Emptiness

[Specmaster]

Oh it echoes in here, is there anyone else around?

[nixiefreqq]

[Specmaster]

Strange thing is that the email notification displays the text "I hear something" but the text does not appear on the thread post?

[mnementh]

Come on guys... stop with the antagonizing. We should take a "Wait and see" attitude towards the "Enter at your own risk!" warning at the top of the space... if we can expect the complainers to take responsibility for coming there, even though they were warned... that's a compromise.

If Dave is unwilling to give us a real OT space... lets at least see if the chain-link fence he put up around the old TEAnonymous stronghold is enough make the whiners whine somewhere else.

Otherwise, they're just gonna move in and take over.

mnem
 

[bsfeechannel]

Come on guys... stop with the antagonizing. We should take a "Wait and see" attitude towards the "Enter at your own risk!" warning at the top of the space... if we can expect the complainers to take responsibility for coming there, even though they were warned... that's a compromise.

If Dave is unwilling to give us a real OT space... lets at least see if the chain-link fence he put up around the old TEAnonymous stronghold is enough make the whiners whine somewhere else.

Otherwise, they're just gonna move in and take over.

mnem
 

I would contribute content here, but I'm waiting for you to convince bitseeker to move the thread to this subforum.

[Specmaster]

 

Come on guys... stop with the antagonizing. We should take a "Wait and see" attitude towards the "Enter at your own risk!" warning at the top of the space... if we can expect the complainers to take responsibility for coming there, even though they were warned... that's a compromise.

If Dave is unwilling to give us a real OT space... lets at least see if the chain-link fence he put up around the old TEAnonymous stronghold is enough make the whiners whine somewhere else.

Otherwise, they're just gonna move in and take over.

mnem
 

What me antagonize, perish the thought, just wanted to be the very first to post anything thats all 

I must say that it is far easier with the old emojis.

[m k]

Still single digit.

[mnementh]

you fookers.... just agitatin' for the sake of agitatin'... 

mnem
(but thanks for the chuckle; I needed it )

[Specmaster]

you fookers.... just agitatin' for the sake of agitatin'... 

mnem
(but thanks for the chuckle; I needed it )

yeah, I know you only too well 

[EEVblog]

I would contribute content here, but I'm waiting for you to convince bitseeker to move the thread to this subforum.

I think I read that bitseeker has no intention of moving the thread, and doesn't care either way. So either the majority here decide they want it moved, or it simply remains as-is.
Decide amoung yourself, I rarely post in TEA, so I have no personal opinion on it.

[EEVblog]

If Dave is unwilling to give us a real OT space... lets at least see if the chain-link fence he put up around the old TEAnonymous stronghold is enough make the whiners whine somewhere else.

How is your new space a "real OT space"? It basically has the same OT hot-topic rules as here.
I offered you your own moderator that you guy would elect and your own space to be left alone. Nothing more I can do.

[EEVblog]

If Dave is unwilling to give us a real OT space...

Go vote!
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/important-poll-should-there-be-an-off-topic-section/

It might even be better than your new home that has topic rules

[AVGresponding]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

[beanflying]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Perhaps instead of pouring fuel on the embers of this issue you should just give it a rest.

You have in the last few days tried to claim this which is a LIE 'In point of fact all are unhappy at having had to leave, and your ill-informed attempts to ascribe such base and juvenile motivations are quite far from the mark.'

That MINORITY's inability to accept even some basic conformance to the rules of the Forum WHEN ASKED by Dave without extreme belligerence is and remains the issue. Anything else is complete

In spite of what you might falsely think the thread while started by One (Bitseeker) is the joint composition of ALL and the small number of butt hurt CHILDREN are not 'the thread' but just part of it like we ALL are.

Bitseeker has acted through this as he has seen best with a level of dignity and politeness and certainly doesn't need you adding to his job to move forward along his chosen path. The location is within the Forum not that important but as the original intent was a home to the suffers and aspirants of TEA as a disease and the Test Equipment section makes most sense (as it always has). Given the other few topics running currently there is unlikely to be 'special moderators' operating under 'special rules' but that is up to Dave ultimately.

But both of these things in a single forum as fraught with 'but burt look over here they can do X' and are a really bad idea.

[Brumby]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Why?  I just can't see any good reason.

How is that doing a "favour" for anyone?  .... That is confusing.

[TERRA Operative]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Please don't.

