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#50 Reply
Posted by
Muxr
on 07 Jun, 2018 17:48
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#51 Reply
Posted by
sky2city
on 08 Jun, 2018 04:56
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Muxr,
I seached this CF 2 IDE adapter you recomended in local E-commerce, taobao.
The saler said it's same as the adapter you recomended.
I got the pic inside and compare to the CF 2 IDE adapter I used now, it may same, just connect pins from CF card to IDE inferdace directly. No IC inside, to hanle the data transfering. And I think so, the CF card have the same IDE inferface with HDD disk maybe.
Anyway, I would like to try it, since I have no idea to do for next step. : (
Hope something happen, and find the root cause.
Thanks.
Roger@2018/06/08
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#52 Reply
Posted by
CJay
on 08 Jun, 2018 06:29
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Will the ZVR boot from a DOS floppy so you can see if the CF card is recognised (have you even got the means to make a DOS boot floppy)?
I've a feeling the problem might be the BIOS not liking the CF card itself, have you a different card (smaller perhaps) that you could put DOS files on to boot the ZVR from and prove it works
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#53 Reply
Posted by
sky2city
on 08 Jun, 2018 09:53
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Hi Cjay,
Thanks for your reminder.
I have two plan for finding out the root cause:
Plan A)
As you adviced, I have bought a folppy 2 USB disk kits, which is same as Murx did, (refer to Reply #12 of this thead).
then I will make a DOS boot disk , to see if the CF card can be identified.
Plan B)
Several years ago, I had a ZVR with red panel, this is a older type, which is running in DOS system.
There are 2 partitions, one of the partition is intalled DOS and a win 32 sysytem, anther partition is install a instrument software.
I replaced a ZVR disk,with a Fujitsu HDD, 30G Bits capacity.
I remember that the ZVR can identified the new 30G Fujitsu HDD, but the second partition is lost.
As a work arround, I copied all the second partition files to C:\D_Disk, and added a command "Subst C:\D_Disk d:" to AUTOEXEC.bat,
that mean add a visual D disk running, it work fine!
Few days ago, I replaced HDD of new ZVR with blue Panel, with the DOS HDD disk in red paneal ZVR.
I found ZVR worked fine, and just one minor issue: the test data is a little strange, maybe caused by the wrong factory calibration data.
That means the fujitsu 30G HDD can be identified by both ZVRs, the one with red panel and another with blue panel.
I have bought Fujitsu HDD disk, just arrived today. I will try it again as I did before.
any good advice ?
I will update..... stay tuned.
Roger@2018/06/08.
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#54 Reply
Posted by
CJay
on 08 Jun, 2018 10:07
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Well if you can get it to boot from a DOS floppy and it recognises the CF card as a valid disk I would be tempted to try and connect the old hard disk and the CF card to clone in the ZVR with an old copy of Norton Ghost.
I found my CMU200 with the older front panel wouldn't recognise some 2.5" disks and I ended up with a 4GB CF card but it seems other members have had issues with larger CF cards too.
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#55 Reply
Posted by
sky2city
on 08 Jun, 2018 10:26
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Oh..... I have a CMU200 too.
But one question:
How can I connect the old hard disk and the CF card to clone in the ZVR ? There is only one IDE interface in ZVR.
should I install HDD with orignal system and my new CF card on a older computer? The start Norton Ghost?
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#56 Reply
Posted by
CJay
on 08 Jun, 2018 10:41
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If it's PC based then the IDE interface will almost definitely support two devices but you'll need a cable with an extra connector and might need to alter master/slave/cable select jumpers on the drive and CF adapter board.
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#57 Reply
Posted by
sky2city
on 08 Jun, 2018 11:31
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Oh....I see.
I did it ofen when I was still studied in Univercity.
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#58 Reply
Posted by
CJay
on 08 Jun, 2018 11:48
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#59 Reply
Posted by
sky2city
on 15 Jun, 2018 10:40
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Hi Guys,
I got the solution finally. Thanks all of you.
I will post it later on. Given that the CPU fan sounds terrible, I am worry about it a lot.
