Thunderf00t has lost last of his marbles and remaining bits of credibility

[Simmed]

not bad
nearly 300k views for 1 day exposure
most of his anti musk vids are in the 300k range

but i think "professor dave explains" (screen name, but not a phd) smashes his record

his latest anti Sabine Hossenfelder (phd) video clocked in at 477k
he also targetted Bret (phd biology) and Eric (phd math) weinstein with a video clocking 1.22m
but strangely, most of his videos are in the 50k range
except a few weird ones

he claims these 3 fellas are a disgrace to academia
is it because they are talking about the problems of academia openly? huh what ?
but he himself is an ex-science teacher of some sort (Msc in science education)
which is very strange, very messy.

[EEVblog]

not bad
nearly 300k views for 1 day exposure
most of his anti musk vids are in the 300k range

but i think "professor dave explains" (lets call it PDE) smashes his record

his latest anti Sabine Hossenfelder (phd) video clocked in at 477k
he also targetted Bret (phd biology) and Eric (phd math) weinstein with a video clocking 1.22m
but strangely, most of his videos are in the 50k range
except a few weird ones

he claims these 3 fellas are a disgrace to academia
is it because they are talking about the problems of academia openly? huh what ?
but he himself is an ex-science teacher of some sort (Msc in science education)
which is very strange, very messy.

I had never heard of this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorDaveExplains

[Simmed]

not bad
nearly 300k views for 1 day exposure
most of his anti musk vids are in the 300k range

but i think "professor dave explains" (lets call it PDE) smashes his record

his latest anti Sabine Hossenfelder (phd) video clocked in at 477k
he also targetted Bret (phd biology) and Eric (phd math) weinstein with a video clocking 1.22m
but strangely, most of his videos are in the 50k range
except a few weird ones

he claims these 3 fellas are a disgrace to academia
is it because they are talking about the problems of academia openly? huh what ?
but he himself is an ex-science teacher of some sort (Msc in science education)
which is very strange, very messy.

Huh? You mean this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorDaveExplains

yea you can look at the video list
for some reason it popped up on YT side panel for me
and then i scrolled and was surprised to see he went full ape on a few phds 

i read a reply from sabine in the YT comments but it was then deleted, then someone else copied reposted it. and now i could not find it either. so, i am guessing, mr farina deleted it. 

[AVGresponding]

I suspect much of the reason for TF posting so many Musk vids is a misguided attempt to silence the Musk simps who dogpile him. Those poor misguided souls will likely continue to espouse the greatness of their hero, regardless of how far he falls, or how distasteful his behaviour becomes.

[EEVblog]

yea you can look at the video list
for some reason it popped up on YT side panel for me
and then i scrolled and was surprised to see he went full ape on a few phds 

Strange. 3.7M subs but his educational videos (most of his content) barely averages 10k views a video.
But sure enough, his reaction type ones to other controversial stuff I giess gets hundreds of thousands of views, almost half a million.
He's got to notice that, in whcih case it will be interesting to see if he produces more of that content.

As mentioned, in the case of TF though, I didn't see any clear metrics in the early Elon video view numbers that would have indicated to him that's what he should focus on, it's seems to just be natural interest.

[Refrigerator]

New video. For those keeping count, that's 15 Elon videos in a row now.

That's 16 now and counting.

I'm 8 minutes into the most recent video, but i don't feel like watching it through.
The video is a compilation of video clips Elon making a claim and not delivering it or delivering it but not as promised, they just repeat like that: Elon promised - did not deliver - promised - did not deliver and so on throughout the video.
And the points are something like this: "Elon promised that DOGE would save trillions, but only saved billions! How terrible!"

[MK14]

That doesn't seem to be his latest video, the following one, less than one day old, seems to be though:



I've NOT watched it.  Thunderf00t just seems to 'attack' people, they are obsessively against, which I'm relatively fed up with.  So, I may or may not watch it later.

EDIT: I've watched the first 11 minutes or so.
It is probably WORSE than I was expecting.
It is just Thunderf00t, going on and on and on .....
about how terrible he thinks Elon Musk is.

[cunningfellow]

I am also unimportant.

BUT - who told you to think this

This is Musk, this is Trump.

I don't love Trump.  I don't think he is the right person to be "leader of the free world".

However I don't think he has ill intentions.  I think he wants too and is trying to make America better and if/when he fails it is not because he wanted to destroy anything.

