edit : i already see in the movie it makes less noise :
get a CRO
Proper ETS is always relevant.
But on the other hand indeed, OP has do really decide his BW requirements. If Digilent's 30MHz analog and 100MS/s (50MHz?) digital are enough then it has some killer features for the price: 2CH 14bit in, 2CH 14bit out, 16ch analyzer and 16-channel pattern generator (3.3V CMOS, 100MS/s) that suddenly got me all sweaty and wanting to buy the damn thing (so far I've used Arduinos for patterns).
Much more complex choice with Pico because they do not have >8bit MSO (do have >8bit 4ch). However reading the FFT thread - 8bit Pico seems to operate pretty much at theoretical limit so 2206B MSO at 559€ might do the trick (50MHz, 1GS/s, 32MS memory, 16ch digital 100 MHz (200 Mb/s) and >52dB SDFR @ 100kHz) ...depending on what OP means by audio. For example my good friend means gold vinyl needles made in Japan couple K€ a pop...
I didn't see this model at TEquipment - is it current?
I wonder what I can do with a 4 bit arbitrary waveform? OR, I wonder if I am reading that correctly - 10.2.3
The 50 kHz square wave limit is pretty much useless for me. 10 kHz Ramp? Seriously?
I didn't see this model at TEquipment - is it current?
Do you mean they dont sell it because it is old already ?, what site do you mean exact ?
I wonder what I can do with a 4 bit arbitrary waveform? OR, I wonder if I am reading that correctly - 10.2.3
The 50 kHz square wave limit is pretty much useless for me. 10 kHz Ramp? Seriously?
I am busy with audio, i have no clue what to do with a frequency generator in the Megahertz domain, maybe you all make radios or something ?
The pattern generator i could use for triggering drum sounds / enveloppes, if it plays at very low speeds, then i dont need to add a microcontroller for creating drumsounds.
The frequency generator is settable with 0.1 Hz below 1K, very good for me for developing resonant filters,
if i could have original wave + breadboard output in 1 screen comparing i am happy, together with pattern generator for enveloppe generators.
I cannot realy see in the manual if it is all usable at the same time ?
They also have Siglent, what is the best choise from Siglent ?, do they also have that fan noise ?, is Siglent a better brand to buy then Rigol ?
This is gonna save me alot of money buying Rigol or Siglent.
edit : i already see in the movie it makes less noise :
There should be no relationship between the display and the signal generator.
If you want an inbuilt AWG then you need to select a SDS1000X + (Plus) model and they have 16 ch MSO capability too. These units all come with the Decode option free ATM.
In answer to your wonderings on use of the AWG at the same time, yes of course you can but the waveform is not displayed, you have to feed it into one of the channels if you want/need to see it.
There should be no relationship between the display and the signal generator.If you want an inbuilt AWG then you need to select a SDS1000X + (Plus) model and they have 16 ch MSO capability too. These units all come with the Decode option free ATM.
In answer to your wonderings on use of the AWG at the same time, yes of course you can but the waveform is not displayed, you have to feed it into one of the channels if you want/need to see it.
Ok, i was just guessing, still it would be handy some internal routing to a ( extra/virtual ) channel.
@ tautech : to bad the 16ch cable is not included for free.
Yes the Siglent is looking good also, only made in China makes me think twice,
what i see in the movies is the build quality of R&S is superior to others, made in EU.
The Rigol looks bad quality to me, i dont trust in the long term, i rather buy Siglent or even better, GW-instek made in Taiwan,
its about having cheap or expensive brand, i am very carefull with my stuff, if it breaks its not my fault, thats why i rather not buy cheap China brands,
it is very attractive, i have enough money for chinese brands already, one mouseclick away.
If you wanto send me a demo model for lending on your risk, maybe you can convince me as Siglent distributor.
.. only made in China makes me think twice,
.. build quality made in EU.
.. GW-instek made in Taiwan,
R&S is also a good possibility. Aren't they made in Euorpe somewhere?
There should be no relationship between the display and the signal generator.If you want an inbuilt AWG then you need to select a SDS1000X + (Plus) model and they have 16 ch MSO capability too. These units all come with the Decode option free ATM.
In answer to your wonderings on use of the AWG at the same time, yes of course you can but the waveform is not displayed, you have to feed it into one of the channels if you want/need to see it.
Ok, i was just guessing, still it would be handy some internal routing to a ( extra/virtual ) channel.
@ tautech : to bad the 16ch cable is not included for free.
Yes the Siglent is looking good also, only made in China makes me think twice,
what i see in the movies is the build quality of R&S is superior to others, made in EU.
The Rigol looks bad quality to me, i dont trust in the long term, i rather buy Siglent or even better, GW-instek made in Taiwan,
its about having cheap or expensive brand, i am very carefull with my stuff, if it breaks its not my fault, thats why i rather not buy cheap China brands,
it is very attractive, i have enough money for chinese brands already, one mouseclick away.
If you wanto send me a demo model for lending on your risk, maybe you can convince me as Siglent distributor.
to bad the 16ch cable is not included for free.
The R&S/Hameg has got HD mode ( 16 bit ), does Rigol and Siglent has this also ?
Ok, not all China is bad, they have this reputation, India reputation is even worse i think.
Does Siglent fix all theyr bugs like Rigol has done ?
The R&S/Hameg has got HD mode ( 16 bit ), does Rigol and Siglent has this also ?
Does Siglent fix all theyr bugs like Rigol has done ?
PisoScope has some nice 16bit scopes at low cost, but the so called low cost is still $1150+.
I'm also not convinced by the build quality of Hameg HMO1000 series. In Dave's video I can spot a few problems off the bat: BNCs not bolted to the chassis so they will break from the PCB at some point.
Also the main PCB is mounted in the wrong orientation without proper support which makes it flex due to vibrations (setting it on a desk for example)
... GW Instek
I'm also not convinced by the build quality of Hameg HMO1000 series. In Dave's video I can spot a few problems off the bat: BNCs not bolted to the chassis so they will break from the PCB at some point.Says who? Can you point us to somebody who managed to break theirs?
R&S are a company with a lot more experience than the GoodWill Instrument Company at this sort of thing. I think they know how to mount a BNC connector.
PS: Dave disagrees with you at 28:48 ... and most of the rest of the video. He really likes the build quality.
5000 series does 1Gsps at high resolution.
Does Siglent fix all their bugs like Rigol has done ?
Does Siglent fix all their bugs like Rigol has done ?You're taking the piss, right ?
The fastest bug fix I recall was one I reported from a member here in a SDG2042X AWG and it was fixed in 2 weeks.
When we can identify a bug that can be reproduced at the factory it's normally always fixed in the next FW release.
All modern DSO's have some shortcomings, some are substandard specs, some are bugs but the most important feature must and must always be: basic functionality must be right
All modern DSO's have some shortcomings, some are substandard specs, some are bugs but the most important feature must and must always be: basic functionality must be rightI have to disagree: an oscilloscope should deliver it's specifications out of the box and if not it has to be fixed within a few weeks at most. Not years! Both Rigol and Siglent release oscilloscopes way before the firmware is at an acceptable level and need several years (>3) to make the firmware work at a level it matches the specifications.