I can' t find any Fan to replace it since that is a really old one.
if I can not replace the fan, I may add lubricate oil to reduce the noise from cpu fan.
Roger@2018-06-15
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#60 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 12 Jun, 2019 11:02
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Hi sky2city,
Sorry to dig this up, but would you mind sharing your solution? I have a FSEB that is stuck booting.
Thank you,
Sbvr4
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#61 Reply
Posted by
OH2LIY
on 13 Jun, 2019 15:29
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Hi, last time I used RPi3+PATA2USB converter to make backup/replace my HDD (NT4). Earlier I have used Partition Magic, but it's pita to use nowdays. If it helps someone I can put my notes, what I did last time:
Ramppa
apt-get install ntfs-3g
BACKUP:
ntfsclone --save-image --output backup.img /dev/sdb
Backup the BootSector/MBR: Some guides show only taking the first 512 bytes (MBR), others show the first 63 blocks (MBR + Bootloader).
dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.mbr bs=512 count=1
dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.vbr bs=512 count=63 <--this takes all!
RESTORE:
dd if=sdb.vbr of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=63
ntfsclone --restore-image --overwrite /dev/sdb1 backup.img
cfdisk /dev/sdb <-- make disk buutable!
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root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.mbr bs=512 count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes copied, 0.0847422 s, 6.0 kB/s
root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.vbr bs=512 count=63
63+0 records in
63+0 records out
32256 bytes (32 kB, 32 KiB) copied, 0.103919 s, 310 kB/s
root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# ntfsclone --save-image --output backup.img /dev/sdb1
ntfsclone v2016.2.22AR.1 (libntfs-3g)
NTFS volume version: 3.1
Cluster size : 512 bytes
Current volume size: 2146765312 bytes (2147 MB)
Current device size: 2146765824 bytes (2147 MB)
Scanning volume ...
100.00 percent completed
root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# ntfsclone --restore-image --overwrite /dev/sdb1 backup.img
ntfsclone v2016.2.22AR.1 (libntfs-3g)
Ntfsclone image version: 10.1
Cluster size : 512 bytes
Image volume size : 2146765312 bytes (2147 MB)
Image device size : 2146765824 bytes
Space in use : 528 MB (24.6%)
Offset to image data : 56 (0x38) bytes
Restoring NTFS from image ...
100.00 percent completed
Syncing ...
root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# cfdisk /dev/sdb <- make it bootable
Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
>> /dev/sdb1 * 63 4192964 4192902 2G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
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#62 Reply
Posted by
sky2city
on 13 Jun, 2019 16:03
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Hi sky2city,
Sorry to dig this up, but would you mind sharing your solution? I have a FSEB that is stuck booting.
Thank you,
Sbvr4
My solution is :
1. use corrective TF CARD. SanDisk is tested to me.
2. use corrective TF to IDE adaptor. I recall the small card marked as AUAS is OK and cheap.
3. Use corrective software tools. those tools are tested by myself. A)Ubuntu ddrescue B) DD Ubuntu C) SelfImage-121(remember running in XP windows)
I attached the pic of sreccn shoot of commands that using ddrescue to backup/restore img.
Good luck.
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#63 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 19 Jun, 2019 15:06
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I have a FSEB with BIOS 3.3 that doesn't boot, 99% of the time. The hard drive was failing and I did everything stated above (CF update, RAM update), but despite multiple attempts with DD and DDrescue, it gets stuck at the same point and corrupts 4096 bits.
The odd thing is the SA will boot occasionally, usually immediately after the cpu has been removed to access the hard drive. It runs normally and passes all self-tests and calibration in these instances. Otherwise, it just hangs at "booting" with the bar spinning. This makes me think its a hardware issue more than software, but cant be sure.
Does anyone have a HDD image or firmware for BIOS v3.3? I believe v2.0 through v3.3 is compatible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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#64 Reply
Posted by
Muxr
on 19 Jun, 2019 18:16
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Here is my FSEA 30 image:
http://rev.muxr.org/fsae/fsae30.tar.gz [41Mb]
Even if the version doesn't match perhaps you can dig into and see which file is corrupted. Maybe the particular file hadn't changed between versions. Hope that helps.
ddrescue has a --retry setting you could try as well, and see if that helps.