I personally have a bit of a litmus test.  I ask people if they believe if Trump is an irredeemable is racist.  If they reply "yes why would you even need to ask that" then I know I can ignore all of their opinions as they are the kind of person that believes what they are told.

[EEVblog]

The video is a compilation of video clips Elon making a claim and not delivering it or delivering it but not as promised, they just repeat like that: Elon promised - did not deliver - promised - did not deliver and so on throughout the video.

I haven't watched it, but that could be said of every tech CEO ever. Cue Steve Jobs and the LISA or the Macintosh as early notable examples.
It's actually kind of their job to promise the world and then attempt to deliver something, eventually, even if it's not even close to what they promised.
Like it or not, this is the way the industry is, you aren't going to become a tech CEO if you try and sell an ordinary sausage on a plain white roll, you have to sell the sizzle.

[AVGresponding]

Give me facts, not opinions.

Show me where thunderfoot is factually incorrect; let's ignore the ranting and get to the meat of the matter. Can you prove that he is wrong, and that any of Musk's claims or predictions are/were correct?

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave, as you thoroughly busted the hyperloop nonsense yourself, and surely have some knowledge of the solar roof fiasco (sorry icr if you did any vids on that), yet seem to think Musk is somehow infallible in other things.


For context, I don't believe Trump or Musk are evil; I don't believe in such labels. People are people, and they do good things and evil things, it doesn't mean that's their whole existence. I do believe they are both supreme manipulators of the media, and are interested in their own enrichment, nothing more.

[BU508A]

Like it or not, this is the way the industry is, you aren't going to become a tech CEO if you try and sell an ordinary sausage on a plain white roll, you have to sell the sizzle.

Which in turn means that the recipients of such promises allow themselves to be manipulated, or even want to be manipulated.
This is pretty much the exact opposite of what Immanuel Kant wanted to achieve (leaving one's own immaturity).

[Refrigerator]

That doesn't seem to be his latest video, the following one, less than one day old, seems to be though:



I've NOT watched it.  Thunderf00t just seems to 'attack' people, they are obsessively against, which I'm relatively fed up with.  So, I may or may not watch it later.

EDIT: I've watched the first 11 minutes or so.
It is probably WORSE than I was expecting.
It is just Thunderf00t, going on and on and on .....
about how terrible he thinks Elon Musk is.

By "16 and counting" i was referring to the new tfoot video, which came after the one Dave linked, which was the 15-th one.

[Refrigerator]

The video is a compilation of video clips Elon making a claim and not delivering it or delivering it but not as promised, they just repeat like that: Elon promised - did not deliver - promised - did not deliver and so on throughout the video.

I haven't watched it, but that could be said of every tech CEO ever. Cue Steve Jobs and the LISA or the Macintosh as early notable examples.
It's actually kind of their job to promise the world and then attempt to deliver something, eventually, even if it's not even close to what they promised.
Like it or not, this is the way the industry is, you aren't going to become a tech CEO if you try and sell an ordinary sausage on a plain white roll, you have to sell the sizzle.

Absolutely true, people make promises all the time and i think these promises reflect on their ambition to some effect.
Of course not everything will come to fruition, many things leverage on the unknown and most promises are based on predictions.

[MK14]

By "16 and counting" i was referring to the new tfoot video, which came after the one Dave linked, which was the 15-th one.

Thanks.  I'd got mixed up, because the video in the post you quoted, was the previous one.

The video type count (16) didn't register/twig with me, as I was unsure how many such videos Thunderf00t has made, so far.

[Refrigerator]

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave, as you thoroughly busted the hyperloop nonsense yourself, and surely have some knowledge of the solar roof fiasco (sorry icr if you did any vids on that), yet seem to think Musk is somehow infallible in other things.

Geez i would hate to be Dave right now.
"I'm disappointed in you, Dave. Make better content for me, Dave. Stop making me so disappointed, Dave. You're better than this, Dave. Go debunk Musk, Dave." 

[AVGresponding]

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave, as you thoroughly busted the hyperloop nonsense yourself, and surely have some knowledge of the solar roof fiasco (sorry icr if you did any vids on that), yet seem to think Musk is somehow infallible in other things.

Geez i would hate to be Dave right now.
"I'm disappointed in you, Dave. Make better content for me, Dave. Stop making me so disappointed, Dave. You're better than this, Dave. Go debunk Musk, Dave." 