[Bud]

How many more threads about the TEA thread are we going to have? 

[pcprogrammer]

Only older Dutch members will get this one

Ed.Kloonk cleanup in "Emptiness".

[AVGresponding]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Perhaps instead of pouring fuel on the embers of this issue you should just give it a rest.

You have in the last few days tried to claim this which is a LIE 'In point of fact all are unhappy at having had to leave, and your ill-informed attempts to ascribe such base and juvenile motivations are quite far from the mark.'

That MINORITY's inability to accept even some basic conformance to the rules of the Forum WHEN ASKED by Dave without extreme belligerence is and remains the issue. Anything else is complete

In spite of what you might falsely think the thread while started by One (Bitseeker) is the joint composition of ALL and the small number of butt hurt CHILDREN are not 'the thread' but just part of it like we ALL are.

Bitseeker has acted through this as he has seen best with a level of dignity and politeness and certainly doesn't need you adding to his job to move forward along his chosen path. The location is within the Forum not that important but as the original intent was a home to the suffers and aspirants of TEA as a disease and the Test Equipment section makes most sense (as it always has). Given the other few topics running currently there is unlikely to be 'special moderators' operating under 'special rules' but that is up to Dave ultimately.

But both of these things in a single forum as fraught with 'but burt look over here they can do X' and are a really bad idea.

An interesting response. Please provide evidence if you're going to call someone a liar. And please don't resort to name calling, it lowers the tone of the debate.

[AVGresponding]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Why?  I just can't see any good reason.

How is that doing a "favour" for anyone?  .... That is confusing.

What's confusing is having two TEA sections. Either the original should be moved here, or this one should be deleted. I'm easy either way.

[Brumby]

I'm happy to walk away from this little backwater.  There hasn't been any TEA content posted here anyway - just musings and reflections.

[beanflying]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Perhaps instead of pouring fuel on the embers of this issue you should just give it a rest.

You have in the last few days tried to claim this which is a LIE 'In point of fact all are unhappy at having had to leave, and your ill-informed attempts to ascribe such base and juvenile motivations are quite far from the mark.'

That MINORITY's inability to accept even some basic conformance to the rules of the Forum WHEN ASKED by Dave without extreme belligerence is and remains the issue. Anything else is complete

In spite of what you might falsely think the thread while started by One (Bitseeker) is the joint composition of ALL and the small number of butt hurt CHILDREN are not 'the thread' but just part of it like we ALL are.

Bitseeker has acted through this as he has seen best with a level of dignity and politeness and certainly doesn't need you adding to his job to move forward along his chosen path. The location is within the Forum not that important but as the original intent was a home to the suffers and aspirants of TEA as a disease and the Test Equipment section makes most sense (as it always has). Given the other few topics running currently there is unlikely to be 'special moderators' operating under 'special rules' but that is up to Dave ultimately.

But both of these things in a single forum as fraught with 'but burt look over here they can do X' and are a really bad idea.

An interesting response. Please provide evidence if you're going to call someone a liar. And please don't resort to name calling, it lowers the tone of the debate.

Statement of FACT it is a LIE if it was name calling I would have used LIAR but I didn't!

So lets revue and be 'generous' and call them alternative facts 

Let me just list the Number of Members and contributors to the TEA thread that 'having had to leave' or were Forced from here by permanent bans or blocks to ongoing contributions in that thread or elsewhere in the forum.






























Ok so after that extensive list everyone can now draw there own conclusions about the prior post of mine and your claims.

[pcprogrammer]

A big gap of "emptiness" to fit the title

[AVGresponding]

Well, this is confusing... I shall ask bitseeker to move the old TEA thread here, as a favour to the regular contributors that wish to continue using the EEVBlog forums.

Perhaps instead of pouring fuel on the embers of this issue you should just give it a rest.

You have in the last few days tried to claim this which is a LIE 'In point of fact all are unhappy at having had to leave, and your ill-informed attempts to ascribe such base and juvenile motivations are quite far from the mark.'

That MINORITY's inability to accept even some basic conformance to the rules of the Forum WHEN ASKED by Dave without extreme belligerence is and remains the issue. Anything else is complete

In spite of what you might falsely think the thread while started by One (Bitseeker) is the joint composition of ALL and the small number of butt hurt CHILDREN are not 'the thread' but just part of it like we ALL are.

