Dear and well respected ADMIN
You attacked Free energy community and in return you got negative attention from science community in USA
You attacked American Scientists.
There is a big difference between expression of your opinion and shaming with no basis for it.
Free Energy community is many times bigger than EEV and quite powerful - and is not important if they are educated or not
- they have friends, family members, kids in universities,
How much of a joy did you get from trashing them all?
Was it worth to do it?
ebastler: Oh, and you are a believer in "free energy" too?
Science doesn't recognize believes and assumptions made based on believes , and we are not here to believe in something, but to form our own base in that particular science.
Listen to Dr Roy one more time if you will..
https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ?t=302
With all due respect you didn't yet ask: even one single question or provided any credible disprove of Dr Corum scientific basis for Zenneck wave in the interface.
I doubt that you can list types of interfaces and its characteristic properties.
Correct me if I'm wrong please.
defining who is "in" and "out" (i.e. worthy of participating in the thread).
In the world of logic when two opposing sides are confronted there is a chance that the audience will be benefiting from the level of that information exchange.
I don't mind to be nailed to the wall, by some smart guys out there.
The problem is that only one side here accepts and embraces logic.
Please be advised that there is a certain boundary in information exchange ruled by partners in research and that puts entire group of people into stop including me.
So my freedom of information sharing, may be limited in area of intellectual property rights.
So don't expect to have an answer to every question you have.
Trying to hide the lack of any credible evidence behind the shield of "IP rights" is a base and obvious canard.
Dear and well respected ADMIN
You attacked Free energy community and in return you got negative attention from science community in USA
The Free Energy community are not scientists. It is pseudo-science at best, outright fraud at worst.
You attacked American Scientists.
Again, not scientists; they are pseudo scientists or fraudsters.
There is a big difference between expression of your opinion and shaming with no basis for it.
The basis is that it contravenes the known laws of physics without offering any credible evidence.
Free Energy community is many times bigger than EEV and quite powerful - and is not important if they are educated or not
While it may not be important whether they are educated or not, it is important that they take funding attention away from genuine research. I'll forgo making the obvious pun regarding how powerful they are.
- they have friends, family members, kids in universities,
How much of a joy did you get from trashing them all?
Was it worth to do it?
It's not about getting pleasure from trashing people, it's about pointing out the complete lack of scientific rigour, and absence of any credible evidence.
@marek1 It was amusing in a schadenfreude kind of way for a short time to watch yet another attempt to make us believe black is white, up is down, and that the laws of physics don't apply if they contradict your pet theory, but I'm getting fed up of your passive-aggressive, condescending, and faux-polite attitude.
I'm not aggressive at all . I'm very friendly and supportive of both the EEV blog and Free Energy activists.
please be so kind and provide the evidence of any aggressiveness of mine.In the world of logic when two opposing sides are confronted there is a chance that the audience will be benefiting from the level of that information exchange.
I don't mind to be nailed to the wall, by some smart guys out there.
The problem is that only one side here accepts and embraces logic.
Would you be so kind and support your point?
Please be advised that there is a certain boundary in information exchange ruled by partners in research and that puts entire group of people into stop including me.
So my freedom of information sharing, may be limited in area of intellectual property rights.
So don't expect to have an answer to every question you have.
Trying to hide the lack of any credible evidence behind the shield of "IP rights" is a base and obvious canard.
My dear friend your point is not related to subject of this discussion.
Dear and well respected ADMIN
You attacked Free energy community and in return you got negative attention from science community in USA
The Free Energy community are not scientists. It is pseudo-science at best, outright fraud at worst.
Good point thank you.
I do agree with you , but that applies to every other group too.
However there are valuable people there willing to contribute and Wesley is one of them. He was just moved with number of EEV videos criticizing
FE .
You attacked American Scientists.
Again, not scientists; they are pseudo scientists or fraudsters.
This is an accusation . Do you have any evidence , or your comment is ignoring rights to honor and dignity.
Dr Corum is American Scientist with PhD... are you too ?
are you also PhD in electrical engineering
Do you understand that your writing is below any level of respect to others?
There is a big difference between expression of your opinion and shaming with no basis for it.
The basis is that it contravenes the known laws of physics without offering any credible evidence.
What do you know about mechanisms of physics applied by Dr Corum?
Can you provide any support to your statement or you don't have it?
Free Energy community is many times bigger than EEV and quite powerful - and is not important if they are educated or not
While it may not be important whether they are educated or not, it is important that they take funding attention away from genuine research. I'll forgo making the obvious pun regarding how powerful they are.
I do thank you for your opinion but these who are in valuable research will not be affected by FE uneducated public.
And yes it is not important how powerful they are.
You right.
- they have friends, family members, kids in universities,
How much of a joy did you get from trashing them all?
