Hi Kaz911,
Not quite - You have a couple of options. The licenses all have two letters.
FIRST LETTER- This dictates how much flexibility you want in moving the license around
- If you want it to just stay on one Machine, choose F ( Fixed )
- If you want it to move around different PCs, Choose T ( Transportable )
- If you want to host it on a server so multiple people have non-simultaneous access, choose N ( Network )
In terms of Price it is , F < T < N
SECONDLETTER - choose how long you'd like to use the license
- If forever, then choose a P ( Perpetual ). This includes 1 year of updates. After one year, you can continue to use your license but you need to pay a renewal fee to get updates for another year. The license types and pricing ( which will be very nominal ) for this renewal fee isn't yet available on the web but will be in the coming months.
- If you only need it for one year, choose Y ( Year ). This is generally 1/3rd the price of the perpetual. After 1 year, you can repurchase the license again and receive the updates for another year.
Your options therefore are
FP,TP,NP and FY,TY,NY
I know this is confusing right now, but we will we updating our webpages to make this very clear and provide upfront pricing for each on of these so its easy to pick and choose. Generally speaking they run from about <$100 to ~$300
Any plans for a Linux version? Only some ladies from administration are using windows. All engineers are using Linux here...
I think BV will be hard to move to an independent platform. BV is so tied into .NET that even I'm surprised... But I would more call it .NET abuse than .NET usage... If it was use - it would follow Windows standards - it absolutely does not follow any common GUI standards.
But yes BV2017 seems like an even bigger disappointment. So far only about 30-35 real products supported (and deviations thereof) - so it is rather limited.
Not only that - support for each instrument is very limited to basic functions. Very few hardware options are usable. Like on my N6700 with power modules - BV can't use any of the fast acquisition modes which makes the high speed data logging functions in the 6700 - well unusable... So while it does support the N6700 power modules - it only supports a subset of the features - and a really small subset. Same goes for the Scope app etc. - basic functions supported to some degree. Anything above that - no support.
I think it is about 60-70% of times I want to log something - I find out that BV does not do that and ends up being faster to do in Python or Excel with command expert. And it is faster to do in Excel as BV is so sluggish and bloated due to the architecture chosen.
So saying BV supports 100's of instruments is marketing speak. It has very limited support for 100's (actually 34-36 product lines) of Product codes usually with only most basic integration with a few exceptions. And where it would be great for things like Keysights USB based products Meters/Scopes/SMU's - there is ZERO support. There you are still tied up with app's with latest release in 2013.
It is a very random product. And I'm sorry to sound so harsh - but really it has very little value for me - and I do a lot of long time data logging (days/weeks/months) - some at ultra high speed some very slow. But I have a hard time finding a use for BV.
I actually prefer the display on my 34465A when logging compared to the display on the BV. And once BV runs you have limited visualisation on the 34465A - that is for once not BV's fault but due to the implementation of remote logging.
Is the new BenchVue just as cancerous as the last? Does it install 10-11 different folders under Program Files? Does it add itself to startup? Does it still have several processes running 24/7 using RAM? Does it still put a tray icon in my taskbar that's there even if the app is not running? Is the uninstaller still useless, leaving most files and registry keys behind?
I guess nobody cares because it's always installed on someone else's computer?
Do we need a license for the BenchVue itself or just the individual apps?
Am I correct in thinking that the 2017 version requires a £200 license for the Oscilloscope Control module and another £200 license for the DMM module, but these were both free (at least with basic functionality) in the 2016 version?Yes, applications in BenchVue 2017 require a paid license. However, with each license you now get full access to Test Flow for your app to allow easy measurement automation without programming. This application previously was only available as a subscription license for $300/year.Thanks, but that's unfortunately not a feature I'm interested in, so looks poor value for me, particularly given the subscription model.
But if you want updates you still have to pay 30% - same price as for those who "lease".
Question - if I have perceptual can I then upgrade when I want - so wait 3 years and then buy another 1 year upgrade?
Before I would not even consider paying $300 for Flow renewal so I think in any case I'm out. And btw - 30% is not a "nominal" fee for renewal. Please look up the definition of Nominal... In my book Nominal would range in this case from 1-10%. Calling 30% nominal is an abuse of the word
Ok that was how I thought it was. So you can buy a perceptual license for X and keep the usage right or you can lease it for 1/3 of the price.
But if you want updates you still have to pay 30% - same price as for those who "lease".
Question - if I have perceptual can I then upgrade when I want - so wait 3 years and then buy another 1 year upgrade?
Comment: It seems slightly unfair to pay the same for updates (30%) - as the ones leasing the software for the same price as I would pay for updates. And to be honest - paying 30% for updates is very much on the high scales - that would require Keysight to seriously speed up development for me to consider that an option. Before I would not even consider paying $300 for Flow renewal so I think in any case I'm out.