Bitseeker has acted through this as he has seen best with a level of dignity and politeness and certainly doesn't need you adding to his job to move forward along his chosen path. The location is within the Forum not that important but as the original intent was a home to the suffers and aspirants of TEA as a disease and the Test Equipment section makes most sense (as it always has). Given the other few topics running currently there is unlikely to be 'special moderators' operating under 'special rules' but that is up to Dave ultimately.

But both of these things in a single forum as fraught with 'but burt look over here they can do X' and are a really bad idea.

An interesting response. Please provide evidence if you're going to call someone a liar. And please don't resort to name calling, it lowers the tone of the debate.

Statement of FACT it is a LIE if it was name calling I would have used LIAR but I didn't!

So lets revue and be 'generous' and call them alternative facts 

Let me just list the Number of Members and contributors to the TEA thread that 'having had to leave' or were Forced from here by permanent bans or blocks to ongoing contributions in that thread or elsewhere in the forum.






























Ok so after that extensive list everyone can now draw there own conclusions about the prior post of mine and your claims.

Saying something that someone said is a lie, is calling them a liar. That is a simple fact. Referring to people as "butt hurt CHILDREN" is name calling. This also is a simple fact.

Since you have failed to provide any evidence that what I said is a lie, I consider it pure flamebaiting, which I am far too mature and intelligent to respond to in the way I believe you want. Here is a list of people that I personally know are unhappy at being made to feel so unwelcome in TEAnonymous that they had to leave, for their own wellbeing:

mnementh
bd139
Cerebus
bitseeker (the TEAnonymous OP, lest we forget that little fact, and despite your claims to the contrary, it is within his purview to request the thread be moved, locked, or deleted)
Saskia
med6753

Also I have observed that there are several people who used to contribute in TEAnonymous, but now only in Discord and .io, though I shan't name them because I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Then there's the people that stayed, but have drastically reduced contribution to the TEAnonymous thread, such as myself. Again, I shan't name others, as I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

[tautech]

Also I have observed that there are several people who used to contribute in TEAnonymous, but now only in Discord and .io, though I shan't name them because I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Then there's the people that stayed, but have drastically reduced contribution to the TEAnonymous thread, such as myself. Again, I shan't name others, as I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Because the close friends we have built these last few years are somewhere else and whenever you wish to keep friends you follow them so to keep in touch. We've never met but are family.

[beanflying]

Saying something that someone said is a lie, is calling them a liar. That is a simple fact. Referring to people as "butt hurt CHILDREN" is name calling. This also is a simple fact.

Since you have failed to provide any evidence that what I said is a lie, I consider it pure flamebaiting, which I am far too mature and intelligent to respond to in the way I believe you want. Here is a list of people that I personally know are unhappy at being made to feel so unwelcome in TEAnonymous that they had to leave, for their own wellbeing:

mnementh
bd139
Cerebus
bitseeker (the TEAnonymous OP, lest we forget that little fact, and despite your claims to the contrary, it is within his purview to request the thread be moved, locked, or deleted)
Saskia
med6753

Also I have observed that there are several people who used to contribute in TEAnonymous, but now only in Discord and .io, though I shan't name them because I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Then there's the people that stayed, but have drastically reduced contribution to the TEAnonymous thread, such as myself. Again, I shan't name others, as I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

So let's get this clear grown adults who stamped their feet kicked and screamed in the Aisle of TEA over weeks following a simple removal of some posts and generally CAUSED the issue to blow up out of all proportion because 'their' (In there inflated opinions) sandpit faced a request from Dave are the victims 

Don't put Bitseeker's name in your list he was not one of the 'children' here and if I was him I would be more than a bit annoyed at you being lumped in with them on a list by you. There is nothing he has done that goes anywhere close to the childish rantings of others. Bitseeker owns his content and can if he chooses move the Thread but he does not own mine and anyone else content so you should again not ascribe power that doesn't exist.

However those that 'CHOSE' to leave was absolutely not as you keep making up 'made to leave' in fact as far as I am aware ALL are still members here and most have posted a LOT after the initial content moderation and removal. You continuing to attempt to say otherwise just reinforces my earlier post.

So yep CHILDISH.

It was you in the TEA thread stirring crap about the posts of others being off topic and then promoting 'alternate facts' about the 'victims' FIRST so either own your stirring of the pot (flamebaiting if you must) that you started or give it a rest. 

[bd139]

With AVGresponding here 100%

Beanflying your entire attitude and presence is one reason I don’t want to participate now. You’ve been a top tier dick about it from day one. What do you have to gain?

