And even though I don't care at all about the WiFi module, I'm interested in it for one reason: the TP-Link adapter model (TL-WN725N) that Siglent charges $70 for is available for $10 or less, and I'm curious if I could get the cheap one to work. I dunno if anybody has tried or not, I haven't looked yet.
Thanks,
Josh
Only if you plan to use 4 chanels at 100MHz BW signal. If using 2 channels the rigol has 500MSa/s which should be enough for a 100MHz signal, so still useful there but only using 2 channels. While the siglent using 2 channels you can get 1GSa/s, and using only one channel both 1GSa/s.
I went for the Rigol because was waaay cheaper to get for me, I would have to pay twice to get the Signlent, as shipping rates from stores where it was available to ship to me were way higher, like 3 times what I payed for the Rigol shipping. YMMV here, so with a closer price the fight is open. Then there are a few other differences, the bode plotting looks great, probably better with a dedicated signal generator than the optional one for the scope, but still not great as it has many limitations. The ability to add the logic analyzer later is a nice one too, for having a MSO as the time comes, and money and needs agreed on this, but is an expensive option to have a logic analyzer compared to many other out there, and going to the PC as usual as I do I can mix them there (analog and digital) for the time where it's needed)
JS
For my current needs, they're both overkill. The issue is that people keep giving me ideas of how I might use them, and some of them sound reasonable. For me, the difference in price will be about $140 between the two units, and I get free shipping.
In all honesty, being the tech/computer type that I am, it bothers me to pay for an old computer. From that perspective, and for an extra $140 I get a newer computer with 1M FFT, double the multi-channel sampling, built-in web server, 400VDC input, and the POTENTIAL for other crap I probably won't use. I probably won't ever use the logic input, but it's there. I dunno if I'd ever shell out any cash for their AWG addon, but the option is there.
And even though I don't care at all about the WiFi module, I'm interested in it for one reason: the TP-Link adapter model (TL-WN725N) that Siglent charges $70 for is available for $10 or less, and I'm curious if I could get the cheap one to work. I dunno if anybody has tried or not, I haven't looked yet.
Thanks,
Josh
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a truck of different probes for the scope as I work with audio (low noise, low level signals) and industrial (not so low nothing) plus current probes, etc. so I knew I better saved the bux for the other stuff as well.
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a truck of different probes for the scope as I work with audio (low noise, low level signals) and industrial (not so low nothing) plus current probes, etc. so I knew I better saved the bux for the other stuff as well.So you missed the X-E spec of full BW 500uV/div range and not some multiplication/magnification of 5mV/div ?
Use a 1x probe on sensitive circuits and you'll see why this matters to some.
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a truck of different probes for the scope as I work with audio (low noise, low level signals) and industrial (not so low nothing) plus current probes, etc. so I knew I better saved the bux for the other stuff as well.So you missed the X-E spec of full BW 500uV/div range and not some multiplication/magnification of 5mV/div ?
Use a 1x probe on sensitive circuits and you'll see why this matters to some.
I wish I have it, yes, I can't live without it, meh, would I pay $350 for that difference, hell no!
Audio circuits aren't as sensitive for 1M and a few pf load, so X1 probes are fine, even more in the low level signals where impedances are even lower than usual. Then, as all signals lives within reasonable rails and are low bandwidth building a low noise amplifier for those is a breeze. I haven't come across the need quite yet but I know I can, but I have options there.
There are many many differences between the two... Update rate, record mode/segmented memory, CAN/LIN decoders, are some I haven't seen in this thread.
Don't get me wrong, if I could have gotten it for a reasonable prize difference I'd probably had gone for the Siglent, but only then is a tight choice. Now, if the Rigol is already overkill for his needs justifying the extra $$ is hard, even if you have it always can go to a different corner of the lab, as soon as he gets the scope he will see the need for a signal generator, or something else. In my case, I do get a few jobs I need to bring into the lab and there's when it comes to use, when will I need the difference between one and the other I don't know, but at some point I will, I hope I will be able to justify some higher model by that point so I make a bigger jump.
JS
Good you can see the differences and know if they'll matter to you.
All visible in datasheets.
Yeah that was the killer for you.......all up price with freight.