And btw - 30% is not a "nominal" fee for renewal. Please look up the definition of Nominal... In my book Nominal would range in this case from 1-10%. Calling 30% nominal is an abuse of the word
Hi Kaz911But if you want updates you still have to pay 30% - same price as for those who "lease".Not quite- if you "lease", then you just buy the 1-year lease again to use it. If you buy the perpetual, you don't pay 30% for updates. We are working out final details here but it won't be same as the 30% lease charge.QuoteQuestion - if I have perceptual can I then upgrade when I want - so wait 3 years and then buy another 1 year upgrade?You can wait to renew your license after 3 years, but renewal price will be slightly more than the standard renewal price. Sorry I don't have definite numbers for you, as this will go into effect 1 year from now and we're finalizing it.QuoteBefore I would not even consider paying $300 for Flow renewal so I think in any case I'm out. And btw - 30% is not a "nominal" fee for renewal. Please look up the definition of Nominal... In my book Nominal would range in this case from 1-10%. Calling 30% nominal is an abuse of the wordTest Flow doesn't need to be renewed at $300/year - that was the old model. With the 2017 licenses, Test Flow is included with it and there is no extra purchase or renewal fee.Ok that was how I thought it was. So you can buy a perceptual license for X and keep the usage right or you can lease it for 1/3 of the price.
But if you want updates you still have to pay 30% - same price as for those who "lease".
Question - if I have perceptual can I then upgrade when I want - so wait 3 years and then buy another 1 year upgrade?
Comment: It seems slightly unfair to pay the same for updates (30%) - as the ones leasing the software for the same price as I would pay for updates. And to be honest - paying 30% for updates is very much on the high scales - that would require Keysight to seriously speed up development for me to consider that an option. Before I would not even consider paying $300 for Flow renewal so I think in any case I'm out.
And btw - 30% is not a "nominal" fee for renewal. Please look up the definition of Nominal... In my book Nominal would range in this case from 1-10%. Calling 30% nominal is an abuse of the word
Hi Sparky,
Yes that is correct. After 1 year, the license will continue to work but app won't be updated with the latest enhancements. A nominal yearly renewal/subscription/upgrade fee is needed to get updates for another year. We're currently working on providing literature that describes the update process that will take effect in April 2018.
Sid@Keysight BenchVue Team: I'm finding it hard to find details of the new licensing scheme also. Overall, I'm a bit concerned.
I bought a paid license for the BenchVue DMM application, which provided a 2 seat (movable) license and no mention of expiring upgrades to the DMM app. In effect (to my knowledge) it was a one-time purchase on my part with (presumably) unlimited update of the BenchVue DMM app (at least while that application existed). It seems the new BenchVue 2017 DMM app provides a 1 seat license with 1 year of "unlimited" updates...end of story.
So what happens after that 1 yr of updates? I didn't find details about a subscription or having to renew each year, etc., but it appears something like that is the case. Please clarify or provide a link to website with all the necessary details. Thanks!
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Hi Sid.BenchVueTeam,
This is not personal!
BenchVue is no software to be proud of!
I use is know for more than two years and it's annoying.
This is about the logging with te HP 34461A.
Look at this picture, i'am measuring my lab 10V reference and zeroed the DMM, it is easy to make the middle of the screen "0" and to adjust the span so that its easy to readout the value.
Look +-5uV and not the BenchVue garbage like 5,1e-6...
Can you clarify how our existing licenses are upgraded to BenchVue 2017?
Hi Sid,
Are you still there
Hi Sid,
/Complane mode
Don't get me started...
Several time i have made remarks about the HP3458A DMM, its not included in the DMM software!
And most time's i get this as responce: It actually IS different than other DMMs. It’s a beast to program
And my repley is then: Do you now understand why the HP 3458A should be supported!
That's why you need real coders! get all the 3458A possebility's in the BenchVue software, please don't start telling us it is difficult, that your job(Keysight) to code it well!
If i look at BenchVue, (sorry) i do not see the quality HP stood for all these years...
The pictures of the interface errors, i told KeySight more than 2 years ago also.
I find it unbelievable that such errors are still present in the software.
Sid think with me, how do you think i feel about the BenchVue software?
Do I have point out KeySight these simple software errors, this is realy silly?
Who the hell is in charge of this program, if i whas CEO, I would have dismissed many managers.
My opinion is that, the coders/managers have no idea of what engeneers wants to see in BenchVue.
And don't get me started about the licensing, i had a unlimited licence and now it is 1 year...
O yes, i heart someware that KeySyght want to become a software company, maybe BenchVue is the start of it all...
Brrrr
Yes i'am a happy custumer!
friendly mode/
Kind regards,
Bram
Can I point you at:
Justin Talbot, Sharon Lin, and Pat Hanrahan An Extension of Wilkinson’s Algorithm for Positioning Tick Labels on Axes, 2010. URL http://graphics.stanford.edu/vis/publications/2010/labeling-preprint.pdf
Worth a read!
Hi Sid,
If i read your remarks aboud the HP3458A my feeling tell me it is not gonna happen
About the user interface, i hoop to see it fixt next week
And then this, maybe its helps to get some perspective, for my Rigol scoop i installed today Rigols Ultra Scoop, what a peace of sh..
The lagging of the interface... totaly unusable.
If you install it, it ask you to switch of a important Windows Service, are they out of the Vulcan minds at Rigol...
Looking at BenchVue then, its not so bad
Kind regards,
Bram