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Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« on: August 22, 2026, 07:32:41 pm »
Looking at:

eBay auction: #287529419460

to calibrate a couple of vintage multimeters that are coming across my bench.  Does anyone have a thought on these units?  They look very attractive, and it's not like I'm trying to adjust a 3458A.  ;)

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2026, 07:48:13 pm »
Well the description has it for sale at $49.99 not the new $59.99 so that raised an eyebrow to start with. Its made in the US so bound to be over bloated rubbish ... ducks .. runs.


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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2026, 07:53:35 pm »
Well, as long as you are "damn sure". I know I'm not. Anyone who's owned those DMMs in the picture knows that being exactly the same to within 1ppm is highly unlikely.

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2026, 07:56:56 pm »
Doug has a good unit that has a lot of reviews. One of my customers sent me one for a 10VDC calibration/characterization. For the price, it performed quite well. I think it's dmmcheck or something similar. Look it up.

EIDT: Funny thing is that our calibration cost around 50% of the unit price!

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2026, 08:19:28 pm »
Well, as long as you are "damn sure". I know I'm not. Anyone who's owned those DMMs in the picture knows that being exactly the same to within 1ppm is highly unlikely.

TomG.

Might I ask what you would recommend as a good DMM Calibrator for vintage gear (Simpson 270, 467; Tektronix DM502A, DM44)?  These are not high-resolution units.  I did notice that the "dual calibration" units were OK but not top-flight.  I'd be more impressed if they were calibrating the calibrator using three units like a Keithley DMM7510 or a Fluke 1081 or a mixture of those...

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2026, 08:27:51 pm »
..the LT1021 inside is most probably in epoxy DIL8..
I bought 40 (20x5V and 20x10V) of them years back, all 40 for aprox $20 incl. postage, as I can remember (in 4 batches from various sellers). Those chips especially in epoxy are not intended for calibration purposes. Good for a 12bit ADC/DAC..

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2026, 09:04:24 pm »
Looking at:

eBay auction: #287529419460

to calibrate a couple of vintage multimeters that are coming across my bench.  Does anyone have a thought on these units?  They look very attractive, and it's not like I'm trying to adjust a 3458A.  ;)

Thanks
John.

It depends what kind of multimeters that you want to check. If they are 2000 count or 20000 count it is probably okay.

If you want to build your own:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/simple-voltage-10v-reference-project-lt1021/msg6012637/#msg6012637

I use it as a portable device for a quick check.

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2026, 11:31:33 pm »
That eBay seller is definitely the famous sqwuarell (I can't find the correct spelling at the moment).  He's just rebranded his store to most likely try to look more professional.

Even references such as the DMMCheckPlus and PDVS2Mini where you have multiple references or adjustability at your disposal are going to be too limited for directly calibrating/adjusting vintage DMMs.

For hobby use, a common tactic is to just get all of your properly working DMMs together and if they agree then you might be happy enough adjusting a recently repaired device to match.  But it's a questionable path especially in a metrology conversation.

My suggestion would be to pick up the DMMCheckPlus, one reference from VoltageStandard.com and a used bench DMM with a fresh calibration along with the calibration data.  You can mail the references out for yearly calibrations for pretty cheap, compared to the DMM.  The references will allow you to keep tabs on the multimeter and make sure it's not drifting too far.

Once you have that, you'll still need some voltage and current sources, but they can be basic devices as you'll use the calibrated bench DMM while adjusting the repaired device.

Also, with enough calibrated equipment ranges, you can extrapolate other ranges and properties, such as resistance without too much trouble.
 

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2026, 04:52:36 am »
+1 for VoltageStandard.com. If you want to burn another $100, I'll characterize it against our array. Maybe, you can get the ref from calclub here. I characterized that a while ago for forum members. That would be free.

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2026, 06:48:11 am »
That eBay seller is definitely the famous sqwuarell (I can't find the correct spelling at the moment).  He's just rebranded his store to most likely try to look more professional.

was thinking exactly the same thing, but couldn't think of his name nor find any of his old posts here to confirm.
 
