I'll take wind over coal (especially open cast strip-mined German brown coal!) any day!
I'll take wind over coal (especially open cast strip-mined German brown coal!) any day!
Never.
For the amount of energy coming from a coal mine (and 24/7) you will need thousands of wind parks devastating a huge amount of landscape.
Its about energy density and renewable's win that battle.
This sums up rather well what I think of people flatly opposed to wind turbines.
For controlling the frequency, there are different solutions. Some use gears, though usually not continuously variable. Some use electronic DC/AC converters, variable pole number generators and / or AC excitation with variable frequency and older, smaller ones used asynchronous generators. There are still different solutions around.
Getting coal from underground mines also has some downsides. You don't see the mines, but the ground is slowly sinking, causing quite some trouble over hundreds of years. But long term coal is not an alternative at all, unless you have a permanent sink for CO2.
If you want to live in a preindustrial landscape then you should forego all the benefits of industrialisation. Oh shit that means you will live by candlelight hand wash all your clothing have no TV no telephone no Internet.
If you want to live in a preindustrial landscape then you should forego all the benefits of industrialisation. Oh shit that means you will live by candlelight hand wash all your clothing have no TV no telephone no Internet.Yeah, because we've had to do all that for the past 100 years to be able to live with the landscapes we currently have...
If you want to live in a preindustrial landscape then you should forego all the benefits of industrialisation. Oh shit that means you will live by candlelight hand wash all your clothing have no TV no telephone no Internet.Yeah, because we've had to do all that for the past 100 years to be able to live with the landscapes we currently have...
I don't quite follow. To put it another way there is a village not far from me which being somewhere in the country is a bit of a market. This village is also the site of an airfield that has been there since the Second World War. The airfield has long argued to have a hard runway for its light aircraft and plans for this were in place long before some very loud complainers about their plans moved to the village. Arguments against the hard runway ranged from objections to the airfield having jet planes landing and taking off and the fact that it would mean more helicopters. Basically when somebody doesn't like something happening near them they will come up with any amount of stupid and unreasonable reasons why it should not happen because ultimately people only care about themselves. I would quite happily live near a wind turbine. It would produce no emissions I would not hear it (and I am very sensitive to low-frequency sound) and I would actually be able to see the landscape beyond it which is more than I can say the people living near warehousing which nobody seems to object to. Strangely warehousing is often built on highpoints and completely obstruct the view yet people complain about a stick with a fan on top of it. Environmental excuses are usually just excuses if people don't mind warehouses they can bloodily well have wind turbines
I would like to invite people in favor of wind power to take a look at what happened in Germany:
http://notrickszone.com/2015/06/02/shocking-before-and-after-photos-how-wind-parks-are-devastating-idyllic-german-countryside/#sthash.U1dr2E3d.dpbs
I would like to invite people in favor of wind power to take a look at what happened in Germany:
http://notrickszone.com/2015/06/02/shocking-before-and-after-photos-how-wind-parks-are-devastating-idyllic-german-countryside/#sthash.U1dr2E3d.dpbs
maybe this power station is more to your liking.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hazelwood+power+station&biw=1216&bih=595&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIk7Cf-pPLAhVFp5QKHX7bByoQ_AUICCgC&dpr=1.58
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-10/hazelwood-mine-fire-special-health-improvement-zone-recommended/7154950
Thank goodness the Chinese don't have those awful wind turbines ruining their vistas
Putting things in perspective. They live longer than ever.
Putting things in perspective. They live longer than ever.
Equally relevant to the discussion of electricity generation effects on views , they also export more turnips than ever.
And just imagine how many more turnips they would export or lifespan might increase if they just burned more coal! Er, or maybe not
Hmm, somebody on the internet has hard time recognizing the many benefits that abundance, cheap and reliable energy bring to developing countries. Oh, well, it's a diverse group here.
So - you'll get no disagreement from me that the excess energy that fossil fuels have provided has meant more technology, more food production and more people -as well as more material wealth for some...
So - you'll get no disagreement from me that the excess energy that fossil fuels have provided has meant more technology, more food production and more people -as well as more material wealth for some...
Must be hard to admit. Good job!
So - you'll get no disagreement from me that the excess energy that fossil fuels have provided has meant more technology, more food production and more people -as well as more material wealth for some...
Must be hard to admit. Good job!
Nothing to admit. Those are the facts. That's been my view for years and I've stated it on this forum many times.(and many times in debates with you!) I've never claimed otherwise.
Now - any suggestions on answers to the important questions?
So - you'll get no disagreement from me that the excess energy that fossil fuels have provided has meant more technology, more food production and more people -as well as more material wealth for some...
Must be hard to admit. Good job!
Nothing to admit. Those are the facts. That's been my view for years and I've stated it on this forum many times.(and many times in debates with you!) I've never claimed otherwise.
Now - any suggestions on answers to the important questions?
Sorry mtdoc, I don't have bandwidth to entertain yet another catastrophes-will-happen-unless-if-you-will-adopt-my-point-of-view.
I would like to invite people in favor of wind power to take a look at what happened in Germany:
I would like to invite people in favor of wind power to take a look at what happened in Germany:
There's hardly any difference and tbh they look nice. Especially when compared to having this:
:nearby.
Those who whine about windmills would complain even more about that ruining there view.
The ones I don't like are those who tout the benefits of wind power, but don't want it generated anywhere near anyplace they go.
...Greenpeace USA staged a demonstration against well-known eco-activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who’s been an outspoken opponent of the proposal for a 130-turbine wind-power project in Horseshoe Shoal