Pick and Place Machine TVM802A / TVM802B

[ar__systems]

if you did not close the application the 'done' ticks remain in place. So if start again it will ask you if you want to continue or start over. If you did close it, you can manually set previously populated components as 'done'

[mikeselectricstuff]

if you did not close the application the 'done' ticks remain in place. So if start again it will ask you if you want to continue or start over. If you did close it, you can manually set previously populated components as 'done'

WTF? so if it crashes or there's a power failure, you lose the job state? - typical poor Chinese software design.

And of course it should be more than just a case of where it got to in the job, as on errors it ought to carry on and do whatever else it can before stopping, so you can fix all the issues in one visit, but that's a whole other issue....
 

[uncle_bob]

Hi

We run a *lot* of shop floor PC's on UPS's simply to take care of the power failure issue. Loosing state / data when the lights go out is not just a Chinese issue...

Bob

[harry4516]

thanks ar__systems.

The reason was home made. The 1uF reel got empty during the job, I did not have a new one, so I changed the program to use the 2,2uF reel which also works in my circuit.
When this modification was done, I did not know how to start from the last position.

Marking already populated components as 'done' works fine, but there is another problem now.
When I restart the software then the sort order of the components is different, no idea how the software sorts it.
This makes it difficult to find all the already populated components.

[uncle_bob]

Hi

Here's a *very* basic question that I seem to have found multiple answers to ....

As best I understand it, all the 802's share a similar base structure. Reels hang off to various sides of the A or the B. The dimension *including* the reels appears to be 900 to 980 mm. That may or may not include this or that size reel. Hopefully that's correct so far.

How big is the footprint of the machine it's self? My guess is 600 x 600 but that's only a guess.

Does anything outside that footprint need to be supported? Again only a guess, the reel holders simply hang off the base.

If the 980 is correct, does that include any room for a component reel? If so how big a reel?

I'm looking at bench space and the whole "where do I put this beast" part of the process.

Thanks!

Bob

Hi

It's Bob the second request guy

Does anybody have some size info? I'm about two days out from placing an order and really need to get all the T's crossed.

Thanks!

Bob

[harry4516]

Bob,

the footprint is 580mm wide and 640mm deep.
You need a minimum space of 1000x1000mm including the reels (TVM802B, I don't know about the A).

My table is 2000mm wide which is fine for the TVM802 and the monitor/keyboard,
and 800mm deep but the distance to the wall is 200mm so I get the 1000mm needed by the machine including reels.

For the B you need some more space behind the machine. Beding forward to install the back reels is a real pain for the back.

Harry

[uncle_bob]

Bob,

the footprint is 580mm wide and 640mm deep.
You need a minimum space of 1000x1000mm including the reels (TVM802B, I don't know about the A).

My table is 2000mm wide which is fine for the TVM802 and the monitor/keyboard,
and 800mm deep but the distance to the wall is 200mm so I get the 1000mm needed by the machine including reels.

Harry

Hi

Ok, that's exactly what I needed. If I can space a bench off the wall, it all works fine for me.

Thanks!

Bob

[xygax]

Guys:
My software variant for my 802A is V1.22... ! does anyone have a later variant they can share with me please
Thx
Steve

[dermeister]

I have decompiled v2.12 of the original control software and made a Visual Studio project for it. The code is quite understandable with some tinkering. If anyone here is interested, PM me your github bitbucket username and I'll invite you to the repository.

[uncle_bob]

Hi

Well, the order for the 802D is making it's way through the every mysterious bowels of Alibaba. We'll see how it all works out....Thanks to everybody for helping out with the decision.

Fingers Crossed !!!

Bob

[xygax]

Bob..
What's the difference with the 'D' variant

Thanks
Steve

[uncle_bob]

Bob..
What's the difference with the 'D' variant

Thanks
Steve

Hi

That was what had me all tied up in knots a few weeks ago

If you buy from one source you pick between the C and the D. From the other main source, you pick an A or a B. The machines are identical (C = A and B = D). It's just some strange form of marketing they are doing.

Bob

[xygax]

Ok that makes sense now... I have an 'A' variant that's almost a 'B' variant (I have added the extra feeders already ) I am just waiting on the Juki nozzle adaptors to arrive for the head motors. I have to say its nearly paid for itself in less than 12 months!


Thx
Steve

[uncle_bob]

Ok that makes sense now... I have an 'A' variant that's almost a 'B' variant (I have added the extra feeders already ) I am just waiting on the Juki nozzle adaptors to arrive for the head motors. I have to say its nearly paid for itself in less than 12 months!


Thx
Steve

Hi

My conclusion was that if I got an A, I could easily spend the next year turning it into a B. Simpler / easier / (maybe) cheaper to just get the B up front. In the end, I could see only two disadvantages to the B. One obvious issue is the cost, the other was the footprint. I hope it will fit where I'm putting it. The money now vs money later is a "who knows" sort of thing. After *many* months of back and forth (clearly chronicled in this thread) , it was time to finally make a "put up or shut up" decision.

Bob

[ttsthermaltech]

Should have my TVM920 delivered in the next day or two. Will post info / pics as I get it uncrated / setup / test runs complete.

Looking forward to getting a good review posted about this machine.

[thommo]

Exciting news @tts!

If anyone else out there has also purchased a TVM920 it would be great to to hear your story. Like I've said previously, I intend buying this same machine - shortly.

Should have my TVM920 delivered in the next day or two. Will post info / pics as I get it uncrated / setup / test runs complete.

Looking forward to getting a good review posted about this machine.

[ar__systems]

All the known issues not withstanding, I actually don't like the layout of the B. A is way more sensible. The up camera is at the front where you are more likely to have the trays, and that space is kind of useless anyway since down camera can't reach it.

But on B the up camera is in the prime location for feeders. I also hate the location of the back feeders on B. I'm going to mill a new waste tape slot on the east site and get rid of the back feeders.

[harry4516]

I have decompiled v2.12 of the original control software and made a Visual Studio project for it. The code is quite understandable with some tinkering. If anyone here is interested, PM me your github bitbucket username and I'll invite you to the repository.

very well done, thank you !
Now it is possible to add a backup function.
It shows all TCP commands and its easy to see how they are working.

[mrpackethead]

Lets hope the owner of this fine machine, gives us some more info. I'm told its extremely good.

[uncle_bob]

Hi

If that machine is in the same price range as a TVM802A or B, it's a winner. Looking at the feeders, and based on earlier comments, I'd bet it is a bit more expensive.

Bob

[mrpackethead]

i believe its about $6000 without feeders.

[cgroen]

Forgive my ignorance, but what machine is that exactly ? (could not find any reference in the video etc)

[mrpackethead]

Forgive my ignorance, but what machine is that exactly ? (could not find any reference in the video etc)

its the 802/802B's big brother

http://www.qihekj.com/en/product/html/?45.html

[thommo]

TVM920 - new thread

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/pick-place-machinetvm920/

[cgroen]

Thanks to both of you