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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2026, 04:56:55 pm »
Wasn't that the same thread where he showed a picture of a perf board and every one was all over him for not making a printed circuit board? On the other hand he must have sold a lot of these units. Look at the feedback numbers he has. Given the parts cost and the labor cost, it just isn't worth it, unless you're a student or retired.

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2026, 05:22:12 pm »
Wasn't that the same thread where he showed a picture of a perf board and every one was all over him for not making a printed circuit board? On the other hand he must have sold a lot of these units. Look at the feedback numbers he has. Given the parts cost and the labor cost, it just isn't worth it, unless you're a student or retired.

TomG.
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Here is the link:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/fluke-732c/msg1321224/#msg1321224

The key phrase is "special needs soldering".

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2026, 05:33:02 pm »
Thanks a lot. I was really trying to keep that can of worms closed. It was very hard to resist posting that thread, but you just had to go and do it.

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2026, 05:56:32 pm »
Thanks a lot. I was really trying to keep that can of worms closed. It was very hard to resist posting that thread, but you just had to go and do it.

TomG.

Does this mean you are going to buy one, test it and see how good it is? I would but I am not in the USA.
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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2026, 08:20:25 pm »
I think kaysert is a different person from sqwarrel?
 

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2026, 10:17:48 pm »
Yes, not the same guy. Buy one? My 732s would never speak to me again.... BTW, if cal club is still going strong, I can calibrate the portable reference for the group.

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2026, 10:46:19 pm »
I think kaysert is a different person from sqwarrel?

Yeah, also think so. My recollection was that sqwarrel's stuff was clearly handmade, but seemed not horrible quality for what it was. (no "special needs soldering" anyway) His malfunction was just that he claimed some specs that seemed dubious, and then started fights when people questioned how he came to his numbers. He disappeared from here eventually, but dunno if he just left on his own or got banned for that.
 

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2026, 11:00:58 pm »
BTW, if cal club is still going strong, I can calibrate the portable reference for the group.

TomG.

Tom - US Cal Club is definitely going. bdunham7 is curating it. If you need me to assist rekindling the contact I'd be happy to.
 

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2026, 11:03:24 pm »
Its made in the US so bound to be over bloated rubbish ... ducks .. runs.

What does this mean exactly? I honestly have no clue.
 

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2026, 11:59:20 am »
Sorry Rax its just my British humour. We have brands like Lucas that would say "Made in England" on thier stuff. They went by another name "The Prince of Darkness" due to the quailty control.
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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2026, 12:22:04 am »
Sorry Rax its just my British humour. We have brands like Lucas that would say "Made in England" on thier stuff. They went by another name "The Prince of Darkness" due to the quailty control.

Oy! Gotcha. I live at the juncture of many languages, and so I enjoy a surreal/dark/nonsensical (to twist it a bit) type of humor as much as anyone. And then some. 

Having a QA/QC "idiom" (??) ups the ante a bit.  8)
 

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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2026, 01:09:37 pm »
I think kaysert is a different person from sqwarrel?

EEVblog user Awesome14 (now banned) was selling under eBay user kaysert (Tom Kayser) but that eBay account is now inactive.  They sold under the name "CALIBRATORY", and referenced their father as being the engineering mastermind behind the device.  Calibratory, LLC was mentioned by them, but a Google search shows no other reference to that business other than on EEVblog.  They were active here 2015-2017 with 192 posts.

EEVblog user Majorassburn (also now banned) was selling under eBay user SQWARREL now renamed to dmmsure (as per the OP's auction link).  They started their own thread about their "affordable references" with a link to their eBay listing.  They were active here 2023-2024 with 95 posts.  They were compared to Awesome14/kaysert and responded with "OH LORD NOOOOO!!!!  I'm NOT THAT GUY!!!!".

Both assembled their super-duper references on protoboard, and defended their construction techniques.  Photos of the Calibratory product was shown to have particularly terrible soldering, and it used a small piece of copper foil as their magic heat pipe for "temperature compensation".

