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Hi all,
Someone gave me a box with a ~100 of these modules. No explanation or background were provided, and I have no Analog/RF background myself. The modules were probably in use, around 20 years ago.
To my highly un-trained eye it looks similar to those simple Chinese OOK rf receivers. I bet you know more and can shed light on this.
Here are my observations so far:
- To remove all doubt, the board has only two layers
- The three ground pins are easy enough to spot by looking at the back side. The pin farthest from the IC isn't connected to anything.
- All the the deep-green surfaces with the straight, blackened scratches are trimmed resistors, right?
- The IC is a TI TLC272 Dual OpAmp, so the pins from 1 to 8 are 1OUT, 1IN-, 1IN+, GND, 2IN+, 2IN-, 2OUT and Vdd.
https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlc272.pdf
I removed one to see what's underneath.
The module's rightmost pins are therefore Vdd and Output (from 2OUT). What do the next three do? Are they used for threshold or some gain control by the carrier board?
- What does the third-from-left pin do? Above it are a capacitor(?) and then a transistor. Is this thing a transmitter too?
Thanks, I hope this post belongs here and not in the Complete Noob forum
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It looks like there is no RF oscillator on that board, I think pin 3 is the RF input which is then amplified by the 2 transistors (BF17p?). It seems that the supply voltage for the RF part would be connected to pin 4 but there is a component missing? Looks like an AM receiver, probably 433MHz.
Wait... Have a look at this
https://www.gotronic.fr/art-recepteur-am-433-92-ac-rx2-cs-27868.htm
I'd say that's very close. -
It seems that the supply voltage for the RF part would be connected to pin 4 but there is a component missing? Looks like an AM receiver, probably 433MHz.
All the boards have two unpopulated components, one right above the little copper coil, and one connecting the ground plane of that single pin.Wait... Have a look at this
https://www.gotronic.fr/art-recepteur-am-433-92-ac-rx2-cs-27868.htm
I'd say that's very close.
Yes, it looks right. I have some cheap 433MHz transmitters, I'll try to hook then up and see if I can receive anything. Thanks! -
Yes, it looks right. I have some cheap 433MHz transmitters
according to description it's 433 MHz receiver
And your modules looks a little bit different -
It seems that the supply voltage for the RF part would be connected to pin 4 but there is a component missing? Looks like an AM receiver, probably 433MHz.
All the boards have two unpopulated components, one right above the little copper coil, and one connecting the ground plane of that single pin.
Right, I didn't notice the pin was connected to ground. So the VCC must be coming from pin 5 then and the unpopulated part is a decoupling cap. I didn't expect the RF part to be supplied via a printed resistor but so be it. -
Yes, it looks right. I have some cheap 433MHz transmitters
according to description it's 433 MHz receiver
And your modules looks a little bit different
No, I meant - these mystery modules are receivers, and I have (unrelated) transmitters with about the same frequency, so I'll try to make them work together
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So, first round of testing:
Part 1: I picked a unit at random, soldered a few breadboard-friendly pins for Vdd, GND and OUT, and watched the output with a scope while nearby transmitter is silent or working. Output is always maximum, no change (not even noise). I took a closer look and discovered that for this specific unit, the PnP machine was drunk - one big cap is missing and the other two are 45 degrees from their proper pads
Part 2: Picked another unit, inspected it visually, repeated the test. Output is always minimum. Added a wire for what seems to be the "ANTENNA" pin, no change.
Looking at it now, I really see no path from Vdd to the RF part. The pin assignment in the above linked product must be irrelevant to this module, despite the physical similarity. -
Antenna pin is #3 obviously, what other connections did you make?
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Antenna pin is #3 obviously, what other connections did you make?
Third from the left, looking from the component side, correct? That's the one I tried for ANT.
I connected the rightmost and the next one to Vdd and Out respectively, and the fourth from the right to GND. All the ground pins are connected to each other through the hatched plane at the back. -
I took a closer look and discovered that for this specific unit, the PnP machine was drunk - one big cap is missing and the other two are 45 degrees from their proper pads
Eyeball all units. If there's substantial variation you might have a box of manufacturer discards.
That's a relatively-expensive thick-film module on a ceramic substrate, it's reasonable to expect that fabrication and assembly took more stages than we're used to with bulk SMD boards, and in that case it's also reasonable that there might have been inspection/testing between each stage rather than just on completion.
I definitely recognise the outline with the sparse DIP pinning, but in practice all that means is that for that type of functionality there was a vague expectation that that's what the module would look like. By analogy, almost all cars these days have four wheels but that doesn't mean that they take the same size tyres or that engine parts are interchangeable.
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Eyeball all units. If there's substantial variation you might have a box of manufacturer discards.
Interesting idea, but no - I checked dozens and they all look ok. Just my luck, to pick the one defective unit out of 100 for testing
Many of the modules' pins, however, are a bit bent and have solder traces on them. They must have been pulled.
I'll keep trying to make them work, when time allows; any other suggestions towards this goal are welcome
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It looks to me to be a regenerative receiver for OOK (on-off keying) and I bet the frequency is 433 MHz. The missing op-amp acts as a noise-riding slicer, i.e. it will detect a signal level above the noise (very smart design). The recieiver is wideband and will lock at any signal in the vincinity of 433 MHz. You should see 5v/0 logical level out matching the input signal puls train.
It's the first time I see a module like this having thick-film components on the pcb, nice
Looking at other similar modules you should be able to figure out how to power the module and where to get data out. But you need stimuli like a key fob or remote car key using 433 MHz and OOK modulation to verify it works.
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But you need stimuli like a key fob or remote car key using 433 MHz and OOK modulation to verify it works.
Every home should have one...
MarkMLl