We moved on which is fine. Now you’re strutting around like a demented pigeon making victory coos over a battle you stepped into when it was already a pile of corpses. This entire attitude is endemic on the forum which is perpetually bombed with asshattery and trolling on just about every decent thread.

Please get a life. Surely you’re old enough to know better.

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

[beanflying]

With AVGresponding here 100%

Beanflying your entire attitude and presence is one reason I don’t want to participate now. You’ve been a top tier dick about it from day one. What do you have to gain?

We moved on which is fine. Now you’re strutting around like a demented pigeon making victory coos over a battle you stepped into when it was already a pile of corpses. This entire attitude is endemic on the forum which is perpetually bombed with asshattery and trolling on just about every decent thread.

Please get a life. Surely you’re old enough to know better.

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Clearly you and others haven't moved on and even though AVG singled you out on his list here you are defending the bad behaviour in the thread.

There is no victory here at all just sadness and pissed off that YOU and others caused this because you couldn't accept some basic guidance on content balance. The Asshattery is on those who ramped up and railed against that. One day maybe you might be able to see that looking back but meanwhile you are no victim!

The level of total daily dribble in TEA was totally out of balance and as I have stated clearly it was never just 'on topic' (whatever that is in the thread) but circa 80% dribble is way off discussing TEA.

[bd139]

I don’t negotiate with trolls.

[AVGresponding]

Saying something that someone said is a lie, is calling them a liar. That is a simple fact. Referring to people as "butt hurt CHILDREN" is name calling. This also is a simple fact.

Since you have failed to provide any evidence that what I said is a lie, I consider it pure flamebaiting, which I am far too mature and intelligent to respond to in the way I believe you want. Here is a list of people that I personally know are unhappy at being made to feel so unwelcome in TEAnonymous that they had to leave, for their own wellbeing:

mnementh
bd139
Cerebus
bitseeker (the TEAnonymous OP, lest we forget that little fact, and despite your claims to the contrary, it is within his purview to request the thread be moved, locked, or deleted)
Saskia
med6753

Also I have observed that there are several people who used to contribute in TEAnonymous, but now only in Discord and .io, though I shan't name them because I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Then there's the people that stayed, but have drastically reduced contribution to the TEAnonymous thread, such as myself. Again, I shan't name others, as I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

So let's get this clear grown adults who stamped their feet kicked and screamed in the Aisle of TEA over weeks following a simple removal of some posts and generally CAUSED the issue to blow up out of all proportion because 'their' (In there inflated opinions) sandpit faced a request from Dave are the victims 

Don't put Bitseeker's name in your list he was not one of the 'children' here and if I was him I would be more than a bit annoyed at you being lumped in with them on a list by you. There is nothing he has done that goes anywhere close to the childish rantings of others. Bitseeker owns his content and can if he chooses move the Thread but he does not own mine and anyone else content so you should again not ascribe power that doesn't exist.

However those that 'CHOSE' to leave was absolutely not as you keep making up 'made to leave' in fact as far as I am aware ALL are still members here and most have posted a LOT after the initial content moderation and removal. You continuing to attempt to say otherwise just reinforces my earlier post.

So yep CHILDISH.

It was you in the TEA thread stirring crap about the posts of others being off topic and then promoting 'alternate facts' about the 'victims' FIRST so either own your stirring of the pot (flamebaiting if you must) that you started or give it a rest. 

You seem incapable of accepting demonstrable facts, and prefer instead to cling to a set of Trumpian style "alternative facts". There's only one of us shouting and stamping their feet (metaphorically) here, and it isn't me.

As for stirring the pot, I have no intention to do so; however, I will always challenge untruths and misconceptions when they directly affect my life, either physical or virtual.

[EEVblog]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

[EEVblog]

I just tried the Ignore User feature and it works just fine.
I will unblock beanflying of course, it was just a test.

[bd139]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

[EEVblog]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

It's not obvious, you have to go to your profile and then another tab:



Ideally there would be an additional option that eliminates their posts entirely, but I kinda like that it hides their posts but still lets you know it's there if you want to see it.

[pcprogrammer]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

But then you will miss out on all the fun

[beanflying]

You seem incapable of accepting demonstrable facts, and prefer instead to cling to a set of Trumpian style "alternative facts". There's only one of us shouting and stamping their feet (metaphorically) here, and it isn't me.