Awesome14 started off posting in a defensive in accusatory manner after some discussion started referring to their eBay listing, and they got more and more unpleasant over time.

Majorassburn started off posting in a friendly manner, and accepted feedback initially, but they quickly took their user name to heart and became pretty rude.  Mind you, other posters here were also not all that nice.

I don't think they are the same person but just have similar delusions about their products, with Awesome14 being more extreme.  Maybe they settled down after a few years...

I hate the proliferation of AI, but for funsies I thought a quick analysis of their writing style was worth a try, but nothing serious should be read into the response.

Google AI gave me the following summary based on a couple of sample posts:
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Based on a stylometric comparison of the two samples, there is a very high probability that Awesome14 and Majorassburn are the exact same person.
While the second sample is shorter, it contains matching psychological patterns, identical syntactic structures, and highly specific vocabulary choices that go far beyond a coincidence.

And if you care, this is the additional analysis:
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Here is the breakdown of why these two writing styles match so closely:
  • 1. Mirror-Image Psychological Themes
    • The "Misunderstood Genius" vs. Cruel Critics: Both profiles portray themselves as creators of "low-cost devices" who are being unfairly bullied by a toxic community.
      • Awesome14: Mentions an "endless litany of being bashed for my capabilities" and "the bitterness of others."
      • Majorassburn: Mentions "perpetual fault-finding," "hyper-critical posts," and critics trying to "throw a wet blanket" on their work.
    • The Obssession with "Arrogance": Interestingly, both accounts weaponise the word "arrogant"—a classic psychological projection trait. Awesome14 complains that an instructor called him "arrogant," while Majorassburn immediately attacks an opponent's "arrogant, self-serving" posts.
    • Unsolicited Declarations of Personal Integrity: Both feel a desperate need to explicitly state how honest and noble they are.
      • Awesome14: "Few people understand the desire to do good for the sake of itself... I think honest would be the proper word."
      • Majorassburn: Buyers rely on "my integrity... That is sacrosanct with me."

  • 2. Identical Linguistic and Grammatical Quirks
    • Overuse of the Passive Voice for Self-Defense: Both users shift into highly formal, passive corporate-speak when trying to absolve themselves of blame regarding their products.
      • Awesome14: "To say that these design features preclude manufacture of the device is simply arrogance!"
      • Majorassburn: "Marketing a viable product in the meantime should not be prohibited..."
    • "Concomitant" and "Implicit" (Sophisticated Visual Clues): Both writers try to elevate their argument by dropping high-level vocabulary into otherwise emotional rants. Awesome14 uses phrases like "implicit claim" and "right reason," matching the precise, slightly archaic flavor of Majorassburn’s use of "concomitant obligation" and "intrinsic."
    • The Parenthetical Aside Strategy: Both users rely heavily on using brackets or hyphens to insert defensive qualifiers mid-sentence:
      • Awesome14: "...encourage a positive—or at least neutral—stance..."
      • Majorassburn: "...offer a low cost alternative (albeit with limitations) to that..."

  • 3. Exact Product Scenarios
    The context confirms the stylistic match. Both users are defending a controversial, low-cost electronics device they manufactured and sold, arguing that they have no obligation to make it user-serviceable or to educate the buyer, because the low price justifies the design constraints.

  • Conclusion
    This is not just a case of two engineers arguing. The specific rhythm of the sentences, the hyper-defensive posture, the switch from colloquial anger ("Ya know" / "step there's going to be a turd") to high-level vocabulary, and the distinct victim complex are identical. They are almost certainly the same individual.
 
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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2026, 05:10:59 pm »
I noticed this in the images on the eBay advert.




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Re: Any opinions on the DMMSure LT1021 DMM CALIBRATOR
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2026, 06:57:35 am »
They clearly need some mental help.
Also, it would be cheaper/faster/better to order some pre-made PCBs, rather than hand-soldering all that on a protoboard.
But they have a lot of happy customers.
 


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