Don't put words in my mouth, and don't try to twist what I said, that is a very dishonest thing to do.

[PlainName]

The video is a compilation of video clips Elon making a claim and not delivering it or delivering it but not as promised, they just repeat like that: Elon promised - did not deliver - promised - did not deliver and so on throughout the video.

I haven't watched it, but that could be said of every tech CEO ever. Cue Steve Jobs and the LISA or the Macintosh as early notable examples.
It's actually kind of their job to promise the world and then attempt to deliver something, eventually, even if it's not even close to what they promised.
Like it or not, this is the way the industry is, you aren't going to become a tech CEO if you try and sell an ordinary sausage on a plain white roll, you have to sell the sizzle.

Absolutely true, people make promises all the time and i think these promises reflect on their ambition to some effect.
Of course not everything will come to fruition, many things leverage on the unknown and most promises are based on predictions.

That is rather different to promising to give money to charity and then.. not doing that. Instead, using the money as a tax avoidance means:

Recently uncovered financial documents reveal that last year, as Elon Musk was taunting the United Nations over his choice to withhold $6 billion that he said he would donate to solve world hunger, the right-wing billionaire gave the money to a different source: his own foundation.

The director of the United Nations’ World Food Programme laid out a plan to spend $6.6 billion to combat world hunger — a direct response to a back-and-forth with Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who claimed he would sell Tesla stock to fund a plan if the WFP could describe “exactly how” it would work

Do promises and normal behaviour no longer matter if you're a CEO? Maybe we should just consider anyone who gets to CEO should be on trial for being a bad 'un - being CEO is de facto proof, after all, right?

[wraper]

The director of the United Nations’ World Food Programme laid out a plan to spend $6.6 billion to combat world hunger — a direct response to a back-and-forth with Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who claimed he would sell Tesla stock to fund a plan if the WFP could describe “exactly how” it would work

Do promises and normal behaviour no longer matter if you're a CEO? Maybe we should just consider anyone who gets to CEO should be on trial for being a bad 'un - being CEO is de facto proof, after all, right?

Because they did not explain a realistic way how $6 billion would actually save 42 million people from starvation? The vast majority of charity programs are just a money grab while barely helping anyone. Also since they raised the money, all world hunger should be gone by now, isn't it?

[PlainName]

Because they did not explain a realistic way how $6 billion would actually save 42 million people from starvation?

Straw man:

In response, Musk tweeted in a reply to a misleading tweet about Beasley’s remark that he would donate $6 billion — just 2 percent of his net worth at the time — if the UN could prove that the money would solve world hunger, ignoring that Beasley never mentioned solving world hunger altogether with that amount of money.

It was a spat about under-taxing billionaires (read the link). The above came out because of:

In late October, director of the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) David Beasley pointed out that billionaires like Musk could donate just a fraction of their wealth, which has skyrocketed during the pandemic, to address world hunger.

Note the difference between 'address' and 'solve'. Only CEOs can make that mistake, I guess.

[EEVblog]

Show me where thunderfoot is factually incorrect; let's ignore the ranting and get to the meat of the matter. Can you prove that he is wrong, and that any of Musk's claims or predictions are/were correct?

I don't care that much, I haven't watched any of his recent Elon videos.
Just pointing out that a tech CEO's job is to basically exaggerate and bullshit, Elon isn't the first and he won't be the last.

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave

I care even less.

as you thoroughly busted the hyperloop nonsense yourself, and surely have some knowledge of the solar roof fiasco (sorry icr if you did any vids on that), yet seem to think Musk is somehow infallible in other things.

Your mind reading skills suck.
I'm famous for publicly taking to task FSD, Starship, Hyperloop, Mars colony, and other stuff.

[EEVblog]

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave, as you thoroughly busted the hyperloop nonsense yourself, and surely have some knowledge of the solar roof fiasco (sorry icr if you did any vids on that), yet seem to think Musk is somehow infallible in other things.

Geez i would hate to be Dave right now.
"I'm disappointed in you, Dave. Make better content for me, Dave. Stop making me so disappointed, Dave. You're better than this, Dave. Go debunk Musk, Dave." 

Don't put words in my mouth, and don't try to twist what I said, that is a very dishonest thing to do.

You just assumed opinions my mine.