You could also give SpinRite a try. I had success in the past recovering corrupted drives with it. It's a low level utility (written in assembly) that does some fancy low level stuff to try and recover corrupted data.
It's $90 though:
https://www.grc.com/cs/prepurch.htm
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#65 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 20 Jun, 2019 10:23
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Thank you Muxr,
I'll give that a shot tonight and report back.
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#66 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 01 Jul, 2019 03:04
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Unfortunately, it seems as though I have a hardware issue. I've used the .bin provided (thank you again Muxr) and the symptoms seem to be the same. It usually boots initially, after rewriting the hard drive, but gets stuck booting on attempts afterwards. I'm not sure where to go from here. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to troubleshoot to narrow down the possible cause? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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#67 Reply
Posted by
analogRF
on 13 Aug, 2019 18:56
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Does anybody know what the Service PASSWORD is for FSEA/FSEB?
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Does anybody know what the Service PASSWORD is for FSEA/FSEB?
Try SETUP -> SERVICE -> ENTER PASSWORD -> 894129 Hz.
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#69 Reply
Posted by
analogRF
on 14 Aug, 2019 14:42
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Does anybody know what the Service PASSWORD is for FSEA/FSEB?
Try SETUP -> SERVICE -> ENTER PASSWORD -> 894129 Hz.
yes, R&S tech support also told me that was the password
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#70 Reply
Posted by
analogRF
on 15 Aug, 2019 00:43
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I have a FSEB with BIOS 3.3 that doesn't boot, 99% of the time. The hard drive was failing and I did everything stated above (CF update, RAM update), but despite multiple attempts with DD and DDrescue, it gets stuck at the same point and corrupts 4096 bits.
The odd thing is the SA will boot occasionally, usually immediately after the cpu has been removed to access the hard drive. It runs normally and passes all self-tests and calibration in these instances. Otherwise, it just hangs at "booting" with the bar spinning. This makes me think its a hardware issue more than software, but cant be sure.
Does anyone have a HDD image or firmware for BIOS v3.3? I believe v2.0 through v3.3 is compatible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
read my posts here
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/wanted-rohde-schwarz-fsea-service-floppy-disk-andor-schematics/new/#newread the readme file in the second attachment that I posted. This is the service floppy for these analyzers and it was supposed
to be used for solving boot problems due to HDD corruption. That might help you
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#71 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 15 Aug, 2019 16:44
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analogRF that is really helpful. I'll give this a try once I can find a couple 3.5" floppies. Thank you very much!
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#72 Reply
Posted by
analogRF
on 15 Aug, 2019 17:59
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analogRF that is really helpful. I'll give this a try once I can find a couple 3.5" floppies. Thank you very much!
you're welcome
Give it a try and see if that helps to fix the boot issue and let us know
I have never used this service kit myself and I have not actually made those two floppies yet because my FSEA has more serious
hardware issues at the moment.
If you make those two service diskettes, could you please let me know if any of them contains the FSE_IO.EXE and GR_CHECK.EXE service routines?
These are used in troubleshooting these analyzers and I am hoping they will be on the diskette when it is unpacked.
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#73 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 15 Aug, 2019 18:34
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Will do analogRF. I'll let you know once I do.
Does anyone have the firmware update available for BIOS 3.XX? I'd like to give that a try if the repair disks don't do the trick.
Thank you,
sbvr4
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#74 Reply
Posted by
sbvr4
on 20 Jan, 2020 00:48
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Hi Muxr or anyone with knowledge regarding opt B15 computer function.
Where does the 50pin connector that comes off the processor daughter board plug in to? I ask because I wanted to add the "computer function" opt to my SA. I bought a processor board with the daughter and hard drive off of a FSIQ. I plugged the 50pin connector into X350 on the motherboard, but i get a blank display when powered on. I read that Windows NT requires an additional VGA card. Does anyone know if there is a VGA card present with this option?
Thank you,
Sean