As for stirring the pot, I have no intention to do so; however, I will always challenge untruths and misconceptions when they directly affect my life, either physical or virtual.

You bitched and moaned about the use of Lie and now you want to bitch about 'alternate facts' to describe them.

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

[EEVblog]

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

I don't appreciate your attitude in this thread, please just stop.
Some people felt they had to leave, some people stayed and still enjoy the TEA thread. It's done.
And no one seems to want TEA moved here, and no one seems to want to use the new section I was asked to create. So I'll probably just shut it down shortly and move the couple of threads back to Test Equipment unless anyone has any objections?

[bd139]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

It's not obvious, you have to go to your profile and then another tab:



Ideally there would be an additional option that eliminates their posts entirely, but I kinda like that it hides their posts but still lets you know it's there if you want to see it.

Got it. Thanks for that. Peaceful life ahead!

Agree there should be a show it optionally thing.

[pcprogrammer]

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

I don't appreciate your attitude in this thread, please just stop.
Some people felt they had to leave, some people stayed and still enjoy the TEA thread. It's done.
And no one seems to want TEA moved here, and no one seems to want to use the new section I was asked to create. So I'll probably just shut it down shortly and move the couple of threads back to Test Equipment unless anyone has any objections?

I think most will agree that this thread does not need to be preserved for the future.

The other one about the "constitution" you might like to take parts out of it to augment the general rules, but if not that is fine too.

Then just hit the delete button

[AVGresponding]

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

I don't appreciate your attitude in this thread, please just stop.
Some people felt they had to leave, some people stayed and still enjoy the TEA thread. It's done.
And no one seems to want TEA moved here, and no one seems to want to use the new section I was asked to create. So I'll probably just shut it down shortly and move the couple of threads back to Test Equipment unless anyone has any objections?

I think most will agree that this thread does not need to be preserved for the future.

The other one about the "constitution" you might like to take parts out of it to augment the general rules, but if not that is fine too.

Then just hit the delete button

I'd be more in favour of just locking them, rather than allowing a rewriting of history by deletion.

[factory]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 



https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93211143?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23TEAdministration%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93211143%2Cct%25253D1

David

[EEVblog]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 

They are already moving from groups.io to another forum?

[EEVblog]

Then just hit the delete button

Nope, I won't delete posts. If you forget, that's a big part of what caused all this problem to begin with.

[factory]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 

They are already moving from groups.io to another forum?

No idea, but I thought the .io was a temporary solution, but from what I've read they can't seem to decide on a more permanent solution, I'm not on any .io forums and probably won't join another forum if they ever set one up, just don't have the time to contribute to yet another forum.

I do read it in exactly the same way as the original TEA thread here, all in one page https://groups.io/g/tea/messages?p=created%2C1%2C%2C1%2C2%2C0%2C0&prev=1

Interesting they have incorrectly reported the death of a TE collector last night;
https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93608144?p=%2C%2C%2C20%2C0%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23Events%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93608144%2Cct%253D1&ct=1
Richard is very much alive and is actually downsizing his collection, I can't comment on .io for obvious reasons;
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193112
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1498727#post1498727

David

[bd139]

AFAIK it’s still at evaluating the options phase. I am in no way an authority on where we are with that just a technical complainant

To note the future of TEA discussion has involved more than just a forum system which is where some of the misunderstanding lies in where to move it to and host it. This also makes a mockery of some of the other arguments as that is purely a scope and capability concern rather than emotional.

[m k]

Then just hit the delete button

Nope, I won't delete posts. If you forget, that's a big part of what caused all this problem to begin with.

All TEA posts are not deleted.
Is it possible that database still has originals?
I have a recollection that it can be the case.

[Simon]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 



https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93211143?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23TEAdministration%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93211143%2Cct%25253D1

David

As they mention themselves there IS a copyright issue. Current terms state that the rights of any posts belong to THIS forum.

[AVGresponding]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 



https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93211143?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23TEAdministration%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93211143%2Cct%25253D1

David

As they mention themselves there IS a copyright issue. Current terms state that the rights of any posts belong to THIS forum.

Please let's not get into another territorial pissings contest.

[factory]

Hopefully there is no need to worry about it, just the naughty 'dragon' seems to have other ideas.

Seeing various questions come up, hopefully this is helpful. Thanks to those who also helped with answers in prior posts.

