there yet?Calm down, take some Soma.
As for different types of university courses these days, I like professor Peterson's suggestion, paraphrasing:
Cut every university budget by 30% and let them fight it out among themselves which ones are the most valuable.
I suspect Prudue's "Engineering Education" department would get the chop
As for Purdue, what do they actually do? It's a whole department devoted to what? Trying to figure out the direction of engineering? For who?
Far as I can tell engineering education has been just fine for the last century and has progressed well enough on it's own. Why the need for an entire "Engineering Education" department and producing graduates in that field?
If anything I can see myself, in theory, being a prime candidate for such a course, but I'm buggered if I can see any actual value in it?
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The Soviet Union was killing people in this way for many years, both before and after it joined the Allies.
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Vladimir Bukovsky explains: “When Communists come to power, it does not matter where, let it be in Russia, in Poland, in Cuba, in Nicaragua, in China, initially they destroy about ten percent of the population in order to 'restructure the fabric of society'. It's 'Social Engineering': Top intellectuals, best workers, best engineers; they would kill them all and then they would try to 'restructure' the society."
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GO back and read it again. Somehow you took my post and attributed it to HowardLong.
You are right. It doesn't seem that you can do things by yourself. You need someone to correct your work.
Books, plays, art works etc. are done by one person.
GO back and read it again. Somehow you took my post and attributed it to HowardLong.
You are right. It doesn't seem that you can do things by yourself. You need someone to correct your work.
Yup, my bad, I stuffed up the quoting. No need to be abusive though, the only thing it does is make your argument look even weaker than it already is. What I said still stands - you didn't say "mostly" at all, and you did say:QuoteBooks, plays, art works etc. are done by one person.
Which has no qualification whatsoever.