Shame your local Siglent guys weren't a bit more competitive.
In all honesty, being the tech/computer type that I am, it bothers me to pay for an old computer.
From that perspective, and for an extra $140 I get a newer computer with 1M FFT, double the multi-channel sampling, built-in web server, 400VDC input, and the POTENTIAL for other crap I probably won't use. I probably won't ever use the logic input, but it's there. I dunno if I'd ever shell out any cash for their AWG addon, but the option is there.
I'm after a AWG and a LAB PSU now, and of course considering Siglent, if you know a distributor with reasonable international shipments let me know!
JS
I'm after a AWG and a LAB PSU now, and of course considering Siglent, if you know a distributor with reasonable international shipments let me know!
JSSeveral but it's very bad form to sell into another authorized distributors patch, period.
However there is a worldwide grey market, (parallel imports) and most of it stems from Hong Kong or China and many brands are affected. When a distributors patch is blatantly undermined by these sellers and the manufacturers make no effort to set robust guidelines or hard and fast rules it's no wonder equipment distributors set higher margins to remain profitable against overseas suppliers.
Good luck should you need warranty or specialized support from the Asian mum and dad backstreet shops, just good luck !
and a USB analyzer costs under $10 on eBay (or more than $10 if you want an even better one) - much cheaper than the hundreds of $$ a logic upgrade to an oscilloscope costs.
I'm after a AWG and a LAB PSU now, and of course considering Siglent, if you know a distributor with reasonable international shipments let me know!
JSSeveral but it's very bad form to sell into another authorized distributors patch, period.
Good luck should you need warranty or specialized support from the Asian mum and dad backstreet shops, just good luck !
In all honesty, being the tech/computer type that I am, it bothers me to pay for an old computer.
Test gear isn't really comparable to PCs in that regard.
It's 40% more expensive, maybe 40% better. If you really can't think of something else for $140 that would ACTUALLY make your life better (ie. today), then, whatever. It's your money.
(Bench power supply, Signal generator, Hakko soldering station, Brymen multimeter...)
USB "analyzer" (what analyzer) is not oscilloscope at all. How you analyze signal waveform with these kind of USB "analyzers".
MSO is just for look digital AND analog signal together with tight time synchronization
I get that perspective, but I don't think of it like "what else can I spend $140 on now." I think of it more along the "buy cheap, buy twice" proverb. Yes, the Rigol is $140 cheaper right now, and covers my needs right now, but will it end up costing me more next year when I realize I needed more out of the scope? Of course, I could be kidding myself to get a shinier toy. I am aware of that possibility.
Which one is isn't active anymore ?
As a car analogy: It's more like ticking the "leather" option box on a Ford Fiesta. It makes the car a nicer, yes, but ... your daily commute and weekly shop will be about the same in real terms.
That said: If you like leather seats and have the money then go ahead and tick it. The next step up (eg. Ford Focus) is a big step so you might as well get some options for your Fiesta.
Just realize you're not upgrading to a huge SUV (or Mercedes Benz, depending on taste) when you tick the "Siglent" box.
Okay. So here's the question then: what would you consider the proper next step up if I want something actually better? Keeping in mind that higher bandwidth means little to nothing for my use.
Okay. So here's the question then: what would you consider the proper next step up if I want something actually better? Keeping in mind that higher bandwidth means little to nothing for my use.
GW Instek MSO2000 series or the R&S RTB2000 series.
GW Instek MSO2000 series or the R&S RTB2000 series.R&S make really nice oscilloscopes.
GW Instek MSO2000 series or the R&S RTB2000 series. Personally I wouldn't buy any of Keysight's current oscilloscope offerings because the memory is too small. You'd think 4Mpts ought to be enough but that 4Mpts is shared so you are left with 500kpts with the digital channels on.
the FFT on the GW Instek is 1Mpts versus 128k.
I don't need a $2000 scope
Yes, the Rigol is $140 cheaper right now, and covers my needs right now... I could be kidding myself to get a shinier toy. I am aware of that possibility.
I don't need a $2000 scope
You don't need the Siglent, either.Yes, the Rigol is $140 cheaper right now, and covers my needs right now... I could be kidding myself to get a shinier toy. I am aware of that possibility.