TEA Q & A

Q: Are you going to duplicate the thread elsewhere?
A: Not as long as it exists here. It's bad for SEO to publish duplicate content. We built the thread here, so there's no need to have it elsewhere. We can always link to posts within it.

Last thing we need is another copy of the thread on the web, it's bad enough with bots copying everything, it makes web research a pain, due to some content repeated over & over.

David

[bd139]

Some clarifications:

Firstly, the "backups" are not backups but naive scrapes. They were taken due to the WebNX fire that took out the EEVblog forum for a while. We figured that it was a good method of preserving content which was generated should the worst happen one day. Everything is ephemeral on the Internet.

Secondarily, transferring content, caching and archiving it is not a copyright issue. If it was it would be illegal to use web browsers and archive.org, google and Microsoft would have been sued off the Internet ages ago. A couple of people tried this on in the early 2000's and looked like wallies. Broke wallies.

Thirdly, there is no copyright issue with reproducing the content elsewhere. While EEVblog asserts rights to the content posted, that does not mean the authors do not retain rights to it as well. In fact I will be reproducing some of the content I have posted here on my web site which I am 100% entitled to do. It will not be verbatim of course as it's a more formal medium but I could legally reproduce it anywhere I like.

Fourthly, the only place any copyright can be asserted is in court and if anyone went to court over this they'd be a wally.

But with those facts on the table, yes it doesn't make sense to reproduce it unless for some reason it disappeared. It has a negative SEO impact for both sites and doesn't really help with assigning what is where. That is originally why I suggested freezing the thread and continuing on groups.io only. For the sake of both EEVblog and TEA SEO stats only and the possibility that duplication hurts both sets of people.

(some) people think this is emotionally charged but it's all logical at the end of the day

[factory]

From the rules post, it just states what you post is 'public domain', no copyright mentioned, I have no issue with members of the .io forum adding their own posts/content from here.
I can't see any point for the 100k+ old posts to be added, this would just end up wasting money.

By posting on this public forum you are effectively giving up ownership of the text you wrote - it becomes public domain - people are free to quote it for perpetuity on this forum and other websites, bots are free to archive it and make it available in searches, and the forum owner is free to archive it and restore it if desired. You have no right to demand that what you wrote be removed from all parts of this forum and other people's posts. If you don't like this, don't post to a public forum like this.

David

[bsfeechannel]

We've never met but are family.

Granted, we can make friends and extend our relationships beyond this kind of interaction, here. But we have to consider that the EEVBlog is not a family. It is a forum. People come here primarily to exchange ideas.

Before the EEVBlog, my favorite spot on the net was the TDPRI. It is a 25 year-old 150,000-user community about almost everything I like: woodworking, metallurgy, electronics and obviously music.

If you read their rules, you will find this:

OFF LIMIT SUBJECTS:
Some subjects cause nothing but trouble, so no posting about:
1. Politics - ZERO tolerance of anything political
2. Religion
3. Sex (including improper photos or videos)
4. Drugs - usage, laws, legality or paraphernalia
5. Current Wars or national disputes
6. Gun rights or politics

And then

SENSITIVE SUBJECTS
On a public forum it is best not to discuss intimate and sensitive subjects. Please do not post on subjects such as Divorce, Spouse Abuse, Family Fighting, Addictions, Sexual Identity, Transgender, Psychological, Mental Heath, STDs, Sexual Dysfunction, Bankruptcy, Credit Worthiness, Eviction or other subjects of a sensitive and intimate nature.

Emphasis, mine.

By the way, they have an off-topic subforum called "Bad Dog Cafe", that's why they had to create a new category called OFF-LIMIT SUBJECTS.

Forums, when they get very large, they tend to encompass a wide range of topics, however, at the same time, it seems, it becomes even more impersonal, which is incompatible with what you see with a family.

[EEVblog]

That is originally why I suggested freezing the thread and continuing on groups.io only.

The TEA thread here will not be locked. Many people still enjoy using it every day, it is still very active.

[EEVblog]

As they mention themselves there IS a copyright issue. Current terms state that the rights of any posts belong to THIS forum.

Just clarify, the EEVblog forum has the right to host the content in-perpetuity. But other sites are free to archive it, and ultimately to host it if they wish. But I agree with others that have said having two public copies is not a good idea from an SEO and confusion point of view, and I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Just start fresh, and if you need to link to a post, just link to it here. Or if you want to quote an old post from here and discuss it elsewhere, just copy that one post as needed.

