Any hardware containing the words 'enterprise', 'pro' or 'Apple'.
Actually it is not the stupid pricing that's the problem, it's the STUPID PAYING. People, just stop.
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Any hardware containing the words 'enterprise', 'pro' or 'Apple'.
Actually it is not the stupid pricing that's the problem, it's the STUPID PAYING. People, just stop.To be fair, when lots of that stuff is used by people that actually need some of the specs, it lives up to pricing/expectations. Also Apple phones in corporate environments are not bad, easily to integrate into MDM systems, good supply chain for pre-configured models to cause minimal workload on local sysadmins, decent software update period (=usable for years).
Of course, on lots of stuff that gets the "enterprise" stamp the quality is sometimes questionable.
And, for a non-enterprise user that does not use the features that make the premium, they pay more that they probably would have to for a competitors model.
I kind of feel we need laws that limit the profitability of products.
But it would be a crazy hard thing to regulate and almost everyone would be against it.
Would also be difficult to do as some low volume things do need to be high profit. Sales volume would have to play into the calculation.
Not going to happen but interesting to think about.
Simply making the BOM cost of all products require public knowledge would help somewhat to shame companies into not overpricing things.
Yeah, I'm more thinking of situations where the company could cut retail prices by 50% and they'd still be raking in billions in profit and have no problem paying back ROI over a reasonable time.
in short we see competition sets the price of what the marketplace can withstand.
In any case, test equipment is a specialized industry. Not really what I'm talking about.
I feel like test equipment is incredibly proportional to scientific progress. In the long term its better if the margins are lower for society IMO, I feel like some people have the idea that its a luxury good... but it leads to game changing scientific breakthroughs.Some things are priced so its like big corporations only, which don't necessarily have the smartest people, or the best intentions.
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I feel like test equipment is incredibly proportional to scientific progress. In the long term its better if the margins are lower for society IMO, I feel like some people have the idea that its a luxury good... but it leads to game changing scientific breakthroughs.Some things are priced so its like big corporations only, which don't necessarily have the smartest people, or the best intentions.
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Cutting edge science needs cutting edge test equipment... which itself sometimes needs cutting edge science to make.
Id say retail is taking too much of a profit. They just buy up products from brands and sell them to costumers, yet they have 50 to 100% markups on them. They are taking a really big cut of the pie for how much work they are putting into it. This goes up a lot for specialized stuff that is sold to industry.
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Things like specialized scientific equipment require a lot of expensive R&D to develop and don't sell many units, so the huge cost has to be spread over a small number of products. On top of that the money for the R&D might have come from investors that want to see a return on there investment.
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With that said, since you talk about “sold to industry”, maybe you’re not actually talking about retail, but about distributors. And yeah, they take a cut. But whether that’s bad is debatable, it depends on what value they add. I mean, buying parts in small quantities on Digi-Key, etc. is way more expensive than buying a reel from the manufacturer. But you’re paying for the convenience of being able to buy small amounts of each part, of parts from multiple manufacturers, all in stock at one place, as a consumer or small business that the manufacturers don’t actually want to deal with. And that’s why manufacturers like TI or Analog Devices outsource their own logistics to Digi-Key, mouser, etc.
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but you can see I think also that high price leads to innovation. I think its amazing what people have done with the SDR platform. RF test equipment is generally expensive, and I think alot of people put their effort into SDR.. and that became a powerful tool that IMO lead to a kind of 'rf revolution', enabled tons of people to work with RF that would normally not mess with it. It is a different direction to head in, but it seems that the utility of those kinds of inventions are huge. Cheap hobby of the RTL-SDR lead to extreme proliferation, massive surge in polarity and a super increase in education and practical capabilities.
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Our products used to go through distribution. And I'm not talking about Digikey, I'm talking about small specialized automation distributors. In order to carry your stuff, they want exclusivity contracts over some region in addition to adding a big markup to the final price. Since I also worked applications support, I heard from a number of customers that they loved our stuff and it worked great but the final price the distributors marked the thing up to was out of their price range so they went with something less expensive. That gets pretty frustrating.
Like so many things, the low cost SDR stuff is a direct result of the cellphone industry demanding cheaper more integrated RF solutions so they can make phones smaller and cheaper. If the big name players hadn't spent a TON of R&D designing and manufacturing integrated single chip RF solutions we would all still be stuck piecing together discrete systems. But we all get the trickle down... sometimes...
It is frustrating that the really good stuff like broadcom chips are just impossible to get unless you are a megacorp willing to commit to 1M pieces before starting engineering.
Any hardware containing the words 'enterprise', 'pro' or 'Apple'.
Actually it is not the stupid pricing that's the problem, it's the STUPID PAYING. People, just stop.
Any hardware containing the words 'enterprise', 'pro' or 'Apple'.
Actually it is not the stupid pricing that's the problem, it's the STUPID PAYING. People, just stop.
Enterprise gear is usually priced based on specs, features etc... Enterprise networking gear comes to mind. Compare stuff like Cisco or Ubiquiti to consumer offerings and you'll soon realise that the extra cost is worth it.
Consumer networking equipment is all gimmick and no substance. Utter garbage (mostly).
I just bought a TP-Link VDSL2 modem/router/wireless AP for a mate to replace his failing one and it's pure junk. It actually forces you to download an app and sign up for an account just to configure it. No settings in the web GUI at all (although it actually has a HTTP server and web interface for stats). It literally took me an hour to set up because of that garbage. The app kept throwing me out and I'd have to factory reset and start all over again, for no reason at all. Shit like this seems to be a common theme, not just with TP-Link.
Mistress ... or even worst, mistresses.
Enterprise gear is usually priced based on specs, features etc... Enterprise networking gear comes to mind. Compare stuff like Cisco or Ubiquiti to consumer offerings and you'll soon realise that the extra cost is worth it.
Consumer networking equipment is all gimmick and no substance. Utter garbage (mostly).
I just bought a TP-Link VDSL2 modem/router/wireless AP for a mate to replace his failing one and it's pure junk. It actually forces you to download an app and sign up for an account just to configure it. No settings in the web GUI at all (although it actually has a HTTP server and web interface for stats). It literally took me an hour to set up because of that garbage. The app kept throwing me out and I'd have to factory reset and start all over again, for no reason at all. Shit like this seems to be a common theme, not just with TP-Link.
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I just bought a TP-Link VDSL2 modem/router/wireless AP for a mate to replace his failing one and it's pure junk. It actually forces you to download an app and sign up for an account just to configure it. No settings in the web GUI at all (although it actually has a HTTP server and web interface for stats). It literally took me an hour to set up because of that garbage. The app kept throwing me out and I'd have to factory reset and start all over again, for no reason at all. Shit like this seems to be a common theme, not just with TP-Link.