Was it worth to do it?
It's not about getting pleasure from trashing people, it's about pointing out the complete lack of scientific rigour, and absence of any credible evidence.
Yes this is good point.
However way you pointing at it must not !!!! disrespect other people who were not fortunate enough to have your education but they willing to understand
And calling them Bullshit is vulgar unamerican socially ugly and below any level of acceptance .
I would ask the admins to close the thread before it devolves into a flame-war but by and large EEVBlog members are not naive enough to be so drawn by such an obvious flame-baiter, so it's probably unnecessary. Boredom with the circular arguments should be enough to kill this thread, I think.
Don't squash me just because you ignorantly can .. I didn't deserve it !!!!!
Don't squash me just because you ignorantly can .. I didn't deserve it !!!!!
You claimed to believe in free energy...on a massive electronics forum...and now you say you don't deserve to be "attacked" AKA utterly proven wrong by actual science. Well then...I guess we shouldn't go after flat earthers, creationists, anti-vaxxers, audiophools, car mod fools, exc, exc. with actual science as well huh?
Science doesn't recognize believes and assumptions made based on believes , and we are not here to believe in something, but to form our own base in that particular science
How long you the respected group of world best professionals will
push me to respond to accusations instead of me going to peaceful constructive conversation with Dr. SaiSharma .
So in other words, unless Corum brothers did innovate and design an ultra compact ultra high Q resonator-coupler to work at such low frequencies, it cannot work as claimed which explains probably the bankrupt.
Corum brothers did innovate and design an ultra compact ultra high Q resonator-coupler to work at such low frequencies, it cannot work as claimed which explains probably the bankrupt.There are two separate pieces of information.
1. one is a statement:
" Corum brothers did innovate and design an ultra compact ultra high Q resonator-coupler to work at such low frequencies
it cannot work as claimed"
question: would you be so kind and:
- provide me link to that particular Q resonator-coupler and explain or provide credible explanation why it doesn't work?
2. another one is the conclusive assumption in area of logic
- https://www.math.toronto.edu/preparing-for-calculus/3_logic/we_2_if_then.html
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
" it cannot work as claimed which explains probably the bankrupt.
would you be so kind and provide a relation between your conclusive assumption and your statement based on any evidence?
Reasoning:
In this forum I was requested by valuable seniors members to provide supporting evidence and/or links, and/or explanation for my statement and
I provided answers to the best of my ability as to:
- why calling with "names" other people without having basis for it is inappropriate.
- why I say that Dr Corum his brother and the owner of Vziv were not benefiting and they never earned any money for their IP( intellectual property)
With my all do respect Dr Albert Roseiro It is my pleasure talking to you .
Only picked up on this little gem just now... In an earlier post from Tantatron, we have this statement (emphasis added):So in other words, unless Corum brothers did innovate and design an ultra compact ultra high Q resonator-coupler to work at such low frequencies, it cannot work as claimed which explains probably the bankrupt.
And this is what marek1 makes of it. A deliberate mis-quote or utter lack of reading comprehension, followed by a multi-paragraph tirade in four different fonts. And of course the conclusion that Tantatron is "out", in a subsequent post.
[...] the burden of the proof when incredible claims belongs to the inventor, it cannot be transferred to the body rejecting the incredible claim.
So in other words, unless Corum brothers did innovate and design an ultra compact ultra high Q resonator-coupler to work at such low frequencies, it cannot work as claimed which explains probably the bankrupt.
And this is what marek1 makes of it. A deliberate mis-quote or utter lack of reading comprehension, followed by a multi-paragraph tirade in four different fonts.
there is nothing wrong with questioning and that question was not directed to you... so why you acting like that or like some kid form the street ?
I ask Questions only
Do you still not get it? You misquoted Tantratron, in a way that totally twisted the meaning of his post, and then challenged him to give you proof for statements he never made.
What is your contribution to the subject matter from science of Zenneck Wave stand point.?
You didn't attempt to disprove the scientific basis of Dr Corum and your action is just to bull others.
You want to feel strong than do it with knowledge..
Free energy comes from conversion of energy from other natural sources that are free of charge.
Thermal, water flow, sun, and so on...
You paying for the device and get your energy for free.
// showing both the non-ethical behaviour and lack of RF engineering education of @marek1.//
No. The correct terminology for this is "renewable energy".
The attempt by the Free Energy community to include renewables into their oeuvre is purely about trying to legitimise their pseudo science/scammery
by associating it with real science and engineering. Real scientists and engineers do not fall for this trick, though sadly far too many politicians and members of the general public do.
I would ask the admins to close the thread before it devolves into a flame-war
Don't worry, I banned the nutter, sensible debate may resume - for now.