[pcprogrammer]

OFF LIMIT SUBJECTS:
Some subjects cause nothing but trouble, so no posting about:
1. Politics - ZERO tolerance of anything political
2. Religion
3. Sex (including improper photos or videos)
4. Drugs - usage, laws, legality or paraphernalia
5. Current Wars or national disputes
6. Gun rights or politics

An interesting difference between the rules here and what you mentioned. SEX, for what I have seen of it in the time I have been on this forum, not a problem, where as the film industry seems to portrait nerds to always be thinking about SEX

Or at least used to. Think of films like "revenge of the nerds" and "weird science" 

SENSITIVE SUBJECTS
On a public forum it is best not to discuss intimate and sensitive subjects. Please do not post on subjects such as Divorce, Spouse Abuse, Family Fighting, Addictions, Sexual Identity, Transgender, Psychological, Mental Heath, STDs, Sexual Dysfunction, Bankruptcy, Credit Worthiness, Eviction or other subjects of a sensitive and intimate nature.

A quite specific list of what not to post about, I must say, but these are indeed subjects that can cause disruption. But some of these have been discussed here at length without a lot of troubles.

[Ed.Kloonk]

It a bit like driving a car. There are many things you can do and things you shouldn't do. Somebody who drives over the speed limit very occasionally is unlikely to get pinged. Driving the car with worse intent or negligence to others, that's a different matter.

[pcprogrammer]

Oh Ed, now you disappoint me, I had at least expected you to say something about the SEX

But I do see your point, ill intent it not seen here that much.

[tggzzz]

Interesting they have incorrectly reported the death of a TE collector last night;
https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93608144?p=%2C%2C%2C20%2C0%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23Events%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93608144%2Cct%253D1&ct=1
Richard is very much alive and is actually downsizing his collection, I can't comment on .io for obvious reasons;
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193112
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1498727#post1498727

The individual bears responsibility for a post, not the group

I did indeed word it carelessly, but "the death of a kindred spirit" may well be correct: spirit can die without a person dying. Similarly "One of us is no more" was intended to indicate that there is one less person with TEA and GAS.

I hope the sale goes well for the owner's sake.

(BTW, thanks for PM'ing me with the post; I might well have missed it otherwise)

[vk6zgo]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 

They are already moving from groups.io to another forum?

No idea, but I thought the .io was a temporary solution, but from what I've read they can't seem to decide on a more permanent solution, I'm not on any .io forums and probably won't join another forum if they ever set one up, just don't have the time to contribute to yet another forum.

I do read it in exactly the same way as the original TEA thread here, all in one page https://groups.io/g/tea/messages?p=created%2C1%2C%2C1%2C2%2C0%2C0&prev=1

Interesting they have incorrectly reported the death of a TE collector last night;
https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93608144?p=%2C%2C%2C20%2C0%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23Events%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93608144%2Cct%253D1&ct=1
Richard is very much alive and is actually downsizing his collection, I can't comment on .io for obvious reasons;
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193112
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1498727#post1498727

David

Somebody has already made the same point there.

[bsfeechannel]

An interesting difference between the rules here and what you mentioned. SEX, for what I have seen of it in the time I have been on this forum, not a problem, where as the film industry seems to portrait nerds to always be thinking about SEX

Or at least used to. Think of films like "revenge of the nerds" and "weird science" 

The sex clause is there, I presume, because, unlike the EEVBlog, they used to have (don't know if they still do) prominent female users, and they wanted to avoid alienating them.

They address the question more clearly with this rule:

NO GIRLY OR CHEESECAKE PHOTOS:
The TDPRI is a "G" rated forum. And, because this is a largely male dominated forum, "guys being guys" leads to posts containing scantily-clad women from time to time. We don't allow ANY "Hot Chick", "Girly" or "Cheesecake" photos of scantily-clad women -- with guitars or not.

A quite specific list of what not to post about, I must say, but these are indeed subjects that can cause disruption. But some of these have been discussed here at length without a lot of troubles.

I find it particularly difficult to talk about TEA without mentioning Addictions, Mental Health or Bankruptcy, but the point is precisely that the EEVBlog is not too permissive to allow absolutely any kind of discussion and be in ironic need of such strict rules as the TDPRI. It's about right, in my not so humble opinion.

The other point is to try and understand the dynamics of the behavior of jumbled clusters of people as forums are.