Depending on the rate plan a kWhr ranges from $0.12 to $0.87. Will people have to "fill-up" when the power company is charging $0.87 kWhr?
HOOLY DOOLEY!!!
I thought some plans in Oz were ripoffs at .54 C Kwh but .87 is just eye watering.
You are right, there will be those that have to charge because you can't always schedule your movements and situation especially around refueling a vehicle. What really gets me though is the power companies will be talking endless green crap about scheduling your loads and " Modifying behaviour" when the highest prices will be right in the evenings when dad comes home from work and the meal is being prepared and Kids are doing whatever watching TV, on the computer etc and there is NO way to "Modify Behaviour".
What are you going to say? It's 5PM, go to bed now kids and I'll wake you up at 10 PM for dinner and to do your homework. Yeah, that will fly!
Kids go to school and tell other Kids they eat Dinner at 9PM and Child services will probably be knocking on the door to take the kids away from the " abusive" parents. Geez this do good crap gives me the irrits.
And you could not pay me enough to live in cali-fail-na. I have a couple of friends that live there and if 10% of what I hear about the place is true..... My god! One mate can't have a gas portable BBQ going to cook his evening meal without the neighbors bitch and the council/ cops/ Fire department come and threaten to fine him.
Now if one has solar panels and can sell electricity to the power company this changes everything as you can sell kHrs to the power company at $0.87kWhr and then buy back those kWhrs for only $0.12. But then one has to factor in the $35,000 Tesla/Solar City charges for the solar panels.
We have nothing Like selling the power back to the grid for what it costs. I do in my own underhanded way. Still have spinny meters which my solar winds back during the day and I use at night to make the grid act like my battery.
Here the normal thing is you can get back about .8 to .20C per KWH you send back BUT, the higher the amount you get, the more you pay for what you use. Nothing like a con job. They advertise and make a big deal of the High FIT rates but even when you are aware of the scam it often takes some Digging to find what the charges are. The other thing they get you on is high " Supply" charges so they are making plenty even if you are using nothing. Lot of other scams they have here as well advertising discounts but then cooking the books so you get a fraction of what they promote.
Solar here is FAR cheaper than in the states.
A 6.6KW system here can be had all day for $6000 with good quality components and that includes installation. There are cheaper systems available for closer to the $4k mark for that sort of output.
I saw a Vid done about a week ago the other day where a guy in the US was quoting $30K for a 4 or 5KW system. I had to go back and make sure I hadn't heard wrong but then he showed the figures..... scary!
The thing about charging an EV from solar is largely a Crock as well.
In order to do that and not cost oneself money anyway, one would have to be generating an EXCESS equivalent to the amount the EV used every day. For many, that's not easy and for those that can, it's certainly not going to happen all the time.
I don't know what US Consumption is on average, would obviously vary a lot as with anywhere depending on wether gas was used and time of year.
I think it would be fair to say 20 Kwh as a conservative average.
5 kw of panels in a sunny place in summer might generate 25Kwh. In winter maybe 10. On an overcast day, maybe 5. Maybe. Of course if you have shading issues that's going to knock generation around as does weather.
In any case, one would have to have 10Kw of panels on the roof to be in the hunt to be able to support the power the home uses AND the EV.
If you can't do both, then you are robbing Peter to pay Paul which is exactly what so many of the green cult are preaching knowingly or by ignorance.
In Sydney we have a 33% weather split. About 1/3rd of the days are bright sunny and clear, about 1/3rd have intermittent cloud and the other 3rd are overcast sometimes with rain. In other words, your system really needs to be 3X bigger than what is needed to handle all the weather all the year. 30Kw of panels on the average domestic residence anywhere in the world? Not a hope in hell.
Take into account the matchboxes they are building now and have done is some places for years with tiny foot prints and similarly tiny roof spaces, going to be lucky to get 3Kw literally!
Of course if you live in a place with a lot of cloud/ snow/ rain etc..... forget it.
I have over 20Kwh of solar now and that will be a stretch to get me through winter breaking even with power and I sure as heck don't have an EV to suck down the juice. this whole " charge at home from your panels " BS is a bit like saying, " No need to buy fruit and veg at the shop, just grow your own in the back yard."
Yeah a FEW can do it but the greater majority can't for one reason or another.
I also don't see the TOU pricing model lasting too long. It's on it's way out here now. People DID change their behavior, Too much for the power/ energy companies liking. Electric off peak hot water has made a come back. Appliances like dishwashers and washing machines/ Dryers have timers built in, people are buying storage batteries which charge at night during the off peak and feed back at peak times. Busineess that operated in normal hours are now going to night production and paying the penality rates in wages to say fortunes in power use.
There is a link to our power grid generation and consumption I look and laugh at from time to time and the consumption is fast evening out.
Day demand is getting lass as people are running of their own generated solar power and night consumption is going up as everyone wants to take advantage of cheaper rates.
As someone who owns an electric car in California the annual cost difference between "fueling" an EV and an ICE is a difference of a few hundred dollars. And as electricity rates increase it's going to be even less.
If one takes into account the higher cost of an EV than a similar ICE the savings would evaporate in most cases.
Resale value is going to be a significan't issue with EV's as well.
The big advantage with EVs other than BSing people into thinking they are doing something "good" for the planet is they cause the pollution in someone else's backyard. There is no cost "real" cost savings.
No emissions, environmental or any other benefits either despite what the Cult leaders of the green church preach.
I really wonder how far EV's will get?
Despite the greenwashing, it IS going to take 20years before ev's reach 51% of new car sales. 20 years is a long time in tech. it's also going to be a LOT of money that has to be invested to accomodate them.
I wonder if some new thing might come along in that time and cut the EV legs from under them. If the Auto industry have success with flogging the new EV tech, first thing they are going to do is go into Apple mode and want to bring out a later product people will want to update that to. Might be some new fuel all together, main roads and Highways might have cable system that pulls traffic along, maybe someone gets teleportation working?.... Far from a safe bet that nothing will happen in the next 20 year and everyone will be happy with EV's and no one is going to try and overcome their shortfalls and improving transportation.
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