[wraper]

In late October, director of the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) David Beasley pointed out that billionaires like Musk could donate just a fraction of their wealth, which has skyrocketed during the pandemic, to address world hunger.

Note the difference between 'address' and 'solve'. Only CEOs can make that mistake, I guess.

Except that article was obviously edited. Even title has changed if you compare it with what was in the tweet. The original was "2% of Elon Musk’s wealth could solve world hunger" which later transformed into "2% of Elon Musk’s wealth could help solve world hunger". No difference whatsoever, my ass.

[EEVblog]

By "16 and counting" i was referring to the new tfoot video, which came after the one Dave linked, which was the 15-th one.

Thanks.  I'd got mixed up, because the video in the post you quoted, was the previous one.
The video type count (16) didn't register/twig with me, as I was unsure how many such videos Thunderf00t has made, so far.

Note that that's just the ones in a row now, not total count.
As a creator of eclectic content (at least in terms of science/debunking for TF) I would fell so bad about releasing 16 videos in a row one the one subject. it's like if I did 16 videos in a row on Solar Roadways, or 16 mailbags in row.

[AVGresponding]

Show me where thunderfoot is factually incorrect; let's ignore the ranting and get to the meat of the matter. Can you prove that he is wrong, and that any of Musk's claims or predictions are/were correct?

I don't care that much, I haven't watched any of his recent Elon videos.
Just pointing out that a tech CEO's job is to basically exaggerate and bullshit, Elon isn't the first and he won't be the last.

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave

I care even less.

That much is clear.

Your mind reading skills suck.
I'm famous for publicly taking to task FSD, Starship, Hyperloop, Mars colony, and other stuff.

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

I'm particularly disappointed in you Dave, as you thoroughly busted the hyperloop nonsense yourself, and surely have some knowledge of the solar roof fiasco (sorry icr if you did any vids on that), yet seem to think Musk is somehow infallible in other things.

Geez i would hate to be Dave right now.
"I'm disappointed in you, Dave. Make better content for me, Dave. Stop making me so disappointed, Dave. You're better than this, Dave. Go debunk Musk, Dave." 

Don't put words in my mouth, and don't try to twist what I said, that is a very dishonest thing to do.

You just assumed opinions my mine.

I was calling out Refrigerator for dishonestly misquoting me, not you.

[MK14]

Note that that's just the ones in a row now, not total count.
As a creator of eclectic content (at least in terms of science/debunking for TF) I would fell so bad about releasing 16 videos in a row one the one subject. it's like if I did 16 videos in a row on Solar Roadways, or 16 mailbags in row.

Yes, that makes it sound really bad.  If a prominent YouTuber (100k+ subscribers), started doing that.  You would think their channels viewership would disappear.

Given the (apparent) lack of restraint, in making sixteen consecutive YouTube videos, heavily criticizing Elon Musk.

I'm surprised, they have (substantially) avoided mentioning political things and/or other characters, such as the president of the US.

They (Thunderf00t), have been known to heavily criticize, and continually make YouTube videos, against another person or people, in the past.

I guess some subject areas, seem to get under some YouTubers skin, and they have difficulty resisting, making YouTube videos criticizing them.

I've forgotten the name of the channel (honest*****), but there has been an electronics channel, and if you mention batteriser, solar roads etc.  They seem to get activated.  (Just kidding!).

I think one or two videos.  With more if they start attacking a persons channel, and similar activities.  Is fine.

But 16?!   

As I've said before in this thread.  If they gave more balanced views, and didn't repeat themselves, from time to time.  I think it would be better.

In the 'old days' when such things would have been actual TV programs (e.g. Scotty Kilmer, car repairs).  But also in modern times, with some of the bigger YouTube channels, such as Linus Tech Tips or Mentour Pilot.

There would be video producers (job names can vary) and/or people to advice and discuss the upcoming video/TV production(s).  Allowing suitable moderation of the new videos.

To some extent the YouTube comments and Forum comments (if there is an associated forum), can help as well.

As a final comment.  I'm both amazed and very pleased, that from viewing a somewhat wide-range of mainly technical YouTube channels, in recent months.  They have been almost 99% political free (except occasionally some have done tariff impact videos, and similar), and avoided mentioning the current situation.

Which is sensible, as if you say things against one party or other, you could end up alienating, almost 50% of your American audience.